The Statesman in MXM is a Disservice to City of Heroes Fans - Bill Murphy at MMORPG.com

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imageThe Statesman in MXM is a Disservice to City of Heroes Fans - Bill Murphy at MMORPG.com

I’m sure it came with noble intentions. NCSOFT knows how much hurt is still felt by the too-soon closure of Cryptic/Paragon’s City of Heroes. So when they saw a chance to bring a beloved character from that IP into their upcoming all-star MOBA, they probably leapt at the idea. “We can make those fans happy!” they said. “We can make this game appealing in the West at the same time!” they exclaimed. But that’s not quite how it’s being seen by the community.

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  • ScotScot UKMember RarePosts: 6,528
    I really doubt this is a sign that NCSOFT are bringing back any sort of CoH MMO, that's Bill the fan talking.

    There are 3/4 indie CoH projects on the go? I hope they are not all 'MMO like', the fans want to all be in one game, that way it will be a success. I am a fan myself but never follow these things until launch, that way very little poisoned broth of disappointment is consumed.

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  • KyleranKyleran Paradise City, FLMember LegendaryPosts: 26,673
    edited March 22
    I guess this is why they haven't sold off the original game/franchise. ;)
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  • GazimoffGazimoff Staff Writer LondonMember UncommonPosts: 183
    I never played the original MMO, but I knew many who have great memories of their time in-game. This seems to be in poor taste.
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  • cheyanecheyane EarthMember EpicPosts: 4,866
    When they shut City of Heroes/Villains down they angered a lot of people . It would have been better if they had simply let sleeping dogs lie. Doing something like this will enrage the fans of this game and bring back all the memories and make them inclined to cause more bad remarks and outrage. Was it worth it I have to ask?
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  • BanegrivmBanegrivm Mechanicsburg, PAMember UncommonPosts: 234
    Here is the thing about the CoH shutdown. It was still profitable. Yes that's right. They shut down a game that was still, BY THEIR OWN ADMISSION, making them money. Now what kind of business man throws away free money? Seriously. The reason for the shut down of the game was because it's profit margins slipped 3 percent. Yes, 3 whopping percent. So when they saw that they just decided to shut it down declaring it dead, yes for a whole 3 percent. What they did and how they handled it was a big slap in the face to everyone who had played or was playing. Now they pull this? Salt in an open wound. Very poor taste. The only way this wouldn't be such a thing is if they were planning on bringing back CoH. Last I heard there was a dev studio that was talking about buying it. I think that might have been the team working on City of Titans if I recall correctly.

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  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member EpicPosts: 7,600
    Smart play from their side, wonder if it will miss the mark and just upset CoH fans over warming their hearts.



  • WellspringWellspring Charlotte, NCMember RarePosts: 470
    Would we even be talking about MXM right now if it wasn't for them adding the Statesman to the game? Sounds like their PR stunt is working...
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  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAMember LegendaryPosts: 23,082
    edited March 22
    Banegrivm said:
    Here is the thing about the CoH shutdown. It was still profitable. Yes that's right. They shut down a game that was still, BY THEIR OWN ADMISSION, making them money. Now what kind of business man throws away free money? Seriously. The reason for the shut down of the game was because it's profit margins slipped 3 percent. Yes, 3 whopping percent. So when they saw that they just decided to shut it down declaring it dead, yes for a whole 3 percent. What they did and how they handled it was a big slap in the face to everyone who had played or was playing. Now they pull this? Salt in an open wound. Very poor taste. The only way this wouldn't be such a thing is if they were planning on bringing back CoH. Last I heard there was a dev studio that was talking about buying it. I think that might have been the team working on City of Titans if I recall correctly.
    You must not work for a large company.

    3% is a big deal when they most likely needed "more percent".

    It's not enough for something to be profitable it must meet their targets/predictions. If they don't meet their targets overall for the year then that could be bad for the stock price.

