All you MMO newbs were warned about F2P. Yet you supported it.

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  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer ChairMember EpicPosts: 7,956
    DMKano said:
    OP - just because there is a patent now - it doesn't mean that this as not been going on for years already.



    Exactly which side are you trying to make a case for here? If you are defending the model, this statement doesn't do a very good job.
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  • gervaise1gervaise1 .Member EpicPosts: 4,443
    DMKano said:
    OP - just because there is a patent now - it doesn't mean that this as not been going on for years already.



    Exactly which side are you trying to make a case for here? If you are defending the model, this statement doesn't do a very good job.
    Side? Just a statement of the obvious. 
    Torval
  • TillerTiller Member RarePosts: 6,230
    edited October 23
    BruceYee said:
    @madazz - Can you give some examples of ftp games you think contributed to the P2W issue.
    Farmville


     Farmville and shitty facebook games is where this practice started gaining more traction. Farmville was not the first, but it was the most successful throw away cash shop game that appealed to a wider audience (boomers, Gen X). John Smedley admitted that he saw the successes of Farmville as a obtainable goal within the mainstream MMO world here in the West. Those early crappy  cash shop MMOs never did well here, it was the random loot crate and time reduction buffs that seemed to appeal to western gamers.
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  • WizardryWizardry Ontario, CanadaMember EpicPosts: 13,175
    Looks like Farmville may have been what inspired Smedley,as he started up the cash shops the very next year.Guess who else comes from Farmville,not telling,people should pay attention.

    Habbo hotel goes way back and makes me sick to think people would actually spend money on such trivial things,but then i see people paying for a new Avatar picture in Hearthstone.Even the very crooked Hunted Cow studios did at least allow players to upload their own picture/Avatar.So Blizzard managed to one up a very crooked operation,where does that put Blizzard in the scheme of fair business practices?

    Naturally and maybe the first,MTG,i am sure everyone knows how tcg's literally steal hundreds...thousands of dollars from their customers and the new wave is selling something you cannot touch>>VIRTUAL items lmao.Imagine that selling basically NOTHING,you NEVER own these virtual items,they are always the property of the developer,funny how that works,they sell you something but your not really buying it,only leasing it.
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  • AmarantharAmaranthar OhioMember UncommonPosts: 2,956
    edited October 23
    Wizardry said:
    Looks like Farmville may have been what inspired Smedley,as he started up the cash shops the very next year.Guess who else comes from Farmville,not telling,people should pay attention.

    Habbo hotel goes way back and makes me sick to think people would actually spend money on such trivial things,but then i see people paying for a new Avatar picture in Hearthstone.Even the very crooked Hunted Cow studios did at least allow players to upload their own picture/Avatar.So Blizzard managed to one up a very crooked operation,where does that put Blizzard in the scheme of fair business practices?

    Naturally and maybe the first,MTG,i am sure everyone knows how tcg's literally steal hundreds...thousands of dollars from their customers and the new wave is selling something you cannot touch>>VIRTUAL items lmao.Imagine that selling basically NOTHING,you NEVER own these virtual items,they are always the property of the developer,funny how that works,they sell you something but your not really buying it,only leasing it.

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  • SomethingUnusualSomethingUnusual Member UncommonPosts: 522
    Something everyone is overlooking here... The companies that produce games will make marketing and sales decisions no matter what anyone's opinion of the matter is. We could cry or support all we want, it never has, nor will make a difference. 

    Warning, or no warning, it was an inevitable market decision that could not have been prevented. 
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  • viddiotviddiot hartford, CTMember UncommonPosts: 10
    Practice restraint, and avoid games that want to rape your wallet. That is key. 
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  • CryomatrixCryomatrix Cambridge, MAMember UncommonPosts: 1,048
    viddiot said:
    Practice restraint, and avoid games that want to rape your wallet. That is key. 
    The women is the true raper of a man's wallet. 
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,435
    viddiot said:
    Practice restraint, and avoid games that want to rape your wallet. That is key. 
    The women is the true raper of a man's wallet. 
    WOW
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  • TillerTiller Member RarePosts: 6,230
    viddiot said:
    Practice restraint, and avoid games that want to rape your wallet. That is key. 
    The women is the true raper of a man's wallet. 
    Stop going to all those strip clubs and bordellos then.

