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It’s Friday and that means it’s time for another edition of The Week in RPGs, your weekly breakdown of all things roleplaying games. This week we’re talking Girls Make Games, new extended gameplay video for Dragon Age: Inquisition, Mass Effect 4, Dark Souls 2’s first DLC, Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel invading Borderlands 2, and even a new Final Fantasy game.
Read more of Christopher Coke's The RPG Files: Teenage Girls Create Their First RPG.
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Originally posted by Arskaaa
"when players learned tacticks in dungeon/raids, its bread".
This is a game by girls called The Hole Story. Somebody needs to wake me up I thought it was April the 1st.
Title aside I hope they do well, but then I hope all teens do well in games, not just those society has decided we need to "do something about".
I checked the website, guys are not all scowling faces as the they portray us, if you are going to complain about stereotypes best not to perpetuate them, no?
Luckily, i don't need you to like me to enjoy video games. -nariusseldon.
In F2P I think it's more a case of the game's trying to play the player's. -laserit
I started down this line of thinking after looking at the video. Well, at least 20-30 seconds of it. After the part with the scowling faces, I closed my browser tab.
Listen ladies, I'm all for diversity in the workplace. I work in IT and often lament the lack of female workers. A couple years ago one of my female students asked me why there weren't more females in the field. I shrugged my shoulders and said 'I have no idea!" I would love to see more females taking positions in the tech field, from software to hardware.
Having said all that, the activist attitude of many of these women (including Lela in the video) is that they seem to almost ALWAYS demonize men in general for being pigs and cliquey in the game design industry. Hey, I understand that there are people like that all over. Sometimes it's almost embarrassing to see men who work in my field that have degenerated to lack of personal hygiene and even worse interpersonal skills and language. But to throw the baby out with the bath water in support of more female coders is just as bad - or worse since you recognize the failure in such generalizations - as a male spewing nonsense about a female being inferior or not part of the "club", whatever lame club that is.
The point is that just because a few (or even a lot) of a certain gender act a particular way, it doesn't mean we are ALL that way. I personally aspire to recognize and respect all people in the workplace and think of them based on their merit and ability to perform job functions rather than give special credibility to them based on gender, race, etc.
It hurts the rest of us guys who do act professionally and respectfully in the workplace when you make it look like we are all mad-faced chauvinists. So please, as you aspire to do more and become more and pursue your dreams, remember than there are a LOT of us guys who are great to work with and would be a good support to you as friends and colleagues.
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Very few people hop into designing, writing, or managing AAA games without prior experience. Likewise, there is a disproportionately small amount of women in the development side of the games industry at the current time. This is exactly the kind of thing that will help gaming today and in the future.
My first thought was why should I care if a girl makes a game...how is that news ?
A bunch of teenagers doing it is, but how is a girl any more or less qualified to do it than a man ? People trying too hard to break stereotypes often just create new ones for themselves.
I can see what you're saying about the fear of perpetuating a stereotype but this is an issue that's only recently been receiving attention. To rectify it, there need to be concerted efforts such as these to draw attention but also promote change. I agree with your line of thinking on why this should be a story though. That's an inherent acceptance that, yes, of course men and women are equally capable. Why should it be news if a team of girls makes a video game? The fact is, it is newsworthy and that's what groups like GMG are working to overcome.
I hope that they can meet their goal we need to encourage more bright minds in the future like this group, especially with how young they all are.
Next up...how blacks can actually use the internet for something other than commenting on YouTube songs and making stupid comments on Facebook. More at 11:00. And before someone gets all anal about my comment, I'm 100% black. Oh and this explains why things are the way they are in the industry:
Diversity, in my opinion, will always net gains, in that it makes content creators more aware of when they are being exclusionary. I don't believe this is intentional, but people have a tendency to not look outside of their own demographic. When you are the one creating content, you will seek to add yourself, if only to feel like you are being represented as well.
That also goes for seeking out talent when putting together a team. You can read the rest here. So sure it starts somewhere but like the lady above stated, if you're trying to gear females to take up more industry real estate. Get them ready to deal with becoming infatuations, then tokens, then AA -like baggage and finally targets for workplace animosity. Nice fluff piece though. Gotta make sure my daughter reads this one, she's hellbent on getting in the industry...
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if i meet chrisptober i beat the crap out that noob.
my girlfriend and i have worked building some of the best games there is out there.
