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Yep, a true journalistic masterpiece.
Have fun
A creative person is motivated by the desire to achieve, not the desire to beat others.
There have been others that are critical of Star Citizen. I may not share their opinion, but at least they did a good job in putting together their articles and the stories from various sides.
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That was weird to read, it starts normally then it derails, the author should look at how proper media outlets reported the same thing and take some lessons on journalism.
Some quotes there showing the sided writing as "assuming no “critical” bugs in the venue’s foundations crop up that cause the building to collapse." and the writing in the first person "I" and "I Think".
One pretty big miss at fact-checking: "Compared to last week’s chart, a total of seven bugs were resolved". Look at the graph, 45 issues were resolved, and 32 were created. That's a NET difference of 13. The info graphic with the data is literally right above that line!
Unproper reporting, but who cares, they're a small website that gets a decent amount of attention when they post stuff as this on SC.
All true but then you have the big websites who also push a narrative or also make amateur mistakes, the most common one being 1.8 million backers, clearly not doing their due diligence either. Gamestar, PCGamer, Dualshockers, Polygon, Eurogamer and more are all guilty of this.
Btw, burn down schedules can be useful tools assuming the team has a very solid understanding of what factors determine and impact the burn rate itself and can adjust accordingly.
Let's see how it goes the rest of the year
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No conspiracies needed, they admit to the problems they are facing and describe them, you'll see notes as the performance one of the biggest things to resolve: "Player Count & General Stability Currently, performance and stability drop sharply once the active players in a server reach 12-15 players."
"The bottom line is, CIG needs to start delivering and this 3.0 update completed as fast as possible and out to backers."
That really is the bottom line. Despite horrible grammatical errors this really is a big deal. As a project matures, the expectation should be that estimates get better. Without even entertaining the hilariousness of people asking about the 2014 release date, what is ACTUALLY troubling on this project is major project setbacks when working with short deadlines. As a project progresses, we should actually get better at estimating dates, major technical risks should be lessened, and there should be more confidence. Furthermore, it should be relatively easy for me to tell you what I will be delivering to you next week. So what's more troubling than the 2014 release date is the current scheduling gaffs, like telling users multiple times that X is weeks away and then having it slip for weeks or months. Then again, could they get away with releasing something shitty or buggy? Sometimes it's just better to release what you have and apologize for it and patch the fuck out of it. In this case, I don't know. I feel like they need to have everything be polished. Tough call, but the original statement isn't untrue.
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Actually, no, they can, but they will not, as they do not want to admit it is a problem.
So when anything is said that is negative, but true, they attack how it is said, and who it is saying it, instead of what is said.
A creative person is motivated by the desire to achieve, not the desire to beat others.
You have an issue with his opinionon the situation. He didn't leave out CIG's statements on the changes here. So sorry, but Excession's assessment seems accurate.
They are reporting, they are explaining the issues, they are going as far as posting weekly changelogs in that production report.
It's obvious there's a high expectation, so no surprise they are playing defensive because there's no way they don't know they can't afford to give on 3.0 to the backers with the stability and performance of 2.0.
The pressure to deliver will accumulate with the pressure of the expectation that lies on that release, rush it independent of its state would have worse consequences than the backlash they get from delays.
The delay's are not what is disappointing, delay's in game dev, especially MMO related games, are par for the course, what is disappointing is how mismanaged SC is.
And before you post denying it is mismanaged, do everyone a favour, just dont.
How many time's does CR need to state something will be ready and released by a certain date, only to have that something prove to be no where near ready, before you admit he is the poster child for mismanagement?
A creative person is motivated by the desire to achieve, not the desire to beat others.
You are posting YOUR OPINION, don't come enforce it as facts I need to accept because they are not, we are talking about the schedule itself, not CR, as this is about the production report itself, reporting what is ongoing with the production for the 3.0 build and its status since it was published.
I anticipated a long development period for the PU. But for the single player, story driven aspect of the game i believe that almost 5 years of development are more than enough to deliver a finished product no matter how much you're about to push the technical boundaries.
