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threefeetthreefeet FunafutiPosts: 156Member

ran into a lot of games last few years that have tons of solo quests that are impossible without several people with you, making them un-soloable. those arent soloable quests. most people say 'join a guild' or 'ask a friend'. im not going to join a guild just to get people to help me on a quest or two. most of you gamers are self-centered douchebags but i put up with you because im in the game with you. people cant even be new and ask simple questions without some turd popping up with a smart ass remark, as if he is l33t when the game was released last freakin month. (thats not just on the obvious new wildstar, this happens in every game i have ever seen and been on)

 

heres the deal. i dont play these games to make friends with you, i dont play these games to join guilds. when im told i am on a pve game that has no grouping required, i expect to be able to solo these quests, unless they are clearly marked for not solo. so instead of hearing in-game from people 'join a guild' or 'find some friends' when you havent even been on the game long enough to meet anyone, when you cant get through a quest, how about an ability to drop an in-game tix for something in the world thats blocking progress, meanwhile posting on the website and in the EULA that guild membership is required to play these games that arent all soloable if you arent going to make them actually soloable.

 

i dont like skipping quests that might be hard, in fact the tougher the better. im talking about those that are genuinely impossible doesnt matter what gear you have, if youre the right level you cannot get through it. most of them give you decent loot for your level when you finish the chains, but if its impossible to solo, you dont get that gear you need, and are forced to find another way to level. that sucks, you miss out on that gear and have to look elsewhere. and i absolutely HATE being forced to do that. atm i have a granok lvl 13, havent had a weapon drop in 5 levels. im seriously starting to get my ass kicked with the weak weapon i cant find a replacement for. the city doesnt carry weapons my level, and again im new, i dont know anyone at all to go up to someone and ask if theyre weaponsmiths and can make one, not that i have much coin anyway.

 

i finish what i start; however, i have no problem with dropping a game that will not allow me to finish what i start in it, when the only way to get through an obstacle is by doing what i understood i wouldnt have to do, or by going around it.

 

edit: ok here you go, im going to break it down for you. Massively - huge. Multiplayer - many people. Online - on the internet.

MMO - there is nothing in that that says these games are created for groups of people to do IN GROUPS.

So for those of you who replied saying things like 'its an mmo', and that means......? certainly doesnt mean grouping is required now does it?

im going to break down the other half of that while im here. R - Role. P - Playing. Game - Duh.

for all of those who have forced most rp'ers off to obscure corners of their cities or maps to role play, YOU are in an RPG game, if you dont like the role playing in an RPG, feel free to leave. no sense in making separate servers for role players when the entire genre has RPG in it.

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  • sacredcow4sacredcow4 Amherst, OHPosts: 193Member

    Not to be that guy... but get a solo game if you want to experience everything the game has to offer solo.

    Expect to need to play with multiple people in a multiplayer game in order to experience the full game.

    This should not need to be put on the box. This should be implied.

    Heaven and Hell is debatable - Karma is not.

  • PurutzilPurutzil East Stroudsburg, PAPosts: 2,923Member Uncommon

    So what you are saying is, dumb it down, make it a single player game and screw any sense of players working together for JUST YOU, in a MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER ONLINE game? No offense but its quite childish on your part. Games that are for many people are SUPPOSE to have content that groups can only do. Its what MMos are able to provide us the chance to have. The group dynamic and difficulty makes things fun and interesting rather then stale and the same.

    Deal with the fact you can't finish everything, or go back and do it once your way over the level/gear/ect to solo it. Unless a game is Single player with a Multiplayer co-op you can do and is enforced to do for certain content, whining about it in a game designed to be played with others is silly, specially when a good majority of the content is able to be done Solo.

     

    This btw, is coming from someone who often times plays much of his times in MMO solo, very rarely grouping besides for group specific content.

  • FelixMajorFelixMajor London, ONPosts: 576Member
    Originally posted by threefeet

     most of you gamers are self-centered douchebags but i put up with you because im in the game with you.

     

    heres the deal. i dont play these games to make friends with you, i dont play these games to join guilds. when im told i am on a pve game that has no grouping required, i expect to be able to solo these quests

    Originally posted by Arskaaa
    "when players learned tacticks in dungeon/raids, its bread".

