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Black Desert Online PvP server is MORE proof that PvPers are a very niche group
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Lots of PvPers complained about karma in BDO. However, like many sandbox forced PvP MMOs (except EVE, but that is because it has lots of safe areas and tons of PvE content)...the PvP server they opened is dead. Sure PvP happens on the BDO PvP server, but its by far the lowest popular server in the game.
Even EVE, a well known PvP game. Its been proven however, and I experienced it myself, that Nullsec is the safest space you can go in...because almost no one there. Everyone is in high-sec mostly, and then another group in low-sec.
However look at Shadowbane, Mortal Online, Darkfall and many other PvP games. They are all niche MMOs. Now look at all the MMOs with vast PvE content or PvE only...far more success. The other group that sees success is casual PvP like in the PvP WoW servers, they are pretty populated. However, full loot PvP is definitely a niche genre of MMOs.
BDO PvP server is more proof that most people just want to PvE without being harrassed by PvPers. PvPers asked for a no karma server, and yet barely anyone there compared to other servers. In fact, at non-peak times its SAFER on the PvP server because barely anyone on it.
Even EVE, a well known PvP game. Its been proven however, and I experienced it myself, that Nullsec is the safest space you can go in...because almost no one there. Everyone is in high-sec mostly, and then another group in low-sec.
However look at Shadowbane, Mortal Online, Darkfall and many other PvP games. They are all niche MMOs. Now look at all the MMOs with vast PvE content or PvE only...far more success. The other group that sees success is casual PvP like in the PvP WoW servers, they are pretty populated. However, full loot PvP is definitely a niche genre of MMOs.
BDO PvP server is more proof that most people just want to PvE without being harrassed by PvPers. PvPers asked for a no karma server, and yet barely anyone there compared to other servers. In fact, at non-peak times its SAFER on the PvP server because barely anyone on it.
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In BDO...barely anything happens lol. And PvP death is really rare, despite what some people said. I've been killed once on normal servers and not at all on the PvP server thus far since everywhere I go has been empty. But only go there non-peak so that could be why. Still, even non-peak normal servers are far deadlier and more active than the PvP server.
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However, that the MMORPG open PvP market is comparatively niche doesn't change that there is a shortage of games that provide it.
That condition will change somewhat as more such titles are on the way in the not too distant future. Whether the niche is large enough to support all those games, who can say.
But, at least for a time, those looking for that kind of play won't be quite so starved for options.
I'm not knocking it. The e-sport players will only play it until the next game comes out.
The only way open world PvP will work is if the game was designed where the player needs to search it out and not be jumped all the time....... Vanilla WoW !
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There are tons to do in PVE and very little in PVP, sure you have nodewars which imo is pretty pointless and you have the random ganking, thats about it.
Add in the fact most PVPers wrote this one off long ago there's no surprise here.
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Its just a channel to hop on from time to time and have fun pvping with out having to worry about losing anything.
PVP is a huge part of BD and its one of the reasons the game is so successful today.
The archeage system was a joke, credit card pvp won the day. The streamer Kooncoon proved that.
Pvp in a mmorpg is a niche thing that a few people wax poetic about how good it was back in the day. I think people remember the new mmorpg's that were hitting the scene back in the day and gloss over all the failings.
Pvp found its spot in MOBA's and games like that.
What is full pvp?
PK must be put in check and heavy punish for this behavior because it mostly 1 side assault .
Now I will say that PVE is more important than PVP but if they were to open up a non PVP server I know that I would not move there.
As a matter of fact I am not going to play any mmo that does not have PVP in it.
I come from games like Lineage, Aion, Perfect World and Rappelz.
Eastern mmos will always have a huge focus on PVP and that will not change and we eastern mmo players do not want it to.
Bless Online please hurry!
I can not even think of a popular mmo out right now that does not have PVP.
Also look at the top games on Twitch, they are all PVP games, PVP games are VERY popular. I really think you got it all wrong when you say PVP players are a niche group, the reality is that PVE MMO players are the niche group in gaming, and the real reason you don't see more PVP in MMOs, is because most companies don't put a lot of effort into that area of the game.
Also, the examples you gave were all 5-8 year old shitty indie games, pretty poor choices to back up your argument.
I really think you need to think over your posts more, instead of trying to present your anecdotal experiences as some kind of fact.
You nailed it when you said there is a lot of interest but it just has not been done right in a long time.
If your contention was true the MMORPG market would reflect it.
That the interest in PvP-focused MMORPGs is quite vocal is due to the shortage of games that address that market, not because it outweighs the PvE market.
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That crowd has now shifted to the FPS flavor of the month games that keep rolling out. The ones with 15-30 minute 'games' that feed the already ADD rattled brains of most gamers.
Basically any game where you drop down on some island somewhere and have x amount of time to gear up and try and survive. But generally only last a few minutes before you get killed by someone you dont even see.
But the rise of these games shows why PvP in MMOs was never really a good fit, because most 'traditional' mmo players are used to spending time in games they enjoy. Once 'faction pride' left MMos and any 'reward' for winning at PvP in an mmo then PvP became little more than another time sync ad since most of these PvP guys feel some need to 'win' at something PvP was dead.
Obviously open PvP is niche. It's why most games that have open PvP have smaller playerbases, but they are usually incredibly active and those people usually stay in the game they like. But I know a majority of my friends (not including me I love open PvP and full loot) wouldn't touch a game with open PvP past a WoW PvP server. That's just because they don't have the same mentality as some of the hardcore PvP players who will literally camp someone for 24 hours because it's funny to make someone not able to level.
Then you are in for a very long wait with that wonder PVP game of yours, It will never happen, players enjoy different aspect in PVP, you can't implent ALL aspects in the same game and It magical works for everyone, It's like that dream MMO everyone dreams about that you will play for years, It's just that, a dream, so I say again, good luck.