Maybe we need a new acronym, I think we know who can help with that.
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Originally posted by Stizzled There are no MMOs anymore, just singleplayer games ran on a server where once in a while people happen to bump into one another. MMOs died the moment that some genius decided that they needed to make players feel special, so now everyone has an epic storyline to follow, other players just get in the way of that.
Online shared world with persistent characters w/ progression....
Class based mechanics (heavily hinted at in recent videa showing Titan, Warlock, Hunter "classes")
It blurs the line between "traditional" multiplayer and massively multiplayer.
Will it have offline play?
PMOTPS?
Persistent Online Multiplayer Third Person Shooter?
LOL whatever it doesn't matter.
MMO or not MMO, I'm happy MMORPG.com is covering.
Agree - although if things work out as devs are suggesting it won't just blur the line it will redefine it. The bedrock of a "traditional" mmo based on a single server without the failings - server mergers, trains, boss mobs just killed, unable to find a group etc.
Do you like WoW now that you instantly teleport into a dungeon with 4 strangers?
How many friends have you made this way?
I remember when yeah, it could take 3 hours to get one run together. But then you met people who were on at the same time as you, and who played well, and you kept note. You looked for them next time. And became friends.
BUT I retreat from the thread; the only focus is the instant gratification, carry on.
This game is not an MMO. Neither is LoL. MMORPG is a sellout of a website and in doing so even South Park's game can be listed on this site. Not that there's anything wrong with that. People gotta make money.
Originally posted by Venomania It's annoying when people try and say "It's not an MMO", it IS an MMO. Marketing mumble jumble doesn't change facts. It's an mmo. There are plenty of MMO's that have variations on instanced worlds. Seemless, instanced zones/maps. I could describe every MMO as something else, make some fancy pants none MMO term for what type of game they are. Lol Coined the term MOBA, it caught on and now it is a genre. This is not the same situation, this game doesnt do anything different enough to warent anew genre. It is an mmo-shooter.
Aeon of Strife mod for Starcraft was the first moba and the first to use the term. Where you get League of Legends inventing anything is beyond me.
As for the "mmo/notmmo" argument, this site stopped catering to actual mmos a long time ago, so no point in even arguing about it.
Really? Always thought that the Warcraft 3 Mod DOTA was the first MOBA.
Maybe we need a new acronym, I think we know who can help with that.
nah .. just change the meaning of the old acronym .. that is more convenient. It is not like there are a lot of gamers care about the old traditional MMOs anyway.
its not an mmo, i find it hilarious that so many think it is. And you know the MMORPG is about money not accuracy anymore its the biggest reason i dont come here as often. but i was i looking up to find out if destiny was a true mmo or not. after everything ive read its not.
just because you can sit in lobby with 200k people doesnt make the game a MMO. stop being retarded.
A massively multiplayer online game (also called MMO and MMOG) is a multiplayer video game which is capable of supporting large numbers of players simultaneously. By necessity, they are played on the Internet.[1] MMOs usually have at least one persistent world, however some games differ. These games can be found for most network-capable platforms, including the personal computer, video game console, or smartphones and other mobile devices.
MMOGs can enable players to cooperate and compete with each other on a large scale, and sometimes to interact meaningfully with people around the world. They include a variety of gameplay types, representing many video game genres.
Its an mmo but not in the traditional sense. You are able to see other random people in the open world in Destiny, the number of people allowed to see in the open world varies depending on the zone and event, for example in Public Events you are able to see multiple fire teams each with multiple players. The persistent world is shared by massive amounts of players simultaneously, thats what defines an mmo not the amount of players each individual player can see on his screen. in Destiny case it is simultaneous but the limit of players on screen is phased, Neverwinter and ESO uses the same mechanics and those are considered mmos. I dont see any definition that states each player must be capable of seeing a certain number of people on his screen to make it an "mmo"
BF4, CoD multi-player and games like that are not mmos because they do not have persistent worlds where each map is connected by another map and you can just walk between them either seamlessly or through a loading screen. And their servers dont support thousands of players
Originally posted by Venomania It's annoying when people try and say "It's not an MMO", it IS an MMO. Marketing mumble jumble doesn't change facts. It's an mmo. There are plenty of MMO's that have variations on instanced worlds. Seemless, instanced zones/maps. I could describe every MMO as something else, make some fancy pants none MMO term for what type of game they are. Lol Coined the term MOBA, it caught on and now it is a genre. This is not the same situation, this game doesnt do anything different enough to warent anew genre. It is an mmo-shooter.
Aeon of Strife mod for Starcraft was the first moba and the first to use the term. Where you get League of Legends inventing anything is beyond me.
As for the "mmo/notmmo" argument, this site stopped catering to actual mmos a long time ago, so no point in even arguing about it.
While there were plently of MOBAs prior to LoL (the Dota mod for WC3 was the most popular), Riot games were indeed the first to refer to the genre as a whole as "mobas". He never said they "invented" mobas, he said they "coined the term", which, they indeed did.
Just like Ultima online. Though you can name a few games that were mmorpgs before UO, lord british was the first to use the term mmorpg to decribe the genre.
