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What is the worst common feature in modern MMOs?

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  • WightyWighty Westbury, NYMember Posts: 698 Uncommon
    Originally posted by bartliolio
    Originally posted by xAPOCx
    The worst common feature is this...                       

    So does this mean you'd prefer to have to speak to each npc individually to find out what their "quests" are? Not saying that's a bad thing, but this is a feature that's even bled into traditional RPGS and Action RPGS. 

    What is the alternative you'd prefer?

    In the days of old, NPC's used to have dialogue with you as you walked by... Think DAOC, EQ... It was not voiced but you saw a chat bubble or test indicating they had something to say besides "nice weather today"

     

    This makes moving through town and engaging NPCs have purpose other than playing connect the dots or in this case "!"

    What are your other Hobbies?

    Gaming is Dirt Cheap compared to this...

  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Nashville, TNMember Posts: 1,275 Rare
    Originally posted by Wighty
    Originally posted by bartliolio
    Originally posted by xAPOCx
    The worst common feature is this...                       

    So does this mean you'd prefer to have to speak to each npc individually to find out what their "quests" are? Not saying that's a bad thing, but this is a feature that's even bled into traditional RPGS and Action RPGS. 

    What is the alternative you'd prefer?

    In the days of old, NPC's used to have dialogue with you as you walked by... Think DAOC, EQ... It was not voiced but you saw a chat bubble or test indicating they had something to say besides "nice weather today"

     

    This makes moving through town and engaging NPCs have purpose other than playing connect the dots or in this case "!"

    That's a MUCH better system than the exclamation points.  But then people would actually have to pay attention, because it wouldn't be a gaudy color that looks extremely out of place in the game world for the sole purpose of getting the player's attention.

     

    Because that's what it's come to.

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  • xAPOCxxAPOCx Vineland, NJMember Posts: 869
    Originally posted by MadFrenchie
    Originally posted by Wighty
    Originally posted by bartliolio
    Originally posted by xAPOCx
    The worst common feature is this...                       

    So does this mean you'd prefer to have to speak to each npc individually to find out what their "quests" are? Not saying that's a bad thing, but this is a feature that's even bled into traditional RPGS and Action RPGS. 

    What is the alternative you'd prefer?

    In the days of old, NPC's used to have dialogue with you as you walked by... Think DAOC, EQ... It was not voiced but you saw a chat bubble or test indicating they had something to say besides "nice weather today"

     

    This makes moving through town and engaging NPCs have purpose other than playing connect the dots or in this case "!"

    That's a MUCH better system than the exclamation points.  But then people would actually have to pay attention, because it wouldn't be a gaudy color that looks extremely out of place in the game world for the sole purpose of getting the player's attention.

     

    Because that's what it's come to.

    I believe that this bright, pos above the heads of npcs was the beginning of the end.

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  • Cramit845Cramit845 Port Ewen, NYMember Posts: 394 Uncommon

    removal of grouping/social interaction

     - Pretty much this has taken the massively multiplayer right out of MMO's.  Glorified single player lobby games is what the genre keeps heading towards and many people seem to be completely ok with it.  Most of them, I would bet, never played during the prime time of MMO's, so they have no idea what they're missing.  This also takes away from hard content and fosters the instant gratification crowd rather than the long term MMO gamer.

    Raids/15min dungeons should not be the first and only grouping experience in a game that is MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER.

  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAMember Posts: 14,247 Rare
    Loot drops.

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  • cmorris975cmorris975 San Jose, CAMember Posts: 189 Uncommon
    Instancing.  It is not an MMO when you are by yourself or just with your group in an instance.  I understand the reasons for it, but for me the negatives outweigh the positives when it comes to instances.
  • DeathFromAboveDeathFromAbove LOS ANGELES, CAMember Posts: 107 Uncommon
    l don't like cash shops, and l don't really care for personal stories to last so long or have them at all, because why should you group when you have to do your personal story all the way to your level cap. Everybody is busy doing their own thing and so are you.
  • Loke666Loke666 MalmöMember Posts: 19,281 Rare

    Daily quests is my top one as well. It is just lazy devs who want to add many hours grinding with little work for them.