Here is the deal ladies and gentlemen having a dick or not means nothing.
it's all about taking the risk testing yourself to the limits the person that do most mistakes will have bigger chance to create something good.
note that nobody know how many black or white peoples making games... it's impossible...
because companies tend too hire outside peoples to support coding that they cannot do... so lets say there is a report of 50 peoples building the game well it could be 300 but they are just making some specific coding the rest of the team are unable to do...... so FAIL
like a old pal used to say in guild wars 2
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This would be an awesome attitude if we were all on some idealized world where people actually were equal, or could depend on their talent to get ahead.
Anyway, I think it's great that teenagers, girls or anyone else who wants to make an RPG actually does it, instead of coming to internet forums and complaining about what's wrong with games.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
I don't understand why this is Girls Make Games is even news. Boys and girls can both do gaming concepts, art, coding, and anything else to do with computing and developing. Not to mention I saw the video with the snip-it and it is not as though they did anything groundbreaking. If this same thing was boys doing it this would be a non story. I applaud the for doing it... but newsworthy? I fail to see the why of this being news.
This is right up there with the woman who posted about the fact Thor is now to be a woman and she was putting down all the male posters and said it was about time they made a female superhero for girls to look up to. When I told her about the plethora of female superheroes already out there (Dazzler, Jean Grey (Phoenix), Wonder Woman, Aurora, Kitty Pride, Darkstar, Invisible Woman, Polaris, and the list goes on) I became the bad guy for indicating there is already a number of strong female role models out there.
I guess I am just a bit too progressive thinking that boys and girls can do similar tasks and its not really a big deal...
So in the end, this whole ridiculous rant not only fails to prove the existence of sexism in the industry, but quite honestly makes you come off as quite a bitter, hostile, narcissistic person who sees 'sexism' in just about any and all unfavorable workplace conditions.
It seems to me that the 'mistreatment' you've suffered is either falsely attributed to sexism, or perhaps outright fabricated.
The only sexism in your story is that which was demonstrated by yourself. Not that I'm surprised. That's what women like you do; if things don't go your way, it's all because of sexism. Note the emphasized part, because I'm sure somebody will come along and accuse me of blanket statements against all women if I don't immediately point out that I'm merely referring to a specific subgroup.
Furthermore, I'm neither saying nor implying that sexism in the workplace doesn't happen at all, I'm merely pointing out that in this case, and plenty of other cases, there is little to no evidence to support the idea that sexism is or was involved.
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I have no interest in playing this game.
Not because it is made by girls, but because its part of the 8bit epidemic that seems to be cropping up this year.
My GTX780 is offended by all these NES rehashes,
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Let me spell it out to you and the others making similar 'progressive' statements as to why you're not seeing why it's news.
There's roughly 10% of the game industry out there who are female. 1 in 10 game development workers are women. Way less than that are in the programming side. There's a lot of planners, managers, and now artists who are female, but they don't get into the nitty gritty world of hardcore game design & programming because they're told that they can't. Not directly told, but it's a force out there.
Girls in grade school are top students in math. In North America by the time they finish high school only about 10% honor in math... Same goes for college. The reason being is there's a lot of unspoken pressure that math & computer science is what boys do. Drawing and HR is what girls do.
This being news, going out there for people to read shows a direct contradiction to assumptions. You may not see the assumptions, you seem aloof to plenty of things by your comments.
Having an industry made up by nearly equal amounts of male & female users, but only influenced at a 9:1 ratio doesn't make for good business in the long run.
This is news because it needs to be seen by males & females so they can see that it isn't true. If we leave it unsaid then all of the things unsaid will be assumed and will be false.
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Care to cite your sources where you say there are a lot more than 10% of programmers who are women ? Reason is that I am a proffesional SW developer and have been for the last 10 years and I can tell you that there is easily less than 10% of the people I have worked with who are SW developers and women. Most women, in my line of work, are project managers, web designers, usability experts and similar. Programmers, they are (mostly) not.
And the notion that just because your clients are a certain gender then your business need to be of the same gender does not hold true in every industry out there, so why gaming?
And I would like to see some proof that "they are told that they cant" get into game development. Sounds like feminist propaganda to me. I want to get into gaming development but I cant for two reasons. I am not good enough in C/C++ and I dont have enough connections to get into that business. And Im a male.
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