  • alkarionlogalkarionlog SPosts: 1,124Member Uncommon

    this post is so damn funny I need to comment^^

     

    if trolling nice way in doing so lol, you made the all might and powerfull kid who parents are never at home and to solve this and they give money to the kid do whatever he want.

     

    if you are really serious, no one cares about you, we sure don't want you playing with us, and MMORPG are not for you, try to play cod, I heard it a rad for kids around your age

     

     

    btw nice irony right on this LOL

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  • sacredcow4sacredcow4 Amherst, OHPosts: 193Member
    Originally posted by threefeet

    i finish what i start; however, i have no problem with dropping a game that will not allow me to finish what i start

    Possibly the best quote I've ever had the privilege to post.

    Heaven and Hell is debatable - Karma is not.

  • AeonbladesAeonblades Home, GAPosts: 2,083Member
    And here we see what is wrong with the MMO genre today. Look, and weep, for the future is grim.

    Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV
    Have played: You name it
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  • FelixMajorFelixMajor London, ONPosts: 576Member

    You're a real gem man.

    Why don't you just cut the crap and find a guild you enjoy spending time with?  Then you will never have to worry about anyone else?  You could even turn off global chats.

    This post is ridiculous - while I do agree the amount of snark remarks people make online, and the amount of shitheadedness is over my tolerance, doesn't mean the good folks don't exist.

    Play with people you like it will only enhance your experience.

    Originally posted by Arskaaa
    "when players learned tacticks in dungeon/raids, its bread".

  • TankYou88TankYou88 , ALPosts: 310Member

    They have these things called Single player games, those are for single players. They also have a thing called Massive Multiplayer games, those are to play with others.

     

  • FoobarxFoobarx Poway, CAPosts: 451Member

    You mean like this one?

     

    "ESRB NOTICE:

    GAME EXPERIENCE MAY CHANGE DURING ONLINE PLAY."

     

     

  • cerulean2012cerulean2012 Colorado Springs, COPosts: 367Member Uncommon

    Hmmm.... I play an MMO but don't want to play with others and some things are to hard for me to solo so the devs need to state that groups/guilds might be required to play.....

    OK, being as nice as I can at this time I will echo what others have said.....play solo RPG games, stay away from MMOs.

  • DarLorkarDarLorkar Texarkana, TXPosts: 700Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by alkarionlog

    this post is so damn funny I need to comment^^

     

    if trolling nice way in doing so lol, you made the all might and powerfull kid who parents are never at home and to solve this and they give money to the kid do whatever he want.

     

    if you are really serious, no one cares about you, we sure don't want you playing with us, and MMORPG are not for you, try to play cod, I heard it a rad for kids around your age

     

     

    btw nice irony right on this LOL

    Sorry but what rock you been living under lately?

     

    Just about every  MMO that has released in last 4 years or so are ALL solo play with a bit of group thrown in at end.  So who needs to get a clue here?  And who are the devs making the games for? Hmm ?

     

    Even games that claim to be "harder" are most often toned down quite fast after launch.  MMO does not mean group play anymore, for the most part, just means come play the game solo, and see others doing the same.

  • tawesstawess LkpgPosts: 2,532Member Uncommon

    I would guess the "Multiplayer" part of the name would be enough.

     

     

  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAPosts: 18,452Member Uncommon

    Though I would agree with you in that there are a lot of bad players, my thought it "do your research".

    I'm constantly amazed with the complaining, bitchign, moaning, crying, etc.

    My first mmo was lineage 2. I wasn't even looking for a social gaming platform, I just wanted a more permanent "world" type of game.

     

    I liked the look of it but read all about it and realized it wasn't really going to be the game for me with the huge grind, huge money grind and open world pk'ing. But I wanted to at least see what an mmo was like. So I played it and ended up not only playing it pretty hardcore but also playing it for 4+ years.

    Point is, I went in very prepared. No surprises.

    MMO's are social games. Even if there are solo activities or a lot of social activities. If it doesn't enter into your mind that there might be a social aspect to the game play then you aren't doing your due diligence.

  • NellusNellus Groton, CTPosts: 247Member
    Originally posted by threefeet

    i dont like skipping quests that might be hard, in fact the tougher the better. im talking about those that are genuinely impossible doesnt matter what gear you have, if youre the right level you cannot get through it. most of them give you decent loot for your level when you finish the chains, but if its impossible to solo, you dont get that gear you need, and are forced to find another way to level.

