40k is a lot of money . People expect something in return.
Let us know when you put down 40k and expect, to be just another player..
And that's fine, but I hope this minority enjoys sitting around playing with themselves as I personally have zero interest in supporting such a game and I imagine I'm not alone in feeling this way.
Took the words right out of my mouth, this level of absurdity is astounding.
I've seen this thread on the forum, and he has QUITE CLEARLY stated on there that it was a subject for discussion. He has also stated in a later post that he has no plans to allow players to log in under GM accounts. It's very easy to read half a discussion thread, without looking at clarifications or outcomes.
As such, your posting risks LEGAL PROCEEDINGS. If you're planning to help fund the game this is not the way to go about it...
Unlike many boring MMO clones out there, SBS are making something completely new. The world is intended to be completely "fair" to all players, but by no means to they promote equality. If you work your way up the ranks, you WILL be more powerful and influential than those around you. There are risks and there are rewards. The world is dynamic. You will age, have children and an inheritance. There are NPCs too, and up to 100k players. Guesses around the size of the world suggest anything in the range of 512 "2/3 skyrim sized counties", but we'll have to wait and see. There will be finite resources, and recycling. There will be contract systems and the ability to maintain law, but also the opportunity to break it and face the consequences when you're caught. There will be player built houses, settlements, exploration, adventure and more. It's no surprise then that they actively keep the community informed and if they discover shortcomings and issues, they work around them to develop another solution. It's currently looking very interesting.
I should also point out that CoE is not pay to win.
Firstly: Following launch, there will be NO STORE or legal financial means to get a leg up in the world.
Secondly: The only options for additional funding BEFORE launch are to change your "Starting Station", goods etc in society. They have confirmed COUNTLESS times that if you for example back as a king, there is NOTHING to prevent a duke from one day ousting you and taking over your kingdom. There are many routes to power in CoE, and your starting position by NO MEANS guarantees your long term success.
Personally I'd be very careful about pasting misleading or false information about titles around - it wouldn't be the first time a publisher has sued.
I should also point out that CoE is not pay to win.
Firstly: Following launch, there will be NO STORE or legal financial means to get a leg up in the world.
Secondly: The only options for additional funding BEFORE launch are to change your "Starting Station", goods etc in society. They have confirmed COUNTLESS times that if you for example back as a king, there is NOTHING to prevent a duke from one day ousting you and taking over your kingdom. There are many routes to power in CoE, and your starting position by NO MEANS guarantees your long term success.
Personally I'd be very careful about pasting misleading or false information about titles around - it wouldn't be the first time a publisher has sued.
I don't think your tactic is one that most people are receptive to. I must point out that so far the critics here have mostly talked about the game, while the COE community has resorted to personal attacks, cursing, and now threatening legal action about posts...
That said I am ALWAYS willing to correct anything I might say that is inaccurate. Please point me to exactly what i said that was incorrect (and why) and I will be happy to look at it and change it if needed. I offered the same to your CEO but so far have not heard back. Always willing to listen!
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Looking at the inaccuracies and misquotes in this thread I can only assume the posters are some sad fan-boys of a failing MMO, which CoE will most likely be the nail in the coffin for.
I should also point out that CoE is not pay to win.
Firstly: Following launch, there will be NO STORE or legal financial means to get a leg up in the world.
Secondly: The only options for additional funding BEFORE launch are to change your "Starting Station", goods etc in society. They have confirmed COUNTLESS times that if you for example back as a king, there is NOTHING to prevent a duke from one day ousting you and taking over your kingdom. There are many routes to power in CoE, and your starting position by NO MEANS guarantees your long term success.
Personally I'd be very careful about pasting misleading or false information about titles around - it wouldn't be the first time a publisher has sued.
I don't think your tactic is one that most people are receptive to. I must point out that so far the critics here have mostly talked about the game, while the COE community has resorted to personal attacks, cursing, and now threatening legal action about posts...
That said I am ALWAYS willing to correct anything I might say that is inaccurate. Please point me to exactly what i said that was incorrect (and why) and I will be happy to look at it and change it if needed. I offered the same to your CEO but so far have not heard back. Always willing to listen!
You post garbage, misleading quotes and inaccuracies and talk to me of tactics people are receptive to? What planet are you on? Posting misleading information and stupidity does not equate to "talking about the game". It just makes you look like a troll, a conclusion anyone who has looked into the game seriously has probably long since reached. In regards to legal action, pick up your bottom lip and deal with anything that needs correcting. Otherwise, that's your problem.
But let's look on the bright side - the more the game is talked about and the more disagreement there is, the more people will look into it themselves. The bottom line will most likely be more backers, and whatever failed MMO you're trying to prop up yourself will fail.