    Additionally, a company spends "x amount of dollars" for a project/product and expects/needs to get "x amount of dollars" in return for that money spent. If a project/product is not making what they need it to make and they can take the same amount of money and make more on something else then that's what they are going to spend it on.

    Now, on topic, I don't think they should have used this character and its clear they are a bit out of touch with their fan base.
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  • JakeSimJakeSim Franklin, MAMember UncommonPosts: 798
    edited March 22
    Honestly who cares? It allows people to play a character they once loved or possibly still do love. Why does it automatically have to mean it's a disservice? Honestly I love that they added him he'll probably be my main character. This made me even more hyped for this game. People shouldn't be so sensitive to these kind of things. Have fun with it
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  • dotdotdashdotdotdash Llandrindod WellsMember UncommonPosts: 455
    edited March 22
    You mean like how the Lost Vikings being in Heroes was a disservice to Lost Vikings fans?
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    It's a tribute. They know that there are fans of Cities out there, who this will have traction with. That draws players into their new moba through franchise association. It's not different to, for example, Kingdom Hearts or the many, many, many franchised fighting games that use long-dead or underused comic book villains and heroes to generate buzz. Cities fans should be pleased they are being recognised with this, that NCSoft think it valuable enough to warrant this, rather than seeing it as a poke in the eye cause you don't have an MMO.
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  • LeiloniLeiloni PhiladelphiaMember RarePosts: 1,093


    Would we even be talking about MXM right now if it wasn't for them adding the Statesman to the game? Sounds like their PR stunt is working...



    Yes because it has tons of other characters that the rest of us care about and it's supposedly a good game. I couldn't care less about this CoH character. This game has already been talked about a lot honestly.
  • LeiloniLeiloni PhiladelphiaMember RarePosts: 1,093

    Sovrath said:


    Banegrivm said:

    Here is the thing about the CoH shutdown. It was still profitable. Yes that's right. They shut down a game that was still, BY THEIR OWN ADMISSION, making them money. Now what kind of business man throws away free money? Seriously. The reason for the shut down of the game was because it's profit margins slipped 3 percent. Yes, 3 whopping percent. So when they saw that they just decided to shut it down declaring it dead, yes for a whole 3 percent. What they did and how they handled it was a big slap in the face to everyone who had played or was playing. Now they pull this? Salt in an open wound. Very poor taste. The only way this wouldn't be such a thing is if they were planning on bringing back CoH. Last I heard there was a dev studio that was talking about buying it. I think that might have been the team working on City of Titans if I recall correctly.


    You must not work for a large company.

    3% is a big deal when they most likely needed "more percent".

    It's not enough for something to be profitable it must meet their targets/predictions. If they don't meet their targets overall for the year then that could be bad for the stock price.

    Additionally, a company spends "x amount of dollars" for a project/product and expects/needs to get "x amount of dollars" in return for that money spent. If a project/product is not making what they need it to make and they can take the same amount of money and make more on something else then that's what they are going to spend it on.




    Agreed. Also in general CoH fans talk about this game constantly. This dead horse has been beaten to a pulp and just needs to be left alone. It's just a game people. It's time to move on. You'll feel a lot better if you do.

  • IceAgeIceAge SomeWhere In .. RomaniaMember RarePosts: 1,688
    Bunch of QQ'ers . CoH was shut down because was doing very bad. The ones who believe otherwise , have no sense of management, which .. it's kinda understandable if they still hate on NcSoft.

    However, adding a CoH char into MXM it's awesome. Stop hating. You will still not play MXM with or without Statesman , so why hate on something which you are not interested in the first place ?!

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  • AlverantAlverant Wheaton, ILMember RarePosts: 916
    Don't fool yourself, Bill. This isn't about being nice to the CoH fans. It's about using an IP they own for legal purposes. It's not a tribute, it's a checkmark.
  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAMember LegendaryPosts: 23,082
    You mean like how the Lost Vikings being in Heroes was a disservice to Lost Vikings fans?
    ...

