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  • Originally posted by Simet196

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/152355/Looking-For-A-New-MMO-Check-Here-First.html
     here at Section 6.

    Isn't it challenging enough? I see the message was last edited in 2008. That was arguably a good period of WoW. So how come?

    Okay theres hard encounters in WoW too but hardest content like %10 of total game. %90 Rest of the game im rolling my face on keyboard to accomplish. Thats why..

  • TaristarTaristar Russellville, ARPosts: 34Member

    WoW doesn't require any real skill to play , they have simplified the game over the years way too much, It doesn't matter if you are 5 years old or 95 years old you can play through WoW w/o any problems. Between WoW translating their game and making it sooo incredibly easy that anyone can play through the game accounts for the size of their player base.

    They have simplified stats and given you gear scroes and pokemon and all sorts of stuff to simplify things. When the level cap was 60 leveling to 60 was pretty fun but the end game was terrible. But things have gotten so incredibly Gerber since then.
  • PepeqPepeq Poway, CAPosts: 1,487Member Uncommon

    Just because 99% (totally made up number like yours was) of the population doesn't bother doing heroic content because they already done it on normal or flex or LFR, doesn't mean they couldn't do heroic.  And if anyone is still doing heroics now, they are doing nerfed heroics, just like nerfed normal, et al.  You have to complete the content within a couple of months of release max before the nerf bat takes over... or the now popular technique... buffing of players so that they are stronger than they would be if they were outside of the instance.

     

    Lowest difficulty due to accessibility.... basically anyone can clear a raid in WoW.  Anyone.  It was designed that way so that everyone could see all the content and lore.  In other words, most people don't bother with heroics because they've already seen the content and lore.  Been there, done that... moving on.

  • doodphacedoodphace Vancouver, BCPosts: 1,815Member
    Originally posted by greatskys
    Originally posted by doodphace
    Originally posted by Ludwik
    Originally posted by jusomdude
    If ~99% of the population that plays the game can't finish the heroic content... the game isn't easy. I bet most people that call WoW easy haven't finished the heroic content.

     

    Well, that depends.

    By Blizzard's own numbers, only 1.3% of the player base has even attempted a raid and only 0.9% has attempted a herioc raid. If all 0.9% of players that have attempted a herioc raid have been able to complete it, I would say that constitutes 'easy'.

    I have no clue where you are getting your numbers, but over 75% of all endgame charecter's had completed at least some bosses of the last few raid tiers on at least 1 of the raid difficulties, let alone just "attempted them". Heroic on the other hand is a different story, heorics are consistantly in the very low single digits.

    WoW's heoric raids are the hardest raid encounters in the industry, yes that includes Wildstar.

     

    Have you tried all other highest level raid encounters in all other games then because if you have you must have 48 hours in day an 28 days in a week . Because no one I know of has time enough to play that many games to make such a sweeping comment  .

    Had you said WoWs heroic raids are the hardest raid encounters that you have encountered in the games you played then it would be easier to believe your statement . 

    I personally have not, but I tend to believe world first guilds who have, and write extensive blogs on each tier comparing them to other previous tiers of the game in question, and other games they have played as well. And before you respond with another incredable claim that in order to have cleared the hardest raids in EQ1,2, AOC, FFIX, Rift, SWTOR, Wildstar, WoW, etc you would have had to raid 48 hours a day, 28 days a week.....remember that all raid tiers in all games are not released at the same time....these are games that have been around for years, tiers come and go at different times, different years. Most of the top 5 Wildstar guilds also competed in the latest WoW heroic tier (which released in Sept 2013), thats how time works..... The mere fact that I have to point that out to you, shows your complete disregard for logic and simply wanted to attack my post.

  • obocoboc Northglenn, COPosts: 189Member
    Not gonna touch this one, nope ! 
  • jusomdudejusomdude Somewhere, KSPosts: 2,401Member
    Originally posted by Pepeq

    Just because 99% (totally made up number like yours was) of the population doesn't bother doing heroic content because they already done it on normal or flex or LFR, doesn't mean they couldn't do heroic.  And if anyone is still doing heroics now, they are doing nerfed heroics, just like nerfed normal, et al.  You have to complete the content within a couple of months of release max before the nerf bat takes over... or the now popular technique... buffing of players so that they are stronger than they would be if they were outside of the instance.

     

    Lowest difficulty due to accessibility.... basically anyone can clear a raid in WoW.  Anyone.  It was designed that way so that everyone could see all the content and lore.  In other words, most people don't bother with heroics because they've already seen the content and lore.  Been there, done that... moving on.