In regards to pointing out what you've said that was inaccurate, start by scrolling up and reading the post you just replied to. Yeah I'm listening to you too...... As for their CEO replying to you, personally I don't think he should bother giving you the time of day. He has more important things and people to deal with. Expecting every game company's CEO to spend their time pandering to over demanding community members it just silly. If you're that attention starved, you need to take it up with your parents.
Even if this game ever does eventually get made, it won't be with any of my money.
Even worse than being able to spend big bucks and buy kingdoms and "position" and goods before launch, is the admission from the CEO that they would fully allow RMT transactions between players, which would result in AFK scripted gold farmers everywhere that company will refuse to remove.
Gold farmers/sellers have gone a long way to ruin games when companies would step in to stop them, but to explicitly allow RMT and gold farmers? No thank you.
Perhaps this game should be released in S.Korea instead of the West, they actually like RMT games there....
Oh you want specifics. Ok.. looking at your title which was "Discussion / Developer has no objection to allowing high donating players have GM accounts. Not P2W... LOL"...
Firstly, as he clarified on his thread, he is not planning for backers to buy GM accounts, so that sentence is wrong.
Secondly, the game isn't P2W.
That said, I don't see anything in your title that's actually right, leading me to believe you're just an idiot trolling.
Oh you want specifics. Ok.. looking at your title which was "Discussion / Developer has no objection to allowing high donating players have GM accounts. Not P2W... LOL"...
Firstly, as he clarified on his thread, he is not planning for backers to buy GM accounts, so that sentence is wrong.
Secondly, the game isn't P2W.
That said, I don't see anything in your title that's actually right, leading me to believe you're just an idiot trolling.
Actually those were his very words as listed in the OP:
Caspien " While I have no plan to do so... I have no objection to allowing the highly influential players to log off of their primary accounts and log in under a GM account to RP a Vice/Virtue."
Please see my post halfway down page 3 where I discuss this with Caspien, acknowledge that he said he has no CURRENT plans to do so and ask him to rule it our unequivocally in the future.
Keep on with the personal insults. I personally don't think it helps your argument at all, but I do think it gives a great look at your community.
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Looking at the inaccuracies and misquotes in this thread I can only assume the posters are some sad fan-boys of a failing MMO, which CoE will most likely be the nail in the coffin for.
Not at all, "haters" usually give every new game the same treatment.
Very likely they don't strongly support any MMORPG, allows them to be "fair and balanced" towards everyone.
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Oh you want specifics. Ok.. looking at your title which was "Discussion / Developer has no objection to allowing high donating players have GM accounts. Not P2W... LOL"...
Firstly, as he clarified on his thread, he is not planning for backers to buy GM accounts, so that sentence is wrong.
Secondly, the game isn't P2W.
That said, I don't see anything in your title that's actually right, leading me to believe you're just an idiot trolling.
Actually those were his very words as listed in the OP:
Caspien " While I have no plan to do so... I have no objection to allowing the highly influential players to log off of their primary accounts and log in under a GM account to RP a Vice/Virtue."
Please see my post halfway down page 3 where I discuss this with Caspien, acknowledge that he said he has no CURRENT plans to do so and ask him to rule it our unequivocally in the future.
Keep on with the personal insults. I personally don't think it helps your argument at all, but I do think it gives a great look at your community.
It's a shame your attention span is so short you feel it's ok to quote an earlier, later clarified posting, which illustrated that that very quote was misleading and not something he plans to do.
The fact remains that posting is incorrect, and you have now publicly been informed of the fact numerous times.
I've seen this thread on the forum, and he has QUITE CLEARLY stated on there that it was a subject for discussion. He has also stated in a later post that he has no plans to allow players to log in under GM accounts. It's very easy to read half a discussion thread, without looking at clarifications or outcomes.
As such, your posting risks LEGAL PROCEEDINGS. If you're planning to help fund the game this is not the way to go about it...
Unlike many boring MMO clones out there, SBS are making something completely new. The world is intended to be completely "fair" to all players, but by no means to they promote equality. If you work your way up the ranks, you WILL be more powerful and influential than those around you. There are risks and there are rewards. The world is dynamic. You will age, have children and an inheritance. There are NPCs too, and up to 100k players. Guesses around the size of the world suggest anything in the range of 512 "2/3 skyrim sized counties", but we'll have to wait and see. There will be finite resources, and recycling. There will be contract systems and the ability to maintain law, but also the opportunity to break it and face the consequences when you're caught. There will be player built houses, settlements, exploration, adventure and more. It's no surprise then that they actively keep the community informed and if they discover shortcomings and issues, they work around them to develop another solution. It's currently looking very interesting.
