As part of Generation X I would actually argue that Baby Boomers are by far the most entitled generation.
They basically created vast liabilities by living beyond their means that every subsequent generation must pay off. Be they pensions, environmental, general over consumption etc etc.
They definitely mde a mess, but I don't see how sense of entitlement plays into that. They're only asking for what they worked for, no? Very different from feeling owed from the start. Whatever the case, they're the generation that gave us ballpoint pens, the integrated circuit and rocketry, so I'm willing to give them a pass on everything else.
Yes, the difference is that any non-Baby Boomer (working the same as the Baby Boomers did) who too "only asks to get what they work for" gets told disdainfully by Baby Boomers they are "entitled".
Or simply put: "Sorry the pie has been shared already, here are some crumbs and don't complain about it you entitled kid".
I thought that the inclusion of humor videos from both sides of the Boomer/Millenial fence and a dig at my own generation would make it clear I'm not invested in any side of the argument, only pointing out they have a reputation for entitlement, warranted or not.
Sorry you got butthurt, Joey.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Seems like most are always needing more funding, and pretty much all of them are at least a year behind where they originally projected being by now.
Personally I've made the personal decision that I threw away all the money I spent on kickstarter to con men and scammers.
I've decided crowd funding is nothing but a criminal enterprise most likely originally designed to launder money.
Any legitimate and solid business model does not have to come begging funding from the consumers.
If you have a solid and workable business model there are tons of banks and investors out there looking to make an investment or business loan. If the business model is too weak or non-existent, the managers are clueless, or have zero business experience then it ends up begging for " free " crowdfunding.
If there developers were even remotely legitimate they would be offering an investors return on our money rather that a T-shirt or in game decal.
Think you need to cut back on the melodrama juice there.
That's an awfully myopic, and ridiculously cynical view of it.
Because some games you personally backed haven't panned out well, you're going to damn the whole crowd funding thing as "a criminal enterprise originally designed to launder money"? Seriously?
You sound like a scorned lover, lashing out at all women/men because you've had a streak of bad relationships.
You do realize that many AAA projects get canned before they're completed? Even those backed by Publishers and/or investors, with loans provided by banks - what you consider a "workable business model". Sometimes things just don't work out.
You do realize that many successful Kickstarters have been completed and released their products, or otherwise went on to achieve what they were seeking funding for?
A friend of mine raised almost 900% of what they were seeking, to start a small business selling animal-related products, with a portion of the proceeds going toward helping rescued or otherwise "less adoptable" animals find homes... all of which they have already fulfilled and are doing. Guess I'll have to tell her that she's really nothing but a scam artist and a money launderer, because psiic on mmorpg.com said so. I'm sure she'll find that enlightening.
Actually, she'll probably just laugh at the paranoid stupidity of it.
Along with the myriad others whose crowdfunding has allowed them to achieve exactly what they set out to do.
But, you know... because you had a bad run with a few games... obviously they're all just charlatans looking to steal your money. Yeah. Of course.
Are there scams out there? Wouldn't surprise me if there are. However, "some" does not equal "all".
Also, a failed project, or a project meeting delays (which even AAA projects with "workable business plans" run into), does not make it a "scam".
Seems like most are always needing more funding, and pretty much all of them are at least a year behind where they originally projected being by now.
Personally I've made the personal decision that I threw away all the money I spent on kickstarter to con men and scammers.
I've decided crowd funding is nothing but a criminal enterprise most likely originally designed to launder money.
Any legitimate and solid business model does not have to come begging funding from the consumers.
If you have a solid and workable business model there are tons of banks and investors out there looking to make an investment or business loan. If the business model is too weak or non-existent, the managers are clueless, or have zero business experience then it ends up begging for " free " crowdfunding.
If there developers were even remotely legitimate they would be offering an investors return on our money rather that a T-shirt or in game decal.
That's a fairly naive view of the business world Nowadays just about every major breakthrough and tech company started by getting funding from someone. Whether friends and family, venture capitalists, or crowd funding.
There have been numerous successes, and several products that have been brought to market. And there are products that did not make it. That isn't because the persons that ran these ventures were con men.
Something like an MMO is an extremely difficult product to develop and bring to market by a non-professional team of many persons. So it's going to be an uphill climb from the very beginning, regardless of how wonderful the ideas and concepts are.
If you have ever taken the time and the risk to start a company with an idea you would perhaps understand. My thinking is that you have never done this, and speak from a position of ignorance on the subject.
Without crowdfunding, many projects would never get far enough to attract Venture Capitalist investors, and certainly never far enough to secure a loan.
If the prospect of paying money for the development of something you want, and have that be brought to market, is a concept that you aren't comfortable with, then say so. A t-shirt, special mention, etc. aren't the reason you are paying a mere 10 or 15 usd. It is to get the finished product, eventually, which otherwise would never get made.