    I'll assume trolling, but just in case...

    If developers made it so anyone could solo all the quests, regardless of their skill, the difficulty would be extremely low. In fact, that's what has happened in most games out there. So, if you're doing a quest that is supposed to be soloable but you can't do it... you may just suck at the game.

    - Nellus

  • NadiaNadia Canonsburg, PAPosts: 11,866Member Common
    Originally posted by Foobarx

    "ESRB NOTICE:

    GAME EXPERIENCE MAY CHANGE DURING ONLINE PLAY."

  • threefeetthreefeet FunafutiPosts: 156Member
    Originally posted by sacredcow4

    Not to be that guy... but get a solo game if you want to experience everything the game has to offer solo.

    Expect to need to play with multiple people in a multiplayer game in order to experience the full game.

    This should not need to be put on the box. This should be implied.

     

    there is absolutely nothing in this game saying it cant be played solo. multiplayer does not mean you group with people, multiplayer means you are in the world with others, so there is not one thing implying grouping in that. most people ARE doing it solo. but they are also in guilds.

    same thing with all of you people who ridicule rp'ers and force them into obscure sections of the cities or maps to do what they wish. the game has mmoRPG in it. if you dont like role playing, wtf are you even on the game for?

  • threefeetthreefeet FunafutiPosts: 156Member
    Originally posted by Purutzil

    So what you are saying is, dumb it down, make it a single player game and screw any sense of players working together for JUST YOU, in a MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER ONLINE game? No offense but its quite childish on your part. Games that are for many people are SUPPOSE to have content that groups can only do. Its what MMos are able to provide us the chance to have. The group dynamic and difficulty makes things fun and interesting rather then stale and the same.

    Deal with the fact you can't finish everything, or go back and do it once your way over the level/gear/ect to solo it. Unless a game is Single player with a Multiplayer co-op you can do and is enforced to do for certain content, whining about it in a game designed to be played with others is silly, specially when a good majority of the content is able to be done Solo.

     

    This btw, is coming from someone who often times plays much of his times in MMO solo, very rarely grouping besides for group specific content.

     

    no, thats not what im saying, you clearly chose the parts of what i posted to reply to instead of taking it as a whole.  but im not going to argue with you since you all seem to think mmo means 'grouping', instead of actually meaning youre in the world with everyone else, there is absolutely nothing in mmo that means grouping.

  • AeonbladesAeonblades Home, GAPosts: 2,083Member
    Originally posted by threefeet
    Originally posted by Purutzil

    So what you are saying is, dumb it down, make it a single player game and screw any sense of players working together for JUST YOU, in a MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER ONLINE game? No offense but its quite childish on your part. Games that are for many people are SUPPOSE to have content that groups can only do. Its what MMos are able to provide us the chance to have. The group dynamic and difficulty makes things fun and interesting rather then stale and the same.

    Deal with the fact you can't finish everything, or go back and do it once your way over the level/gear/ect to solo it. Unless a game is Single player with a Multiplayer co-op you can do and is enforced to do for certain content, whining about it in a game designed to be played with others is silly, specially when a good majority of the content is able to be done Solo.

     

    This btw, is coming from someone who often times plays much of his times in MMO solo, very rarely grouping besides for group specific content.

     

    no, thats not what im saying, you clearly chose the parts of what i posted to reply to instead of taking it as a whole.  but im not going to argue with you since you all seem to think mmo means 'grouping', instead of actually meaning youre in the world with everyone else, there is absolutely nothing in mmo that means grouping.

    That's the thing though. Why play a multiplayer game if you don't interact with the other players, grouping or not grouping? It's an MMO so that you can play together, not so you can play solo.

    Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV
    Have played: You name it
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  • TankYou88TankYou88 , ALPosts: 310Member
    Originally posted by threefeet
    Originally posted by sacredcow4

    Not to be that guy... but get a solo game if you want to experience everything the game has to offer solo.

    Expect to need to play with multiple people in a multiplayer game in order to experience the full game.

    This should not need to be put on the box. This should be implied.

     

    there is absolutely nothing in this game saying it cant be played solo. multiplayer does not mean you group with people, multiplayer means you are in the world with others, so there is not one thing implying grouping in that. most people ARE doing it solo. but they are also in guilds.

    same thing with all of you people who ridicule rp'ers and force them into obscure sections of the cities or maps to do what they wish. the game has mmoRPG in it. if you dont like role playing, wtf are you even on the game for?

