Richard Garriott: Classy move or new level of creepy?

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  • GrintchGrintch Tampa, FLMember UncommonPosts: 76
    DMKano said:
    Did anyone actually read this:

    "Portalarium will donate 50% of the net purchase price of this item to the designated charity on a bi-annual basis"

    Yes, they did. What's your point? It should have been 100%.
  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus LondonMember RarePosts: 1,283
    DMKano said:
    Did anyone actually read this:

    "Portalarium will donate 50% of the net purchase price of this item to the designated charity on a bi-annual basis"

    So he's just making 50% profit from his dead mother. Alright, that's 50% less greedy and pathetic. But still greedy and pathetic. 
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  • blorpykinsblorpykins Member UncommonPosts: 294
    He's keeping 50% of the net profit.  And it's a digital asset that they either got for free from Unity or something they created in house - either way, they're able to charge recurring fees for its production costs and inflate to whatever they want.  They're selling the digital asset for 15$ - so whatever they say it costs them to create is what they keep immediately... then, whatever is leftover they keep half of that immediately.  And that remaining 50% of *net profits* remains a vehicle for creating new revenue until they hand nit over and get the tax write-off.


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  • LawlmonsterLawlmonster Member UncommonPosts: 1,044
    Tiamat64 said:
    So how many of the 8 virtues does this break?
    At least three.

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  • NildenNilden Canada, NBMember RarePosts: 2,264
    DMKano said:
    Did anyone actually read this:

    "Portalarium will donate 50% of the net purchase price of this item to the designated charity on a bi-annual basis"

    So he's just making 50% profit from his dead mother. Alright, that's 50% less greedy and pathetic. But still greedy and pathetic. 
    I dunno I would say the fact that they are making money off this at all is 100% greedy and pathetic.

    They could give 100% to charity or just not charge for a memorial in the first place.
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  • Azaron_NightbladeAzaron_Nightblade KingsmouthMember EpicPosts: 4,269
    Aragon100 said:
    DMKano said:
    Did anyone actually read this:

    "Portalarium will donate 50% of the net purchase price of this item to the designated charity on a bi-annual basis"

    So why not donate all the money to charity?
    In all likelihood they can't afford to bear the transaction costs and such themselves. That game isn't exactly doing well.

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  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Chicago, ILMember EpicPosts: 6,003
    Words cannot express... the picture itself resembles a snapshot of hell.  They take half and the other half minus fees go to the charity.  And you have to buy or have property to place it somewhere.  By grabthars hammer... never seen such a thing.

    (NOTE: You will need a Property to place this item in-game.) 

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  • AnirethAnireth Member UncommonPosts: 917
    Aragon100 said:
    DMKano said:
    Did anyone actually read this:

    "Portalarium will donate 50% of the net purchase price of this item to the designated charity on a bi-annual basis"

    So why not donate all the money to charity?
    In all likelihood they can't afford to bear the transaction costs and such themselves. That game isn't exactly doing well.
    But they are already talking about the *net* purchase price, after transaction costs and so. And *still* only donate 50% of that.

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  • postlarvalpostlarval Member EpicPosts: 1,647
    Isn't it nice to see someone turn a dead relative into a revenue generating device? How utterly creative.
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  • esc-joconnoresc-joconnor TokyoMember UncommonPosts: 499
    Unlike the Warner Bros. thing, it is his mother, so do you think she's mind her son getting half of the profits? I'd think not. People ask for donations for the family of the deceased pretty often without it being creepy. And in this case you get something out of it too.
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  • MightyUncleanMightyUnclean Member RarePosts: 1,781
    Unlike the Warner Bros. thing, it is his mother, so do you think she's mind her son getting half of the profits? I'd think not. People ask for donations for the family of the deceased pretty often without it being creepy. And in this case you get something out of it too.