    There are also features that ain't bad in themselves but  are overused or used in the completely wrong way. Like cut scenes and phasing. Phasing was brilliantly used in LOTRO to simulate that certain cities were destroyed as you progressed in the timeline but other games use it to split up the players and making me feel alone.

    Cutscenes can be used to set the mode for telling the main story and if they are short, to introduce some new things but many games overuse them so that instead of adding to the immersion they break it and annoy the #¤%& out of me while doing it.

    These 2 features used now and then are good but when you overuse them it totally screws up the game.

  • daltaniousdaltanious waMember Posts: 2,282 Uncommon
    Originally posted by xAPOCx
    The worst common feature is this...                       

    One of the beast actually. Instead of playing something actually one had to ask 99 npc before getting something usefull info.

     

    Most hated or disliked are: being forced to use WASD instead of mouse to move, only 1 toolbar for active skills, 1st person view ....

    From rest what I hate are mondatory daily quests, "random dynamic events", ... etc ... because nothing beats old good quests Wow style.

    Never liked cash shops.

    Hated to do regular quest chain that ended with ultra elite boss. And nobody to be found around to help, chatting for hours some time trying to get help, ...

    There are many things ... but for me all main games developed to better. It is impossible everyone would love every change ... but as long as I have Wow, Swtor, ... my gaming needs are covered. Only games I can immagine to play to end of my days. :-)

  • CleffyCleffy San Diego, CAMember Posts: 5,190 Uncommon

    Trinity

    Shallow strategy and combat systems.

  • AkulasAkulas GoldcoastMember Posts: 1,871 Uncommon
    Not just dailies but daily caps because sometimes I have time to power game and can't when I'm capped.

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  • CaldrinCaldrin CwmbranMember Posts: 4,505 Uncommon

    instances...

    Playing an MMORPG i want to be part of a huge world not a small instance of 30 people..

    That and cash shops/f2p games... please bring back subs..

  • MavolenceMavolence Appleton, WIMember Posts: 633 Uncommon
    Originally posted by Nadia
    private instancing / phasing - where you can see only your group and no one else

    Instancing no one else can enter.

    Honorable Mention: Lobby games or cluttered narrow tube worlds

  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember Posts: 12,194 Epic

    Naturally everyone has their own view on what is the worst feature in most MMOs. Mine is rather different.

    For me its the 3rd person view.

  • LugorsLugors EarthMember Posts: 184 Uncommon

    Limited skill sets.

     

     

    Why give my 20+ abilities if I can only equip 4 to 8 at a time.  This load out concept is borrowed from the FPS world, and gives the veneer of complexity when it does nothing but limit experimentation and promotes cookie cutter builds.  There is almost no room for situational abilities because I need to have the action bar that gives me the most damage, or the most flexibility.

  • SevalaSevala K, NYMember Posts: 188 Uncommon

    Either linear character progression (aka no customization, aka classes, aka cookie cutter builds, aka 3 stupid talent trees)

    or...

    Cashshops...ugh...so annoying....so expensive...so game breaking on so many levels.

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  • FoobarxFoobarx Poway, CAMember Posts: 451

    The account login screen... there I said it.  Dare I be the one to expose the truth!  The number one flaw in any game is the game itself.  

     

    They should have a warning screen instead...  "Enter this game at your own risk!  Be forewarned that others in this game will attempt to harass you with guild invites, gold spam, Chuck Norris jokes, ganking, and whatever else they can dream up of.  If you build a house, they will burn it down.  If you plant a farm, they will desecrate it.  If you put up an auction, they will undercut it.  If you enter a battleground, they will all stand around until it ends.  You will be phased, instanced, cloned, and whatever else is necessary to make the game appear playable, populated, or full.  We reserve the right to nerf anything and everything at will, change the direction of the game at any time, and change the business model when it financially suits us.  Welcome to Hello Kitty Online!"