Yes cause they have loads of cash to waste on legal in a case they would ultimately lose....
Hmm are you a comedian?
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
so much drama... over a game that may never even see launch day.
What part of "I tied up a lot of cash in something that might never see the light of day so now I must defend it with my life against even the slightest hint of negativity" do you not understand?
It's 2016 man... get with the program
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so much drama... over a game that may never even see launch day.
What part of "I tied up a lot of cash in something that might never see the light of day so now I must defend it with my life against even the slightest hint of negativity" do you not understand?
It's 2016 man... get with the program
If I didn't already have a quote in my signature I would make this it...
Thanks for making my day!
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I might be missing something here, but ultimately someone would be a GM, right? So what's the difference with allowing someone to pay to be a GM and just anointing someone as a GM?
I might be missing something here, but ultimately someone would be a GM, right? So what's the difference with allowing someone to pay to be a GM and just anointing someone as a GM?
Oh IDK... the expectation that a GM would be a fair and impartial company employee? It's all I got.
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I might be missing something here, but ultimately someone would be a GM, right? So what's the difference with allowing someone to pay to be a GM and just anointing someone as a GM?
Oh IDK... the expectation that a GM would be a fair and impartial company employee? It's all I got.
Honestly? If there is a balance issue in the game, regardless who you allow to make decisions with regards to balance or in-game issues, there will always be someone who take offence to your decision. I have no problem with allowing players to be GMs, and it wouldn't be the first time. It sounds like the expectation is that these GMs would somehow be set loose without any sort of leash. That's sort of what I was trying to figure out, like whether people actually believed that GMs would not be monitored. To be perfectly honest, this seems blown out of proportion to me.
I might be missing something here, but ultimately someone would be a GM, right? So what's the difference with allowing someone to pay to be a GM and just anointing someone as a GM?
Oh IDK... the expectation that a GM would be a fair and impartial company employee? It's all I got.
Honestly? If there is a balance issue in the game, regardless who you allow to make decisions with regards to balance or in-game issues, there will always be someone who take offence to your decision. I have no problem with allowing players to be GMs, and it wouldn't be the first time. It sounds like the expectation is that these GMs would somehow be set loose without any sort of leash. That's sort of what I was trying to figure out, like whether people actually believed that GMs would not be monitored. To be perfectly honest, this seems blown out of proportion to me.
I said it before and I'll say it again. GM Discord - a vet like you surely remembers him.
I might be missing something here, but ultimately someone would be a GM, right? So what's the difference with allowing someone to pay to be a GM and just anointing someone as a GM?
Oh IDK... the expectation that a GM would be a fair and impartial company employee? It's all I got.
Honestly? If there is a balance issue in the game, regardless who you allow to make decisions with regards to balance or in-game issues, there will always be someone who take offence to your decision. I have no problem with allowing players to be GMs, and it wouldn't be the first time. It sounds like the expectation is that these GMs would somehow be set loose without any sort of leash. That's sort of what I was trying to figure out, like whether people actually believed that GMs would not be monitored. To be perfectly honest, this seems blown out of proportion to me.
In addition as it has been stated several times in this thread by Caspain himself. There is no plan to allow players to acquire GM positions by pledging or otherwise. Talk about tunnel vision folks. It was a comment made in jest!
I might be missing something here, but ultimately someone would be a GM, right? So what's the difference with allowing someone to pay to be a GM and just anointing someone as a GM?
Oh IDK... the expectation that a GM would be a fair and impartial company employee? It's all I got.
Honestly? If there is a balance issue in the game, regardless who you allow to make decisions with regards to balance or in-game issues, there will always be someone who take offence to your decision. I have no problem with allowing players to be GMs, and it wouldn't be the first time. It sounds like the expectation is that these GMs would somehow be set loose without any sort of leash. That's sort of what I was trying to figure out, like whether people actually believed that GMs would not be monitored. To be perfectly honest, this seems blown out of proportion to me.
In addition as it has been stated several times in this thread by Caspain himself. There is no plan to allow players to acquire GM positions by pledging or otherwise. Talk about tunnel vision folks. It was a comment made in jest!
What part was made in jest? That he thinks it would be fine for influential players to be GMs or that the game won't implement that?
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As such, your posting risks LEGAL PROCEEDINGS. If you're planning to help fund the game this is not the way to go about it...