    I guess you aren't the only one who feels that this company is acting ethically.  They're making their money somewhere.
  • ianicusianicus Calgary, ABMember UncommonPosts: 629
    100% or GTFO richard
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  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member EpicPosts: 3,604
    edited October 20
    I think selling his own blood was creepier. Only thing creepier than that were the people actually buying it.
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  • Loke666Loke666 KalmarMember EpicPosts: 20,913
    To me it is just odd. Couldn't he just name an ingame city or Godess after her instead?

    Or just sell some ingame stuff without any specifics to get cash and make an unrelated donation in her name to a charity?

    I wouldn't call it creepy (unlike the blood thing) and it isn't that greedy either since MMO devs often sells stuff and keep 100% of the profit, it is just odd.
  • BruceYeeBruceYee Member RarePosts: 1,054
    edited October 20
    Do you guys remember when he praised Chris Roberts for his fundraising skills?

    He probably saw what WB did and thought he could do the same except WB actually has a decent game and his is a pile of wet garbage.

    If his mother was like him she may not have objected to him doing this or actually maybe even encouraged it?

    Any way you look at it it is sad af
    1. He would do this
    2. His game sucks so bad he has to do this.

    Why is he so bound to that junk game that he has to continue on begging for scraps? It's on a whole nother level of pathetic. SOTA is a terrible mmo and he must know it so why go on? Did the people who threw down tens of thousands threaten to sue him if he abandons the game or something? How much could those few whales possibly be giving him to make any of it worthwhile.
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  • madazzmadazz A town, ONMember UncommonPosts: 1,857
    Wow , the guy is actually trying to profit off of his mother's death. That is some next level degeneracy right there. What a piece of utter garbage.


    This website supported the same thing, but a bit worse a few years ago. A relatively unknown female game journalist had passed away. Her mother, who was uneducated and a house wife wrote a help book about it within 3-4 months to capitalize on her death. The website then put ads EVERYWHERE about it. I witnessed hundreds, if not more complaints about how disgusting it was removed. They deleted each complaint one by one. Either the website couldn't compete with the amount of complaints they had to keep deleting, or the mother finally grew a conscience, as it was taken off after a few days.

    I actually stopped visiting the site because of it for awhile. I was super disappointed they would support something like that.


    Richard Garriott selling a piece of his mothers artwork in game, and donating to her favorite charity really isn't that bad in hind site.
  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,198
    madazz said:
    Wow , the guy is actually trying to profit off of his mother's death. That is some next level degeneracy right there. What a piece of utter garbage.


    This website supported the same thing, but a bit worse a few years ago. A relatively unknown female game journalist had passed away. Her mother, who was uneducated and a house wife wrote a help book about it within 3-4 months to capitalize on her death. The website then put ads EVERYWHERE about it. I witnessed hundreds, if not more complaints about how disgusting it was removed. They deleted each complaint one by one. Either the website couldn't compete with the amount of complaints they had to keep deleting, or the mother finally grew a conscience, as it was taken off after a few days.

    I actually stopped visiting the site because of it for awhile. I was super disappointed they would support something like that.


    Richard Garriott selling a piece of his mothers artwork in game, and donating to her favorite charity really isn't that bad in hind site.
    I don't think you know how advertising on this site works.
    Mmorpg.com has a deal with an add site and they know what adds to put here.
    Every now and then they put up something that upsets people so admin sends a complaint and it get's removed.

    There are no shady shenanigans like you are suggesting.
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  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard La BarreMember EpicPosts: 6,610
    My grandfather was a painter. A quite well-quoted one in Germany.
    My mother sold some of his paintings after he died, that doesn't make her a heartless greedy horrible person. She also has all rights on any copy of the paintings, of course, even digital ones.

    Quick to judge, but not so quick to think...
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  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus LondonMember RarePosts: 1,283
    edited October 20
    My grandfather was a painter. A quite well-quoted one in Germany.
    My mother sold some of his paintings after he died, that doesn't make her a heartless greedy horrible person. She also has all rights on any copy of the paintings, of course, even digital ones.

    Quick to judge, but not so quick to think...
    But that's like the most irrelevant comparison ever done by a human, or anything living. 
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  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard La BarreMember EpicPosts: 6,610
    My grandfather was a painter. A quite well-quoted one in Germany.
    My mother sold some of his paintings after he died, that doesn't make her a heartless greedy horrible person. She also has all rights on any copy of the paintings, of course, even digital ones.