  • SevalaSevala K, NYMember Posts: 188 Uncommon
    Originally posted by Foobarx
    The account login screen... there I said it.  Dare I be the one to expose the truth!  The number one flaw in any game is the game itself.     They should have a warning screen instead...  "Enter this game at your own risk!  Be forewarned that others in this game will attempt to harass you with guild invites, gold spam, Chuck Norris jokes, ganking, and whatever else they can dream up of.  If you build a house, they will burn it down.  If you plant a farm, they will desecrate it.  If you put up an auction, they will undercut it.  If you enter a battleground, they will all stand around until it ends.  You will be phased, instanced, cloned, and whatever else is necessary to make the game appear playable, populated, or full.  We reserve the right to nerf anything and everything at will, change the direction of the game at any time, and change the business model when it financially suits us.  Welcome to Hello Kitty Online!"

     

    First....lol.

    Second...I wanna change my answer already. THIS^^^^

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  • HarikenHariken Brighton, MAMember Posts: 1,377 Uncommon
    Originally posted by bartliolio
    Originally posted by xAPOCx
    The worst common feature is this...                       

    So does this mean you'd prefer to have to speak to each npc individually to find out what their "quests" are? Not saying that's a bad thing, but this is a feature that's even bled into traditional RPGS and Action RPGS. 

    What is the alternative you'd prefer?

    I have always love Anarchy onlines mission terminals. Or a quest npc directing you to someone else who needs help. But that would mean adding more text or voice over work.  But the wow way is cheaper. And makes rushing threw a bunch of quest in a area easier. No need to read anything.

  • DrunkWolfDrunkWolf Member Posts: 1,260 Uncommon

    quest hubs, instancing in any form, general chat, dungeon finders, classes, CC, stealth, and these generic loot systems.

    Random loot needs to be the future, see Asherons Call for details on how to make a loot system.

  • loulakiloulaki PatrasMember Posts: 938 Uncommon

    the fact that every player will save the world

    global market

    instanced zones

    levels

    armor restrictions

    RvR pvp

     

    is there any MMORPG which don't include these? yes like Black Desert online, EVE online

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  • NadiaNadia Topsham, MaineMember Posts: 11,866 Uncommon
    Originally posted by Foobarx
    The account login screen... there I said it.  Dare I be the one to expose the truth!  The number one flaw in any game is the game itself.   They should have a warning screen instead...  "Enter this game at your own risk!  Be forewarned that others in this game will attempt to harass you with guild invites, gold spam, Chuck Norris jokes, ganking, and whatever else they can dream up of.  If you build a house, they will burn it down.  If you plant a farm, they will desecrate it.  If you put up an auction, they will undercut it.  If you enter a battleground, they will all stand around until it ends.   You will be phased, instanced, cloned, and whatever else is necessary to make the game appear playable, populated, or full.  We reserve the right to nerf anything and everything at will, change the direction of the game at any time, and change the business model when it financially suits us. 

    heh - i remember thinking to myself when i picked up EQ box back in 1999 at a local EBgame store

     

    online gaming will lead you down the white rabbit hole ..

  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard La BarreMember Posts: 5,742 Epic
    Originally posted by Wighty
    Originally posted by bartliolio
    Originally posted by xAPOCx
    The worst common feature is this...                       

    So does this mean you'd prefer to have to speak to each npc individually to find out what their "quests" are? Not saying that's a bad thing, but this is a feature that's even bled into traditional RPGS and Action RPGS. 

    What is the alternative you'd prefer?

    In the days of old, NPC's used to have dialogue with you as you walked by... Think DAOC, EQ... It was not voiced but you saw a chat bubble or test indicating they had something to say besides "nice weather today"

     

    This makes moving through town and engaging NPCs have purpose other than playing connect the dots or in this case "!"

    Just like Dynamic Events in GW2, which confuse many "WoW clone" players. NPCs often run to you to ask for help, or trouble simply happens. I like that much better than linear "WoW clone" style questing.

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  • Cod_EyeCod_Eye jarrowMember Posts: 1,016

    What is the worst common feature in modern MMOs?

     

    Casual players.  They have caused everything which is wrong with open world MMO's today.

  • Joseph_KerrJoseph_Kerr Member Posts: 958 Uncommon

    For me its quest hubs, hands down. I dont understand the logic in creating an entire game world only to have it play out like levels/boards similar to Nintendo games from the 80's, the only difference being 3D and a false sense of freedom. Is it unrealistic of me to believe that with all the knowledge gained and resources spent on these games we cant get a game world that actually simulates and evolves? I dont know, wish in one hand, right?

     

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