Let's hope that CitizenCon in October will bear some good news for SQ42. And for me good news regarding SQ42 qualify only the ones designating a release date.
Look, I'm hoping they pull this game off because it looks (on paper) like it would be awesome to play. However, there are some physical realities that aren't going to change no matter how much pie-in-the-sky CR & Co push out to the masses; there is only so much fiber-optic cable in the ground: depending on how much data each character occupies, you may not see much more than 20 per instance in the final product.
I was waved away last time with 'but... Dual Universe and Life is Feudal!'. That's great, but... neither of those are really in a released state, either (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)?
The point is, from my limited understanding when designing a MMO you should be thinking about the network from the very beginning, not 5 years in when suddenly your creative director decides 'by the way we need to make all of this scale'.
Here's hoping CIG has some real magic up their sleeves.
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Of course that would prevent them from lying through their teeth about the actual progress, so there is that...
No I definitely don't think they could afford to have a dejavu 2.0 with 3.0.
I could care less if it took until 2020, myself, but I doubt that others who are more significantly invested would be so forgiving.
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It would incredibly costly in resources, in live-ops, in the developers themselves to get builds out to the backers; the QA themselves that tests those builds have to run them via command lines, like when the 3.0 build had no UI until they implemented the new one. Even when gamestar had hands-on a 3.0 build, they had to use the command line to teleport because the elevators were broken, by no logical thinking should they ever give those builds to the players.
That argument of yours is a non-argument.
CR is the boss, he is in charge, of everything.
There are plenty of statements around the web from various people that have worked with him, that talk about how he likes to micromanage everything, has to have the last say about everything, has to have final approval of everything.
You say it is not about CR, but about the schedule itself.
Do you think the tea lady suddenly decided to write a schedule, set deadlines for dev work, and publish a public version of that schedule?
Of course not, CR set the deadlines, CR gave the go ahead for the schedule to be made public, CR is responsible for all of it.
That includes the missed deadlines, delays, and mismanagement.
A creative person is motivated by the desire to achieve, not the desire to beat others.
The problem I think is, that they started fully focused in the SP Campaign, things like netcode and so forth were never properly undertaken early on and MMO-specific development started to be the focus after the 2.0 release during 2016.
And chances are if the head honcho is fucking up the management of the project that badly then it's going to trickle down into other aspects.
Not surprisingly CR is making the same mistakes he did with his last game studio only this time the fans get to foot the bill of his fuckups. Maybe CR was so anti publisher because he knew no publisher would give him money since he's such a liability and so created the rhetoric that publishers are evil!!
It's frustrating but end of the day it's just what it is, we can be disappointed on the time it takes but the way I see it would be worse if they just throw it out to the backers in the state of 2.0 by giving in to the pressure to deliver.
I'm just proving your points in your imagination. Again, you are speculating and throwing opinions.
You are delusional if you think it is CR who is making the internal estimates for the work that is scoped out per feature in-dev and not the producers (being that their job y'know). lol
If I keep missing my estimates and delaying everyone you can be damn sure my boss is going to be coming to me to figure out what the hell is going on.
In a different thread around the same time you linked to a nebulous picture which seemed to imply CIG was doing something with grid computing (an idea that has been around since the early 90's). I'm assuming this is what you mean by "a working network setup as we talked before".
To my knowledge, most MMORPGs do something like this; if you have more players going to a certain area, you devote more computing resources to that area.
This doesn't necessarily solve the network issue; if each character takes up too much data (i.e. everything from 'I am carrying an assault rifle with 12 bullets' to 'my right arm is damaged')... there are different ways of tackling this, but it often leaves things open to hacking or stability issues, the latter of which it seems CIG is running into.
...in other words, you have faith that CIG are going to solve this problem, and I the skeptic am saying some of the best minds in gaming have tackled this problem over the past decades and certain sacrifices have to be made. That's the problem as I see it; CR doesn't jibe well with sacrifice, which is how you end up with a game stuck in development hell.
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Authored 139 missions in Vendetta Online and 6 tracks in Distance