Don't crap on the people who have the passion and drive to try to make their own dreams a reality, and disparage them by labelling them all as con men.
I have actually written close to 30 separate and unique business plans.
Taken 17 of them to presentation.
Of the 17 I have presented to banks and investors, only 4 received funding. Of those 4, two failed within the first year.
The third went under within 5 years, and the fourth has now been in business for 11 years with some success.
I know exactly what I am talking about.
Business is tough, its risky, and there are tons of failures for every success as there should be.
When you remove the risk/reward aspect of business, you end up with a pile of shit where weak, mismanaged, undisciplined, idiots are running companies and saturating a market with craptastic ideas that only make it harder for real companies with real experience to produce real solid projects.
But this is the entitled generation where a bunch of young people think everyone should be given everything they want even if they have not earned it, and do not deserve it.
A generation too stupid to realize that by taking away winners and losers, by making it so the weak survive, all they are doing is making everyone else themselves included weaker.
I do not manage my business because I am not qualified to manage a business.
I do not do the accounting for my business because I am not qualified to do the books for a business.
Unlike these kickstarts I run a real business where I hire qualified people to do a job they are trained to do.
Unlike a kickstart I have a real payroll account, with a real bank, and pay my people with real money.
Unlike a kickstart I have accountability to my lender and to my employees.
Unlike a kickstart I keep exact books, and pay the taxes I owe in a timely manner.
Unlike a kickstart if I produce crap I do not get paid.
Amazes me how some of you young people think socialism, marxism, communism is something new and fantastic, you created.
Actually SOME people just don't want Investors breathing down their backs telling them how to do their job so they get a return on their investments. When you have Investors your forced to play it safe and you end up with cookie cutter MMOs of MMOs that have worked in the past. There is no room for true creative innovation. KickStarter has paved the way for us Indies to get the funding we need with out the negative aspects of Investors.
Those same investors also cause accountability , planning, follow through and scrutiny. Things that are helpful to prevent the investors from being screwed over and help with the success of the company.
Crowd funding does not really have any safeguards or the heel thirst safeguards give.
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
MMO's take much longer to finish than sp games do so no surprise none are finished yet. Camelot Unchained is coming along great, the backers got to play a pre-alpha version last weekend and it was surprisingly stable and little to no lag. Everything is on schedule.
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Yes, the difference is that any non-Baby Boomer (working the same as the Baby Boomers did) who too "only asks to get what they work for" gets told disdainfully by Baby Boomers they are "entitled".
Or simply put: "Sorry the pie has been shared already, here are some crumbs and don't complain about it you entitled kid".
I thought that the inclusion of humor videos from both sides of the Boomer/Millenial fence and a dig at my own generation would make it clear I'm not invested in any side of the argument, only pointing out they have a reputation for entitlement, warranted or not.
Sorry you got butthurt, Joey.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Think you need to cut back on the melodrama juice there.
That's an awfully myopic, and ridiculously cynical view of it.
Because some games you personally backed haven't panned out well, you're going to damn the whole crowd funding thing as "a criminal enterprise originally designed to launder money"? Seriously?
You sound like a scorned lover, lashing out at all women/men because you've had a streak of bad relationships.
You do realize that many AAA projects get canned before they're completed? Even those backed by Publishers and/or investors, with loans provided by banks - what you consider a "workable business model". Sometimes things just don't work out.
You do realize that many successful Kickstarters have been completed and released their products, or otherwise went on to achieve what they were seeking funding for?
A friend of mine raised almost 900% of what they were seeking, to start a small business selling animal-related products, with a portion of the proceeds going toward helping rescued or otherwise "less adoptable" animals find homes... all of which they have already fulfilled and are doing. Guess I'll have to tell her that she's really nothing but a scam artist and a money launderer, because psiic on mmorpg.com said so. I'm sure she'll find that enlightening.
Actually, she'll probably just laugh at the paranoid stupidity of it.
Along with the myriad others whose crowdfunding has allowed them to achieve exactly what they set out to do.
But, you know... because you had a bad run with a few games... obviously they're all just charlatans looking to steal your money. Yeah. Of course.
Are there scams out there? Wouldn't surprise me if there are. However, "some" does not equal "all".
Also, a failed project, or a project meeting delays (which even AAA projects with "workable business plans" run into), does not make it a "scam".
Actually SOME people just don't want Investors breathing down their backs telling them how to do their job so they get a return on their investments. When you have Investors your forced to play it safe and you end up with cookie cutter MMOs of MMOs that have worked in the past. There is no room for true creative innovation. KickStarter has paved the way for us Indies to get the funding we need with out the negative aspects of Investors.
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Crowd funding does not really have any safeguards or the heel thirst safeguards give.