    Actually, mine wasn't made up, there was a post on MMO champion awhile back with a graph showing heroic bosses cleared. I couldn't find the post with a quick search, but it's there.

     

    Also, if heroic raiding was all they offered, they'd have a dead game on their hands, something like wildstar.

     

    Found the graph: http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/3678-Armory-Stats-Heroic-SoO-Progression-Blizzard-CS-Callback-Blue-Tweets-Fan-Art

  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Arkham, VAPosts: 10,910Member

    WoW is pretty easy to play.  You can flub your way through a lot of the game and stumble into a lot of stuff without dying.  There is the occasional fight where you can't win, or you win just as you die, but there aren't many of them.  That does not mean WoW has no challenge, or that there isn't a difference between killing a mob in 3 seconds versus 10 seconds, but WoW is very forgiving.

     

    I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  • Azaron_NightbladeAzaron_Nightblade KingsmouthPosts: 2,641Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Simet196

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/152355/Looking-For-A-New-MMO-Check-Here-First.html
     here at Section 6.

    Isn't it challenging enough? I see the message was last edited in 2008. That was arguably a good period of WoW. So how come?

    Most likely because of the leveling experience and how easy it is to get into the game.

    I doubt it takes into account raids and other "advanced/hardcore" stuff.

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  • BetaguyBetaguy Halifax, NSPosts: 2,590Member
    Originally posted by jusomdude
    If ~99% of the population that plays the game can't finish the heroic content... the game isn't easy. I bet most people that call WoW easy haven't finished the heroic content.

    Of course they haven't it is the hardest fucking raid content ever....

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  • BeelzebobbieBeelzebobbie MalmöPosts: 429Member

    I have played wow for a couple of years and dudes the game is easy, it's a casual players dream. And sure they have heroic settings to make i tough and yes they aren't easy but the game overall is easy. My 4 year old got her char to lvl 80 and I had to help her login since she can't write or read.

    Nobody is arguing that wow doesn't have difficult settings on there raids but thats all, the rest is simple. I don't see why this is a bad thing 6.8 millions seems to love it.

    But dudes arguing that wow is a difficult game is the same as saying that GW2 is hardcore game because they have the three headed jungle wurm which is very very tough. GW2 is also a casual players dream.

  • maybebakedmaybebaked brantford, ONPosts: 251Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Betaguy
    Originally posted by jusomdude
    If ~99% of the population that plays the game can't finish the heroic content... the game isn't easy. I bet most people that call WoW easy haven't finished the heroic content.

    Of course they haven't it is the hardest fucking raid content ever....

    WoW is easy up to this point, but most people haven't the time nor will to put that much effort into getting the best gear.  You can pretty much be terrible at the game up to LFR.

  • greatskysgreatskys marlboroughPosts: 449Member
    Originally posted by doodphace
    Originally posted by greatskys
    Originally posted by doodphace
    Originally posted by Ludwik
    Originally posted by jusomdude
    If ~99% of the population that plays the game can't finish the heroic content... the game isn't easy. I bet most people that call WoW easy haven't finished the heroic content.

     

    Well, that depends.

    By Blizzard's own numbers, only 1.3% of the player base has even attempted a raid and only 0.9% has attempted a herioc raid. If all 0.9% of players that have attempted a herioc raid have been able to complete it, I would say that constitutes 'easy'.

    I have no clue where you are getting your numbers, but over 75% of all endgame charecter's had completed at least some bosses of the last few raid tiers on at least 1 of the raid difficulties, let alone just "attempted them". Heroic on the other hand is a different story, heorics are consistantly in the very low single digits.

    WoW's heoric raids are the hardest raid encounters in the industry, yes that includes Wildstar.

     

    Have you tried all other highest level raid encounters in all other games then because if you have you must have 48 hours in day an 28 days in a week . Because no one I know of has time enough to play that many games to make such a sweeping comment  .

    Had you said WoWs heroic raids are the hardest raid encounters that you have encountered in the games you played then it would be easier to believe your statement . 

    I personally have not, but I tend to believe world first guilds who have, and write extensive blogs on each tier comparing them to other previous tiers of the game in question, and other games they have played as well. And before you respond with another incredable claim that in order to have cleared the hardest raids in EQ1,2, AOC, FFIX, Rift, SWTOR, Wildstar, WoW, etc you would have had to raid 48 hours a day, 28 days a week.....remember that all raid tiers in all games are not released at the same time....these are games that have been around for years, tiers come and go at different times, different years. Most of the top 5 Wildstar guilds also competed in the latest WoW heroic tier (which released in Sept 2013), thats how time works..... The mere fact that I have to point that out to you, shows your complete disregard for logic and simply wanted to attack my post.