    It's a tribute. They know that there are fans of Cities out there, who this will have traction with. That draws players into their new moba through franchise association. It's not different to, for example, Kingdom Hearts or the many, many, many franchised fighting games that use long-dead or underused comic book villains and heroes to generate buzz. Cities fans should be pleased they are being recognised with this, that NCSoft think it valuable enough to warrant this, rather than seeing it as a poke in the eye cause you don't have an MMO.
    Well, let's put it this way, it depends on how the larger portion of City of Heroes fans feel about the game closing.

    I mean, this is clearly going to predominately speak to City of Heroes fans. So if the majority of them are "ok" and look at this as a bit of an homage, then you are most likely correct. If the majority of them are still annoyed at the game's closing then this might backfire.

    And clearly one just can't tell from forum posts as the most die hard fans are going to be posting on forums over the larger portion of the City of Heroes player base.



  • KeladorKelador Member UncommonPosts: 80
    edited March 22

    IceAge said:

    Bunch of QQ'ers . CoH was shut down because was doing very bad. The ones who believe otherwise , have no sense of management, which .. it's kinda understandable if they still hate on NcSoft.



    However, adding a CoH char into MXM it's awesome. Stop hating. You will still not play MXM with or without Statesman , so why hate on something which you are not interested in the first place ?!



    Actually thanks to a bitter employee at the time of the closure of COH and Paragon Studio's they posted up financial figures and projections which showed since the game had gone F2P like 12 months before its closure it was making money and was increasing profits each month at a steady pace, NCSoft even gave said the reason for closing the game was not Financial and was due to the game not fitting in with the direction they was taking the company.

    In the long run this doesn't really effect me I guess I hate MOBA's and hate the trend of every company out there pushing out their own MOBA.... these games are just cash grabs.
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  • WarlyxWarlyx UnknowMember RarePosts: 2,385
    edited March 22


    You mean like how the Lost Vikings being in Heroes was a disservice to Lost Vikings fans?

    ...


    It's a tribute. They know that there are fans of Cities out there, who this will have traction with. That draws players into their new moba through franchise association. It's not different to, for example, Kingdom Hearts or the many, many, many franchised fighting games that use long-dead or underused comic book villains and heroes to generate buzz. Cities fans should be pleased they are being recognised with this, that NCSoft think it valuable enough to warrant this, rather than seeing it as a poke in the eye cause you don't have an MMO.



    i can play Lost vikings now ....awesome game! , but i cant play COH/COV :(

    and yeah it feels like "a slap in the face" , and to me like a cruel joke ,different ppl different feelings i guess Ncsoft can do whatever they want...bringing back Statesman sure go ahead add more if u think players want that...
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 14,804
    I don't think it was with the best intentions BIll. I think it was done with a healthy dose of thoughtlessness motivated by upper management wanting better buzz around their moba.

    I think it will backfire with the core fanbase. It's still too soon to call it a tribute. It's a marketing move pure and simple. MxM may be fun-ish, but so are the dozen or so other mobas. Do moba players care about mxm? I doubt it. Is the game even ever mentioned in general gaming threads?
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  • Dreamo84Dreamo84 Niagara Falls, NYMember UncommonPosts: 3,710
    I think it's pretty awesome to bring back Statesman like that.

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  • LucienReneLucienRene Dallas, TXMember UncommonPosts: 73
    I played COH from beta. I had one max level character and a truck load of alts. I played pretty regularly for about a year, year and a half. Bought the COX expansion. Stopped subbing when my daughter lost interest (outgrew). I don't consider myself a fan boy. At all. I don't care that NCSoft is exploiting their intellectual property.

    I also think, that if you didn't support the game with your wallet, but now want to call this a disservice, you might want to look in the mirror. That's what I call fake outrage. You didn't care enough to pay, just enough to complain when it means nothing.