    Quick to judge, but not so quick to think...
    But that's like the most irrelevant comparison ever done by a human, or anything living. 
    It's exactly the same. Selling the artwork of a deceased family member for personal profit.

    What's amusing is that if Garriott had sold the in game item without mentioning any charity, it would have been most likely completely unnoticed.
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  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus LondonMember RarePosts: 1,283
    My grandfather was a painter. A quite well-quoted one in Germany.
    My mother sold some of his paintings after he died, that doesn't make her a heartless greedy horrible person. She also has all rights on any copy of the paintings, of course, even digital ones.

    Quick to judge, but not so quick to think...
    But that's like the most irrelevant comparison ever done by a human, or anything living. 
    It's exactly the same. Selling the artwork of a deceased family member for personal profit.

    What's amusing is that if Garriott had sold the in game item without mentioning any charity, it would have been most likely completely unnoticed.
    There's a difference mate between selling the actual artwork than a digital copy. If he wanted to honor his mother he could've implemented that item in another way in the game, or if he wanted to do charity he could donate all the earnings. He has turned his tragedy into extra profit without losing anything yet put a charity label on it along the way. 

    And yeah, if he hadn't labeled this as charity to honor his mother no one would've said anything. Because everyone's fine about him using his mom's art to make money. The shit part is the marketing spin he has used which doesn't have the spirit of charity nor the honoring his mother part.

    Sorry mate, I just can't see the relevance between your story to this, besides sharing a deceased loved one. 

    Ps. Who was your grandfather anyway? I am well versed in German painters. 
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  • ChildoftheShadowsChildoftheShadows Member UncommonPosts: 84
    I hereby decree that if my children can find profit in my passing, please do so. Just make sure you share it with your siblings and donate at least 50% of it to charity.
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  • EldurianEldurian Member EpicPosts: 1,848
    edited October 20
    He's keeping 50% of the net profit. 

    No, he's keeping 50% of the net purchase price

    Profit = Purchase Price - Expenses

    I highly doubt that expenses total to 50% of the purchase price, and I think it's a valid criticism that he shouldn't be attempting to profit from his mother's death even if it only totals 1% of the purchase price.

    But here you are again being extremely intellectually dishonest, grasping at straws, and even outright fabricating things to smear this man yet again. He done screwed up. No need to lie to try to make it worse.
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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,098
    I'll let you be the judge.  "To mark the recent passing of Richard Garriott’s mother, the team created an in-game Exodus portrait that players can purchase for $15. Some of the proceeds will go to a children’s museum that she supported in her life."                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      http://massivelyop.com/2017/09/18/shroud-of-the-avatar-stuffs-in-more-dragons-preps-for-halloween/#comments












    how can that be remotely 'creepy'?

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  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard La BarreMember EpicPosts: 6,610
    edited October 20
    Eldurian said:
    He's keeping 50% of the net profit. 

    No, he's keeping 50% of the net purchase price

    Profit = Purchase Price - Expenses

    I highly doubt that expenses total to 50% of the purchase price, and I think it's a valid criticism that he shouldn't be attempting to profit from his mother's death even if it only totals 1% of the purchase price.

    But here you are again being extremely intellectually dishonest, grasping at straws, and even outright fabricating things to smear this man yet again. He done screwed up. No need to lie to try to make it worse.
    Actually according to the official site's page...
    https://www.shroudoftheavatar.com/?page_id=51225&open=exodus_by_helen_garriott__digital_

    *Portalarium will donate 50% of the net purchase price of this item to the designated charity on a bi-annual basis. Net purchase price is determined by subtracting any transaction service fees and/or platform service fees from the full purchase price paid by the customer)

    Seems to me that he keeps 50% of the price with the expenses already subtracted, unless I misunderstood this.

    But the Garriott hatred on this forum is strong, so the various reactions aren't really a surprise.
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