    Even so look at the list of mmos in these forums and your will see there is close to a hundred mmos out there . Plenty with raiding content . It would be impossible to do them all . I know people that are in Rift that raid all the time that still havn't cleared all the raid content in that game . I play TSW the dungeons there are harder than many I've encountered elsewhere but I would not be footlhardy enough to describe it as the hardest around . 

     

    The people I know in Rift that raid also declare that Rifts raids are harder than WoWs but its what you expect of people that play and enjoy a game . Only a very gullible person would take such a persons word for it . 

     

    Essentially what you have admitted is that you don't personally know that WoW raiding content is the hardest so your earlier comment was not a statement of fact and was nothing more than a personal opinion based on your own experiences in WoW and the reinforcement of the opinions of a few other fans of WoW like yourself . 

     

    As such as a statement it is flawed and not to be taken seriously by anyone with a bit of common sense . 

  • jusomdudejusomdude Somewhere, KSPosts: 2,401Member
    Originally posted by maybebaked
    Originally posted by Betaguy
    Originally posted by jusomdude
    If ~99% of the population that plays the game can't finish the heroic content... the game isn't easy. I bet most people that call WoW easy haven't finished the heroic content.

    Of course they haven't it is the hardest fucking raid content ever....

    WoW is easy up to this point, but most people haven't the time nor will to put that much effort into getting the best gear.  You can pretty much be terrible at the game up to LFR.

    By the looks of the graph around 7% of the player base cleared the first boss in heroic SoO, and about 0.25% cleared the last boss.

    If we would assume all players that attempted the heroic raid cleared the first boss, then about 3.5% of players that even attempted heroic cleared the last boss.

  • BladestromBladestrom edinburghPosts: 4,941Member Uncommon
    In the old days you fought and fought in wow with the tantalising prospect of entering the final encounter. Now it's meh I've seen that boss on normal, flex already. For those fighting for prestige, it's feckin annoying because bang next
    patch the content is useless.

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  • NadiaNadia Canonsburg, PAPosts: 11,866Member Common

    its different now, but when WOW released in 2004

    most mmos were not "beginner friendly"

     

    ask any EQ classic player that tried to hail a city guard and got instant killed for pushing the A button

     

    when WOW released, Blizzard's death penalty was very tame (no experience loss)

    the beginner areas were very friendly to anyone who never played a mmo before

     

    fast forward, 10 years later,  most mmos are "beginner friendly" now

  • jusomdudejusomdude Somewhere, KSPosts: 2,401Member
    Originally posted by Bladestrom
    In the old days you fought and fought in wow with the tantalising prospect of entering the final encounter. Now it's meh I've seen that boss on normal, flex already. For those fighting for prestige, it's feckin annoying because bang next
    patch the content is useless.

    I believe the mode for just wanting to see the content, is the LFR tourist mode. The point is, the challenging modes are there for the people that want it.

    If one argues that players don't want to play the harder difficulties because they've already seen the content on easier modes, how can the game be blamed for being too easy? That's the players fault for choosing to play easy mode.

     

    I'm kind of surprised Blizzard still even bothers with heroic content when it's plain that so many players don't even want to bother with it.

  • Velonius650Velonius650 Toronto, ONPosts: 27Member
    Depends which part of the game you are referring to....if it's leveling to max level then yes it's ridiculously easy.  Almost anything you do in the game awards xp and the quests are so easy that you don't even have to know all of your class' skills to complete them.  So in theory it's possible to reach max level "end game" and be a complete tool when it comes to knowing anything about the game.  Even end game is easy until you get to Heroic raiding. 

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  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard La BarrePosts: 3,544Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Simet196

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/152355/Looking-For-A-New-MMO-Check-Here-First.html
     here at Section 6.

    Isn't it challenging enough? I see the message was last edited in 2008. That was arguably a good period of WoW. So how come?

    The majority of the people who downvote WoW difficulty wise never set foot in a raid, and even less an heroic raid.

    It's just ignorance and hathred of what is famous, and also feeling "superior" for disliking what others enjoy. Some people just need that, pity them and ignore them.

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  • FeralLokiFeralLoki Fredericksburg, VAPosts: 90Member Uncommon
    Because You can play WoW with your eyes closed, its that easy.
  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard La BarrePosts: 3,544Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by FeralLoki
    Because You can play WoW with your eyes closed, its that easy.