    In regards to the game being shut down, and whether or not it was making money, look at the bigger picture. How long did NCSoft carry what was for years, an unprofitable game? Remember, Paragon Studios was developing other game(s?) toward the end. If I were NCSoft, I would have pulled the plug too. Throwing good money after bad is how you get a vote of no confidence in a publicly traded company.
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    I was a huge fan of COH ... and would pay money to play again, be it the old or a new version. I Hate playing MOBAs, it is not an MMO it is a competitive game and goes against what an MMO is.
    I think of this as a slap in the face by NCSoft to do this to the fans of the game, but till COH Comes back or they give the IP to someone who will use it ... You will not see a dime from me.
  • GladDogGladDog Pottstown, PAMember RarePosts: 845
    This whole thing is not about gaining popularity with former CoH fans.  Adding Statesman (& I bet he is the first of many CoH NPCs that will be added) was merely a warning to the CoH successor projects to watch how close they get to THEIR IP.  Because NCsoft STILL OWNS that IP, even if they really have nothing much they want to do with it.

    As far as myself, a stalwart CoH fan goes, not sure whether my red face is from anger or the slap in the face...


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  • NycteliosNyctelios Novo Hamburgo - RS - BrazilMember EpicPosts: 2,248
    As much I understand (and partially agree with) the bitterness of the fanbase this is just over reaction - they have all the right to it, though - still over reaction.

    To me this is similar to someone screaming to the cashier about a spoiled fruit from the market; You are not wrong by talking to one employee that represents the company... But you are not right either. And it all comes to the intention of it: Maybe with the right words to the right people the company could hear that fans want that experience back? (I sincerely don't know, never played that game), but I don't think this kind of reaction to something will help anyone with anything.

    For example, I want Blackthorne dude on HotS, as a tribute. The same way someone pointed out the existence of the forgotten Lost Vikings on it (but remember they can also be found in World of Warcraft).

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  • NildenNilden Canada, NBMember RarePosts: 2,266
    Sovrath said:
    Banegrivm said:
    Here is the thing about the CoH shutdown. It was still profitable. Yes that's right. They shut down a game that was still, BY THEIR OWN ADMISSION, making them money. Now what kind of business man throws away free money? Seriously. The reason for the shut down of the game was because it's profit margins slipped 3 percent. Yes, 3 whopping percent. So when they saw that they just decided to shut it down declaring it dead, yes for a whole 3 percent. What they did and how they handled it was a big slap in the face to everyone who had played or was playing. Now they pull this? Salt in an open wound. Very poor taste. The only way this wouldn't be such a thing is if they were planning on bringing back CoH. Last I heard there was a dev studio that was talking about buying it. I think that might have been the team working on City of Titans if I recall correctly.
    You must not work for a large company.

    3% is a big deal when they most likely needed "more percent".

    It's not enough for something to be profitable it must meet their targets/predictions. If they don't meet their targets overall for the year then that could be bad for the stock price.

    Additionally, a company spends "x amount of dollars" for a project/product and expects/needs to get "x amount of dollars" in return for that money spent. If a project/product is not making what they need it to make and they can take the same amount of money and make more on something else then that's what they are going to spend it on.

    Now, on topic, I don't think they should have used this character and its clear they are a bit out of touch with their fan base.
    Kinda curious considering Wildstar is still running and made 1/3rd what City of Heroes did at shutdown on the last NCSoft financial report.

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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 14,804
    No, it's not an overreaction. An overreaction would require an absurd over the top response. There hasn't been any response yet other than personal distaste.

    It's not like finding a bad piece of fruit. It's a ridiculous analogy.

    It's the typical reaction of a customer base when a company does something thoughtless and inconsiderate to that base or a portion of. They thought it would be a great marketing tie-in. Blizzard does it with their characters, why not use iconic NCSoft characters in their game?

    Why was it a stupid idea for NCSoft to do this? Because it's a reminder that a game that didn't absolutely need closing was closed despite the outcry from the core fanbase. Now they expect that fanbase to embrace some cheap knock off moba? How dense of them.
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