As for destiny, iv been playing the beta all day. The game is essentially like Diablo 3. Would you consider D3 an MMO? The only difference between the two is that other players can appear near you while you are outside of a mission.
Originally posted by Venomania It's annoying when people try and say "It's not an MMO", it IS an MMO. Marketing mumble jumble doesn't change facts. It's an mmo. There are plenty of MMO's that have variations on instanced worlds. Seemless, instanced zones/maps. I could describe every MMO as something else, make some fancy pants none MMO term for what type of game they are. Lol Coined the term MOBA, it caught on and now it is a genre. This is not the same situation, this game doesnt do anything different enough to warent anew genre. It is an mmo-shooter.
Developers say its not a MMO so it's not a MMO.
have you played the game yet?
how can you say it's a MMO when the people that makes it said it isn't?
developers say games are 'ftp' as well.developers say a lot of things that end up not being true. mmo is a game played by multiple people with a persistent world,online.now what part of mmo does destiny NOT fit,is it not online?does it not have multiple people play?is the world not persistent?
Originally posted by Snakester95 It's now confirmed to be a third person shooter, still a shared world shooter though.
*boggle* Wha? Ok I admit I haven't read the 6+ pages of replies because well I've been playing Destiny...Without having people in my fire team, I was still on a map with at least 9 other people....While not massively it is still multiplayer and online....As for the 3rd person shooter...ummm, looks pretty first person view to me...cept when you're in the hub.
its not an mmo, i find it hilarious that so many think it is. And you know the MMORPG is about money not accuracy anymore its the biggest reason i dont come here as often. but i was i looking up to find out if destiny was a true mmo or not. after everything ive read its not.
just because you can sit in lobby with 200k people doesnt make the game a MMO. stop being retarded.
it is online,i saw lots of people in the game(yes i played it) you have omg quests,(or missions),you level,you play a anotehr person,frankly i do not see how it is NOT an mmo,it uses guns and no mmo uses guns?but some people do not want to play mmo so they want to call it something else i guess.
hey well I guess MMORPG.com staff need to add them to the list.
they are NOT persistent worlds are they?NO you do a mission and then you wait for another.you cannot walk around the world,as it vanishes.nice try.
The definition of the acronym 'MMO' is listed on page 7 of this thread.
While having a persistent world is common amongst MMOs, it's not a requirement. Unless you're talking to MMO purists on the MMORPG.com forums who believe if a game isn't UO or SWG, it isn't an MMO.
It's more an MMO than GW1 was. Not by a lot id say they are in a similar category though. It is slightly less an MMO than defiance though ironically it has much better MMO features.
Whether a game that is online, has the potential to have more than a handful of people in a PvE environment, and has character progression is an MMO or not makes me think there needs to be created a scientific classification for video games.
Kingdom - Entertainment
Phylum - Games
Class - Video (Board, Card, Video, etc)
Order - Console (Arcade, Computer, Console, etc)
Family - Online (Offline only, Online capability)
Genus - Multi-player (Multi-player, Single-player with online components such as stat tracking)
Species - Virtual World (Action, Puzzle, Strategy, Virtual World)
Sub-Species -
1. FPS (games that have first person perspectives)
2. RPG (games with character progression)
3. PVE (games with player vs environment aspects)
4. PVP (games with player vs player aspects)
So Destiny is clearly a OMVW (Online Multiplayer Virtual World) with FPS, RPG, PVE, and PVP flavors. Or in otherwords an OMVWFPSRPGPVEPVP. Or maybe we can all just agree Destiny is a type of MMO. But that would require people to get it out of their heads that MMO doesn't mean "A WoW clone."
I did not read all posts, so dunno if anyone has said this yet.
Think of Destiny as Guild Wars 1 when it comes to the MMO part.
GW1 had hubs where you could see other players. But once you ventured outside of those hubs you were either alone (later on you could hire NPC companions) or you made a group inside a hub to venture with.
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You seriously need to get over gaming taxonomy. It's not like there's some magical thing that happens when something is called an MMO.
League of Legends is an MMO. Did something happen to LoL?
League of Legends is not an MMO. How about now, did anything change?
MMO is a general term these days, no one cares except you. Build a bridge.
Maybe we need a new acronym, I think we know who can help with that.
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Agree - although if things work out as devs are suggesting it won't just blur the line it will redefine it. The bedrock of a "traditional" mmo based on a single server without the failings - server mergers, trains, boss mobs just killed, unable to find a group etc.
This is the most important thread of the game.
But besides that, regarding the last post here...
Why do you always want a party to group with?
Do you like WoW now that you instantly teleport into a dungeon with 4 strangers?
How many friends have you made this way?
I remember when yeah, it could take 3 hours to get one run together. But then you met people who were on at the same time as you, and who played well, and you kept note. You looked for them next time. And became friends.
BUT I retreat from the thread; the only focus is the instant gratification, carry on.
This game is not an MMO. Neither is LoL. MMORPG is a sellout of a website and in doing so even South Park's game can be listed on this site. Not that there's anything wrong with that. People gotta make money.