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  • ThebeastttThebeasttt Grah, ALMember RarePosts: 1,064
    F2P does wonders for mediocre MMO's. Hence why no one cared about Black Desert until recently.
    Kyleran
  • thunderCthunderC miami flMember UncommonPosts: 879
    chukekle1 said:
    BooHoo, cry me a river. F2P is going no were and you can cry about it all you want, F2P is the present and the future of MMOs, enjoy

    BruceYeeCecropia
  • thunderCthunderC miami flMember UncommonPosts: 879
    I just want to add some free to plays are done really well like War Thunder and Fishing Planet, two of my favorite games that are more than fair when it comes cash shop. Others not so much though
  • AzothAzoth montreal, QCMember UncommonPosts: 835
    Tiller said:
    viddiot said:
    Practice restraint, and avoid games that want to rape your wallet. That is key. 
    The women is the true raper of a man's wallet. 
    Stop going to all those strip clubs and bordellos then.

    A wife is still more expensive, especially if she gives you kids !
  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Figueira da FozMember EpicPosts: 4,512
    Never supported it, yet sadly as many sub MMO's failed to sustain the sub and went F2P, it was clear they would follow the path that ensures the best profitability, that was as we know, F2P.

    The gamers felt on supporting F2P due the free nature to download and play and that became a standard. It's also what makes mobile games so freaking profitable.
  • DMKanoDMKano Gamercentral, AKMember LegendaryPosts: 17,116
    DMKano said:
    OP - just because there is a patent now - it doesn't mean that this as not been going on for years already.



    Exactly which side are you trying to make a case for here? If you are defending the model, this statement doesn't do a very good job.


    Facts have no sides. They just are.


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  • AllerleirauhAllerleirauh Member UncommonPosts: 324
    viddiot said:
    Practice restraint, and avoid games that want to rape your wallet. That is key. 
    The women is the true raper of a man's wallet. 

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  • SiveriaSiveria Saint John, New BrunswickMember UncommonPosts: 1,308
    Phry said:
    ciely said:
    meanwhile there are p2p games with p2w cash shops, p2w isn't a exclusive to f2p games.
    And there are B2P games that have p2w cash shops that make some F2P cash shops look positively benevolent.
    The problem is that the cash shops with P2W features has become more acceptable, but no matter how much we blame the publishers/developers the real culprits are those who buy such items in the first place, its just supply meeting demand, so no matter how egregious such things become, the only way it is going to stop, is when people stop giving them money to encourage it.
    In korea, pay2win is widely accepted there, pretty much every mmo that comes from that part of the world is pretty much guarnteed to be pay2win. The problem is the west hates that because they feel fair competition is the way to go. Sadly as account numbers show pay2win games make the money as there are always the idiots who feel they need to be #1 in some random crappy mmorpg no one cares about. The ones who will spend thousands a month to do it. Some mobile games go about this in a really shady way.  Second income from the newest server slows down they open a new one, because they know these big spenders have like some NEED to be #1 so alot of them will move to the new server and spend thousands again to be #1, I think the term is called rolling servers or something, its very rampant in korean mmo/mobile games.. mostly the mobile ones.

    If your into mobile games, know this: every single one is pay2win usually pretty badly, this is because the ones that are more fair to free players end up closing. In generally I notice if the game has any sort of "units/characters" with rarity levels, its going to be pretty pay2win and not only in getting the char you want.
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    A. Proven right (if something bad happens)

    or

    B. Pleasantly surprised (if something good happens)

    Either way, you can't lose! Try it out sometime!

  • SiveriaSiveria Saint John, New BrunswickMember UncommonPosts: 1,308
    DjDriVer said:
    Consider this if you will...an example being WoW.  You pat $19 for World of Warcraft, then spend $15/month say for 4 yrs. Let's not forget the expansion every 2 yrs, which usually costs $50.  BAMM! you have just paid $820.00 for a game. go on, drive on down to Walmart and fork out $820.00 for a game, the wife will divorce you, not to mention having to take out a 2nd mortgage on the house to buy the game at that price.  F2p may try to gank you with an item mall, but that is by choice.
    You think its by choice, but in alot of these games if you wanna really enjoy it your going to have to spend probally 50-100 a month minimum for some of them. No f2p game is actually free, its more free to try, then pay out the ass if you wanna enjoy/compete in it. You especally feel this in the mobile game market, alot of them give you a ton of stuff at the start thats normally cash shop, they do this to hook you, once your hooked that stuff gets cut off at a certan point and alot of people that got used to how it was end up tossing money at it. Its actually kinda smart in a way, its like giving a kid a toy then suddendly taking it away until they do something you want them to do, sadly it works even on adults, you just need to change the toy.