    Dont skip over the MMO part. Its still an MMO, you chose to play with other people. You chose to buy a game that has grouping elements in it, as far as I know of no MMO can be solod. You cant kill 20 max lvl characters, you cant kill the end game boss. You need other people for MMOs, if you dont like that then dont play them. 

  • NephaeriusNephaerius Baltimore, MDPosts: 1,539Member Uncommon
    @OP I'm only lvl 20 and I have solo'd every single quest available except the one that's clearly marked as being for a group dungeon.... Idk what game you're playing but it's not Wildstar.

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  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 13,638Member Uncommon

    Interesting.

    Hi.

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  • greenreengreenreen Punchoo, AKPosts: 2,101Member Uncommon

    I feel your vibe OP.

    I don't go looking for friends in these games either.

    I interact with other people by telling them things I've learned when they ask a question or accept the same in return. We might debate skills or patches and changes to the game. We may buy and sell things from each other or trade with each other. I PVP against some of them. That's what differentiates the MMO from the single player game - it's a chat room along with a game. And for some it's a place to role play - these are after all MMORPGs but people keep forgetting that. It's not about grouping for all of us and never has been.

    Multiplayer does not mean forced grouping and it doesn't mean all players are grouped to be playing. Just the fact that games don't have over 100 person groups proves that they never expect us ALL to play together on the server.

    There are reasons to interact with MMO players which don't require grouping, that's interaction. You don't have to be a social butterfly to play these games. They don't get sold in fives in the stores but as a single box. You login alone too. Never have you logged in and it required 5 people in your guild or friends list to also be online for you to enter.

    Logic trumps assumption. Just because the majority of the world are extroverts quit trying to pressure the people who are introverts to change.

    I think both your complaint and your playstyle are valid and neither should be chastized. My solution though is non-existent.

  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAPosts: 18,452Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by threefeet
     

     

    there is absolutely nothing in this game saying it cant be played solo. multiplayer does not mean you group with people, multiplayer means you are in the world with others, so there is not one thing implying grouping in that. most people ARE doing it solo. but they are also in guilds.

     

    That's not so at all. Multi-player can mean anything. By whose definition does multiplayer mean only "being in the same world as you?"

     

  • alkarionlogalkarionlog SPosts: 1,124Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DarLorkar
    Originally posted by alkarionlog

    this post is so damn funny I need to comment^^

     

    if trolling nice way in doing so lol, you made the all might and powerfull kid who parents are never at home and to solve this and they give money to the kid do whatever he want.

     

    if you are really serious, no one cares about you, we sure don't want you playing with us, and MMORPG are not for you, try to play cod, I heard it a rad for kids around your age

     

     

    btw nice irony right on this LOL

    Sorry but what rock you been living under lately?

     

    Just about every  MMO that has released in last 4 years or so are ALL solo play with a bit of group thrown in at end.  So who needs to get a clue here?  And who are the devs making the games for? Hmm ?

     

    Even games that claim to be "harder" are most often toned down quite fast after launch.  MMO does not mean group play anymore, for the most part, just means come play the game solo, and see others doing the same.

    whoa we have a sour dude here, 

    I don't care what you think or what the devs do, sure when the money is all it matter they made a nice flashy game captalize the most they can drop it in a corner milk it, then in 3 or 4 years turn the server down because they new game will be out next week

     

    I don't pick a hard game since around 2000, and when they turn the game too easy for me taste I move to the next, and hey I play solo most of time, but when a quest or my guildies need people I join or to help or to do what I want, hell sometimes when the game is more skill I do it alone even on group quests because I CAN

     

    but sure I don't go out on forums trolling about hey I hate you gamers and don't wnat to be friends with you (new flash ass**** you are a gamer) but hey since you should be like that kind of guy who feel buthurt about anything, go annoy someone who care about you ^^

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  • Abuz0rAbuz0r Lexington, KYPosts: 354Member Uncommon

    If what you're talking about is that you want to have a completely solo'able game with the option of grouping, then you'll need to find a niche game that fits your needs.  Big box titles are just games that fit the overall expectations of the gaming community.  Niche games have styles which some find offensive but others find perfect.

    By the way, ESO is very single-player minded, compared with other MMO games.

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