Really? Always thought that the Warcraft 3 Mod DOTA was the first MOBA.
nah .. just change the meaning of the old acronym .. that is more convenient. It is not like there are a lot of gamers care about the old traditional MMOs anyway.
yeh ... that is what i would say .. i care about if the game is good, not what it is labeled as.
its not an mmo, i find it hilarious that so many think it is. And you know the MMORPG is about money not accuracy anymore its the biggest reason i dont come here as often. but i was i looking up to find out if destiny was a true mmo or not. after everything ive read its not.
just because you can sit in lobby with 200k people doesnt make the game a MMO. stop being retarded.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massively_multiplayer_online_game
A massively multiplayer online game (also called MMO and MMOG) is a multiplayer video game which is capable of supporting large numbers of players simultaneously. By necessity, they are played on the Internet.[1] MMOs usually have at least one persistent world, however some games differ. These games can be found for most network-capable platforms, including the personal computer, video game console, or smartphones and other mobile devices.
MMOGs can enable players to cooperate and compete with each other on a large scale, and sometimes to interact meaningfully with people around the world. They include a variety of gameplay types, representing many video game genres.
Its an mmo but not in the traditional sense. You are able to see other random people in the open world in Destiny, the number of people allowed to see in the open world varies depending on the zone and event, for example in Public Events you are able to see multiple fire teams each with multiple players. The persistent world is shared by massive amounts of players simultaneously, thats what defines an mmo not the amount of players each individual player can see on his screen. in Destiny case it is simultaneous but the limit of players on screen is phased, Neverwinter and ESO uses the same mechanics and those are considered mmos. I dont see any definition that states each player must be capable of seeing a certain number of people on his screen to make it an "mmo"
BF4, CoD multi-player and games like that are not mmos because they do not have persistent worlds where each map is connected by another map and you can just walk between them either seamlessly or through a loading screen. And their servers dont support thousands of players
While there were plently of MOBAs prior to LoL (the Dota mod for WC3 was the most popular), Riot games were indeed the first to refer to the genre as a whole as "mobas". He never said they "invented" mobas, he said they "coined the term", which, they indeed did.
Just like Ultima online. Though you can name a few games that were mmorpgs before UO, lord british was the first to use the term mmorpg to decribe the genre.
As for destiny, iv been playing the beta all day. The game is essentially like Diablo 3. Would you consider D3 an MMO? The only difference between the two is that other players can appear near you while you are outside of a mission.
developers say games are 'ftp' as well.developers say a lot of things that end up not being true. mmo is a game played by multiple people with a persistent world,online.now what part of mmo does destiny NOT fit,is it not online?does it not have multiple people play?is the world not persistent?
*boggle* Wha? Ok I admit I haven't read the 6+ pages of replies because well I've been playing Destiny...Without having people in my fire team, I was still on a map with at least 9 other people....While not massively it is still multiplayer and online....As for the 3rd person shooter...ummm, looks pretty first person view to me...cept when you're in the hub.
I've been playing the beta all day long; no shooting is done in 3rd person. If you wern't blue/MMORPG.com staff, I would assume this was a troll post
Wow, i didnt realise this was a necro....my bad.
it is online,i saw lots of people in the game(yes i played it) you have omg quests,(or missions),you level,you play a anotehr person,frankly i do not see how it is NOT an mmo,it uses guns and no mmo uses guns?but some people do not want to play mmo so they want to call it something else i guess.
they are NOT persistent worlds are they?NO you do a mission and then you wait for another.you cannot walk around the world,as it vanishes.nice try.
The definition of the acronym 'MMO' is listed on page 7 of this thread.
While having a persistent world is common amongst MMOs, it's not a requirement. Unless you're talking to MMO purists on the MMORPG.com forums who believe if a game isn't UO or SWG, it isn't an MMO.
Whether a game that is online, has the potential to have more than a handful of people in a PvE environment, and has character progression is an MMO or not makes me think there needs to be created a scientific classification for video games.
Kingdom - Entertainment
Phylum - Games
Class - Video (Board, Card, Video, etc)
Order - Console (Arcade, Computer, Console, etc)
Family - Online (Offline only, Online capability)
Genus - Multi-player (Multi-player, Single-player with online components such as stat tracking)
Species - Virtual World (Action, Puzzle, Strategy, Virtual World)
Sub-Species -
1. FPS (games that have first person perspectives)
2. RPG (games with character progression)
3. PVE (games with player vs environment aspects)
4. PVP (games with player vs player aspects)
So Destiny is clearly a OMVW (Online Multiplayer Virtual World) with FPS, RPG, PVE, and PVP flavors. Or in otherwords an OMVWFPSRPGPVEPVP. Or maybe we can all just agree Destiny is a type of MMO. But that would require people to get it out of their heads that MMO doesn't mean "A WoW clone."
Who cares if its called an MMO or not.
everyone should read the game descriptions and decide if they think it is fun or not...
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I did not read all posts, so dunno if anyone has said this yet.
Think of Destiny as Guild Wars 1 when it comes to the MMO part.
GW1 had hubs where you could see other players. But once you ventured outside of those hubs you were either alone (later on you could hire NPC companions) or you made a group inside a hub to venture with.