    Ah, and I forgot those who never played wow at all, but still bash it because it's popular here on these forums.

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  • PepeqPepeq Poway, CAPosts: 1,487Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Originally posted by Simet196

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/152355/Looking-For-A-New-MMO-Check-Here-First.html
     here at Section 6.

    Isn't it challenging enough? I see the message was last edited in 2008. That was arguably a good period of WoW. So how come?

    The majority of the people who downvote WoW difficulty wise never set foot in a raid, and even less an heroic raid.

    It's just ignorance and hathred of what is famous, and also feeling "superior" for disliking what others enjoy. Some people just need that, pity them and ignore them.

    Well I have step foot in a raid and heroic raids... lots of them for many years... and I can say they are not the same now... not saying they can't be difficult (on release, nerf bat timeframe is a different story), saying that they've become pointless because they have several versions of the same exact raid.  I cleared such and such... so did I, I pugged it in LFR was done in an hour, and you?  The sense of accomplishment is long gone.  If everyone could climb Mt Everest, it wouldn't be such a great feat.  If no one can ever fail, what is the point of victory.

     

    It's not an elitist attitude to what a challenge that isn't superfluous.  WoW is all about the superfluous.  Which is fine.  Many gamers only want that.  It is also why they say it is an easy game... because it is.

  • VutarVutar BaghdadPosts: 773Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by jusomdude
    If ~99% of the population that plays the game can't finish the heroic content... the game isn't easy. I bet most people that call WoW easy haven't finished the heroic content.

     

    Why would they? Is there any reason left to do Heroic raids? Nope. People follow the path of least resistance unless you give them a reason not to. In WoW there is virtually no reason to do heroic raiding.

  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard La BarrePosts: 3,544Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Pepeq
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Originally posted by Simet196

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/152355/Looking-For-A-New-MMO-Check-Here-First.html
     here at Section 6.

    Isn't it challenging enough? I see the message was last edited in 2008. That was arguably a good period of WoW. So how come?

    The majority of the people who downvote WoW difficulty wise never set foot in a raid, and even less an heroic raid.

    It's just ignorance and hathred of what is famous, and also feeling "superior" for disliking what others enjoy. Some people just need that, pity them and ignore them.

    Well I have step foot in a raid and heroic raids... lots of them for many years... and I can say they are not the same now... not saying they can't be difficult (on release, nerf bat timeframe is a different story), saying that they've become pointless because they have several versions of the same exact raid.  I cleared such and such... so did I, I pugged it in LFR was done in an hour, and you?  The sense of accomplishment is long gone.  If everyone could climb Mt Everest, it wouldn't be such a great feat.  If no one can ever fail, what is the point of victory.

     

    It's not an elitist attitude to what a challenge that isn't superfluous.  WoW is all about the superfluous.  Which is fine.  Many gamers only want that.  It is also why they say it is an easy game... because it is.

    Yeah, because those people standing around in full heroic raid gear haven't earned it over those wearing the crappy "LFR" gear.

    Please stop the nonsense.

    PS: I don't own heroic raid gear nowadays, I mostly do PvP. But don't try to sell me the bullshit that challenge isn't there for those looking for it, with appropriate rewards to go with it. And by rewards, I don't mean just the gear, I mean achievements giving titles and unique mounts.

    Seems to me that the people who are saying that "the sense accomplishment is long gone" are those who actually stick to easy mode and aren't even looking for it.

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  • ArthasmArthasm LoznicaPosts: 754Member Uncommon
    Lol, again one of those threads. N00bs never step into any normal/heroic raid, yet they are pro gamers with 1000000 watched youtube videos "Omg, this is so easy, he has 10000000000 addons". 20+ MMORPG, still didn't find any game that beats Wow in end-game. At least try fucking end-game, then bitch about how it's very easy.
  • Greymantle4Greymantle4 Posts: 802Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by jusomdude
    Lol at people saying the game is easy because of leveling content... That content is made easy on purpose. If leveling was hard, barely anyone would play past the first 20 levels.

    If I recall Wow had around 11 million accounts back in TBC when leveling was challenging and longer to level. I would say it's safe to say your wrong people do like more of a challenge.

     

    What we have today is a huge waste of time. I wish Blizzard would bring back the difficulty they had back in TCB and let those that don't like to level start at the last expansion. My wife and I use to love leveling back then doing pve and pvp. Now the pve is pointless and the pvp was ruined with account gear.

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