    Being a pessimist is a win-win pattern of thinking. If you're a pessimist (I'll admit that I am!) you're either:

    A. Proven right (if something bad happens)

    or

    B. Pleasantly surprised (if something good happens)

    Either way, you can't lose! Try it out sometime!

  • postlarvalpostlarval Member EpicPosts: 1,686
    viddiot said:
    Practice restraint, and avoid games that want to rape your wallet. That is key. 
    The women is the true raper of a man's wallet. 
    It would be grammatically correct to way 'woman' not 'women'. This indicates to me English may not be your first language.

    I ask you to use Google Translate before posting in the future, but I don't think they have a Cro-Magnon to English option yet.
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  • TheocritusTheocritus Gary, INMember RarePosts: 5,425
    Siveria said:
    DjDriVer said:
    Consider this if you will...an example being WoW.  You pat $19 for World of Warcraft, then spend $15/month say for 4 yrs. Let's not forget the expansion every 2 yrs, which usually costs $50.  BAMM! you have just paid $820.00 for a game. go on, drive on down to Walmart and fork out $820.00 for a game, the wife will divorce you, not to mention having to take out a 2nd mortgage on the house to buy the game at that price.  F2p may try to gank you with an item mall, but that is by choice.
    You think its by choice, but in alot of these games if you wanna really enjoy it your going to have to spend probally 50-100 a month minimum for some of them. No f2p game is actually free, its more free to try, then pay out the ass if you wanna enjoy/compete in it. You especally feel this in the mobile game market, alot of them give you a ton of stuff at the start thats normally cash shop, they do this to hook you, once your hooked that stuff gets cut off at a certan point and alot of people that got used to how it was end up tossing money at it. Its actually kinda smart in a way, its like giving a kid a toy then suddendly taking it away until they do something you want them to do, sadly it works even on adults, you just need to change the toy.
    I know many of you claim f2p isn't free, but i am here to tell you that you can play every single one of them for free......Just because you cant doesnt mean everyone cant.
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Nashville, TNMember EpicPosts: 2,974
    SEANMCAD said:
    viddiot said:
    Practice restraint, and avoid games that want to rape your wallet. That is key. 
    The women is the true raper of a man's wallet. 
    WOW
    Lol this response = classic!

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  • PottedPlant22PottedPlant22 Member RarePosts: 722
    It's almost as if companies are out to make money and realize they can do it by exploiting addictive behavior.  *Feigned Shock*
  • Quizar1973Quizar1973 Harold, KYMember UncommonPosts: 140
    DjDriVer said:
    Consider this if you will...an example being WoW.  You pat $19 for World of Warcraft, then spend $15/month say for 4 yrs. Let's not forget the expansion every 2 yrs, which usually costs $50.  BAMM! you have just paid $820.00 for a game. go on, drive on down to Walmart and fork out $820.00 for a game, the wife will divorce you, not to mention having to take out a 2nd mortgage on the house to buy the game at that price.  F2p may try to gank you with an item mall, but that is by choice.
    This is an incredibly bad explanation.

    4 years of being entertained for thousands of hours for only $820 is a steal.

    You pay $40 just to see a movie that lasts measly a hour and half.

    I can pay my $20 for a game and get 8 hours of entertainment in the first day, and then 20+ hours of entertainment for $15 for the rest of the month.





    Damn!!!!   You pay 40 Bucks for a movie....Holy shit I don't pay that much and I buy Popcorn and a drink...LOL
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  • AAAMEOWAAAMEOW New York, NYMember UncommonPosts: 503
    I played korean pay to win game.  ironically the people who actually win are majority non paying player.  They just play the game full time like a job.  The people who play less compete by spending money.
    PhryGdemami
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