Unlike many boring MMO clones out there, SBS are making something completely new. The world is intended to be completely "fair" to all players, but by no means to they promote equality. If you work your way up the ranks, you WILL be more powerful and influential than those around you. There are risks and there are rewards. The world is dynamic. You will age, have children and an inheritance. There are NPCs too, and up to 100k players. Guesses around the size of the world suggest anything in the range of 512 "2/3 skyrim sized counties", but we'll have to wait and see. There will be finite resources, and recycling. There will be contract systems and the ability to maintain law, but also the opportunity to break it and face the consequences when you're caught. There will be player built houses, settlements, exploration, adventure and more. It's no surprise then that they actively keep the community informed and if they discover shortcomings and issues, they work around them to develop another solution. It's currently looking very interesting.
Firstly: Following launch, there will be NO STORE or legal financial means to get a leg up in the world.
Secondly: The only options for additional funding BEFORE launch are to change your "Starting Station", goods etc in society. They have confirmed COUNTLESS times that if you for example back as a king, there is NOTHING to prevent a duke from one day ousting you and taking over your kingdom. There are many routes to power in CoE, and your starting position by NO MEANS guarantees your long term success.
Personally I'd be very careful about pasting misleading or false information about titles around - it wouldn't be the first time a publisher has sued.
(Source: http://kotaku.com/game-developer-sues-100-anonymous-steam-users-for-18-m-1786721306 )
That said I am ALWAYS willing to correct anything I might say that is inaccurate. Please point me to exactly what i said that was incorrect (and why) and I will be happy to look at it and change it if needed. I offered the same to your CEO but so far have not heard back. Always willing to listen!
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You post garbage, misleading quotes and inaccuracies and talk to me of tactics people are receptive to? What planet are you on? Posting misleading information and stupidity does not equate to "talking about the game". It just makes you look like a troll, a conclusion anyone who has looked into the game seriously has probably long since reached. In regards to legal action, pick up your bottom lip and deal with anything that needs correcting. Otherwise, that's your problem.
But let's look on the bright side - the more the game is talked about and the more disagreement there is, the more people will look into it themselves. The bottom line will most likely be more backers, and whatever failed MMO you're trying to prop up yourself will fail.
In regards to pointing out what you've said that was inaccurate, start by scrolling up and reading the post you just replied to. Yeah I'm listening to you too...... As for their CEO replying to you, personally I don't think he should bother giving you the time of day. He has more important things and people to deal with. Expecting every game company's CEO to spend their time pandering to over demanding community members it just silly. If you're that attention starved, you need to take it up with your parents.
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Even worse than being able to spend big bucks and buy kingdoms and "position" and goods before launch, is the admission from the CEO that they would fully allow RMT transactions between players, which would result in AFK scripted gold farmers everywhere that company will refuse to remove.
Gold farmers/sellers have gone a long way to ruin games when companies would step in to stop them, but to explicitly allow RMT and gold farmers? No thank you.
Perhaps this game should be released in S.Korea instead of the West, they actually like RMT games there....
Ok let's close the thread right here there is nothing left to say.
This person just won the internet.
Oh you want specifics. Ok.. looking at your title which was "Discussion / Developer has no objection to allowing high donating players have GM accounts. Not P2W... LOL"...
Firstly, as he clarified on his thread, he is not planning for backers to buy GM accounts, so that sentence is wrong.
Secondly, the game isn't P2W.
That said, I don't see anything in your title that's actually right, leading me to believe you're just an idiot trolling.
Caspien " While I have no plan to do so... I have no objection to allowing the highly influential players to log off of their primary accounts and log in under a GM account to RP a Vice/Virtue."
Please see my post halfway down page 3 where I discuss this with Caspien, acknowledge that he said he has no CURRENT plans to do so and ask him to rule it our unequivocally in the future.
Keep on with the personal insults. I personally don't think it helps your argument at all, but I do think it gives a great look at your community.
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Very likely they don't strongly support any MMORPG, allows them to be "fair and balanced" towards everyone.
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The fact remains that posting is incorrect, and you have now publicly been informed of the fact numerous times.
Hmm are you a comedian?
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Additionally he did post the corrected quote as well.
Nothing is misleading here, you are just making things up.
Frankly this project is slowly moving away from Pathfinder Online and more turning into a new Greedmonger instead.
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Thanks for making my day!
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“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Honestly? If there is a balance issue in the game, regardless who you allow to make decisions with regards to balance or in-game issues, there will always be someone who take offence to your decision. I have no problem with allowing players to be GMs, and it wouldn't be the first time. It sounds like the expectation is that these GMs would somehow be set loose without any sort of leash. That's sort of what I was trying to figure out, like whether people actually believed that GMs would not be monitored. To be perfectly honest, this seems blown out of proportion to me.
Crazkanuk
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Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
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