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[Preview] H1Z1: Color Me Optimistic

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  • strykr619strykr619 San Diego, CAPosts: 144Member Uncommon
    Writer of this article hasn't kept up to date, SOE annouced on reddit that game will have different servers with different rules aka  permadeath server, no guns, pve only, roleplay etcetc....  
  • tawesstawess LkpgPosts: 2,535Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by strykr619
    Writer of this article hasn't kept up to date, SOE annouced on reddit that game will have different servers with different rules aka  permadeath server, no guns, pve only, roleplay etcetc....  

    That was a given from day one unless you like your total population to stay a four digit number.

     

    Any way as i posted back on the first page... Going by what we know now it is not unfair to call it a spiritual successor. It has many of the components of SWG minus the setting and the IP.

     

    So let´s be honest... It is not like SoE treated any classes apart from the combat ones particularly well... And the further removed from combat you where the worse it gets... How do i know... My main was a Image Designer/Tailor and my alt was a entertainer... .. . The ID content was never finished... The Entertainer was given up on and the devs simply just told people to get a buff-mule instead.

    Tailors ha NO real updates beyond what was bare essential when a new race was introduced.

     

    So i would not touch a new SWG game with a 10 foot pole... I do not very much enjoy playing a game where the developer flat out says that they cant figure out a way to make your playstyle appealing in any way to they will just recommend people to bot your path instead. H1Z1 at least does not seem to have that problem for now. It will perhaps have but for now it is actually looking fairly well.

  • TalonsinTalonsin Posts: 1,468Member Uncommon

    The market for hardcore perma-death pvp MMO's is so small, I don't know why a big development house like SOE would try to get into it.  As a MOD, not a full fledged MMO, Day-Z was great but none of the games since have had any traction...  War-Z, Rust, Nether, Day-Z full, each one attracts extreme hacking and only a small dedicated customer base. 

     

    I don't understand this game, the crafting looks great but if I die I lose all my mats and recipes and have to start over.  Why would I bother with the crafting system when I know that the next time I play I could lose all my progress?  If they have a server with a ruleset that allows me to keep the recipes and mats I learned/earned, I may give it a try but sticking a complex crafting system into a perma-death pvp game is just poor game design.

  • DarLorkarDarLorkar Texarkana, TXPosts: 702Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Talonsin

    The market for hardcore perma-death pvp MMO's is so small, I don't know why a big development house like SOE would try to get into it.  As a MOD, not a full fledged MMO, Day-Z was great but none of the games since have had any traction...  War-Z, Rust, Nether, Day-Z full, each one attracts extreme hacking and only a small dedicated customer base. 

     

    I don't understand this game, the crafting looks great but if I die I lose all my mats and recipes and have to start over.  Why would I bother with the crafting system when I know that the next time I play I could lose all my progress?  If they have a server with a ruleset that allows me to keep the recipes and mats I learned/earned, I may give it a try but sticking a complex crafting system into a perma-death pvp game is just poor game design.

    Ya me too,  on the i do not understand this. I foresee a great disturbance in the force.. think it will be named  NGE 2

  • WizardryWizardry Ontario, CanadaPosts: 8,441Member Uncommon

    Why does SOE have to be so misleading?This is NOT perma death,this is nothing more than what every game does,it is a penalty for fake dying,just more harsh than most.Mounds...foot lockers,pretty weak design you ask me,they can do MUCH better.

    I would like to hear about what the game offers for fun,some hardcore penalty does not bring the fun.

    IMO this is just SOE trying to reach out to a certain market that they believe is not yet flooded.However they tried that kids game to hit that market and failed,they tried the TCG market and failed,we already know the changes in swg that failed,SOE is receiving some real poor direction,idk if it is all Smedley but they are not being lead very well.


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  • DistopiaDistopia Baltimore, MDPosts: 16,905Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DMKano

    Color me pissed off - this is for us SWG fans remember....

    A zombie survival game 

    For SWG fans.....

    Yeah color me "big middle finger" to this slap in the face.

    Do not claim "us" in such posts please... It was Smedly for ^&*(% sake.  nothing but a walking sales pitch, do you get this mad at Keloggs when you don't enjoy your frosted flakes?

    Who the heck gets this mad about sales pitches, it kinda shows signs of belief in them. That's on you...

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  • KoroshiyaKoroshiya Pacific, WAPosts: 250Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Dauzqul

    What!? This is the game that Smed was talking about when he mentioned "a new home for SWG fans"?

    Wow! When I first heard about this game, I thought they were a bit late, as the whole Zombie / Undead fad is nearly over. I mean...  it's like some chick waking up today and wanting to purchase a "New Moon" T-shirt.

    Yes.  What he meant wasn't another Scifi IP, or Star Wars IP, he meant a game based on the same basic design ideas that made SWG what it was.  I won't try to speak for most of the players, but I only know of a couple people in my guild on starsider that only played the game because it was star wars IP.  Majority of players played longer then average because they loved the systems in place that allowed the things that made swg be great.  It wasn't the lightsabers or blaster pistols I will tell you that! =D

     
     

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  • BunnykingBunnyking NowherePosts: 114Member Uncommon

    Microtransaction gear and permadeath? Lol, awesome combo.  How can anyone think that's a viable business model?

  • sk8chalifsk8chalif Montreal, QCPosts: 599Member Uncommon
    gear= Cosmetic,

    image
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  • LawlmonsterLawlmonster Dallas, TXPosts: 953Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Talonsin

    I don't understand this game, the crafting looks great but if I die I lose all my mats and recipes and have to start over.  Why would I bother with the crafting system when I know that the next time I play I could lose all my progress?  If they have a server with a ruleset that allows me to keep the recipes and mats I learned/earned, I may give it a try but sticking a complex crafting system into a perma-death pvp game is just poor game design.

    It works just fine with Project Zomboid, though that has to do with a loss of character skill levels rather than crafting recipes, and I could argue that's a bit more rough (talking hours to develop a single skill, some far longer). While I can understand why people might have a knee jerk reaction to perma-death related mechanics, if there's nothing to lose in the process of a character's death, then there's no point in making it permanent. Some people might be instantly turned off by this idea, and that's alright: there are handfuls of games that don't require you to suffer through perma-death mechanics if you don't want to experience that.

     

    I think it's going to work just fine, as a design choice, and it's worked fine in games before it. This is probably the least of my concerns regarding H1Z1, though, since we're talking about a product that already has a successful and much larger audience (DayZ) as its direct competitor.

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  • BruhzaBruhza Omaha, NEPosts: 279Member
    Originally posted by DMKano

    Color me pissed off - this is for us SWG fans remember....

    A zombie survival game 

    For SWG fans.....

    Yeah color me "big middle finger" to this slap in the face.

    What if they reskinned it and made the zombies into rakghouls.

     

    Joking aside. I wish there would be just a good Star Wars mmo in general.....Sandbox or not, just make it massive and let us play as wookies.

  • EhliyaEhliya Washington, DCPosts: 199Member
    I am no car expert, but can cars actually run on distilled animal fat?  I understand there are ethanol cars, but I believe those have to be specifically designed to use ethanol.  I have never heard of a distilled animal fat run car.  Is that possible?
  • AlalalaAlalala Gabrielston, SCPosts: 311Member
    Ha ha, this game is going suck sooooo bad. WTF, Sony?
  • fierce750fierce750 redding, CAPosts: 37Member

    This game looks SUPER SICK!

     

    I'll be giving it a try, that's for sure!

  • ArglebargleArglebargle Austin, TXPosts: 1,414Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Ehliya
    I am no car expert, but can cars actually run on distilled animal fat?  I understand there are ethanol cars, but I believe those have to be specifically designed to use ethanol.  I have never heard of a distilled animal fat run car.  Is that possible?

    I think maybe diesel could do that.   The original diesel engine was not designed to run on petroleum.  Surely there have to be some internal combustion engine afficianados who can give out the real scoop.

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  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko RotterdamPosts: 3,845Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Bunnyking

    Microtransaction gear and permadeath? Lol, awesome combo.  How can anyone think that's a viable business model?

    Quite easy to do, actually ! 

    All the cosmetic clothing you buy just respawns in your backpack (that you also bought) each time you respawn...

    Or you could buy XP enhancers...

    Or signal flares (so that your buddies can find you more easily when you first reappear in the world)...

    I'm sure SOE could come up with a few hundred more.

  • OzmodanOzmodan Hilliard, OHPosts: 7,183Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by SpottyGekko
    Originally posted by Bunnyking

    Microtransaction gear and permadeath? Lol, awesome combo.  How can anyone think that's a viable business model?

    Quite easy to do, actually ! 

    All the cosmetic clothing you buy just respawns in your backpack (that you also bought) each time you respawn...

    Or you could buy XP enhancers...

    Or signal flares (so that your buddies can find you more easily when you first reappear in the world)...

    I'm sure SOE could come up with a few hundred more.

    That might work, but I still think perma-death won't be in the final release.  Too controversial.  Basically means the game will only appeal to the ultra hard core and that won't pay for a game.  If they keep perma-death in the game the servers will be off line within a year.

    Perma-death and MMO just do not work together no matter how you try to build it because you cannot attract enough of a audience to actually pay for a game.

  • DauntisDauntis Kansas City, MOPosts: 548Member Uncommon
    ha ha crafting in a permadeath gankfest. Why bother? How can you spend anytime crafting when the game will be chock full of griefers. And really there is no point in the zombies it will be just like Day Z, War Z and everyother zombie pvp fest, the zombies are more or less ignored because players cannot resit the option to kill off the other players instead. Why can't they make a horror survival game that isn't just another pvp arena?

    I would like to give an opinion on this post, but if I agree I will offend people who disagree. While if I disagree my comment will be seen as inflammatory. Either way I will get banned by this site full of the most delicate flowers in online gaming. Ban people for giving honest opinions... beautiful. Unfortunately I still like the articles.

  • AlalalaAlalala Gabrielston, SCPosts: 311Member

    For those of you dismayed by Sony's deafness, State of Decay is on sale now on Steam.

  • Panther2103Panther2103 Edmonds, WAPosts: 2,356Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DMKano

    Color me pissed off - this is for us SWG fans remember....

    A zombie survival game 

    For SWG fans.....

    Yeah color me "big middle finger" to this slap in the face.

    It isn't even for SWG fans. It was Smedley's dumb ass marketing again. Just like when he pissed off the EQN devs by saying that they were toying with the idea of Permadeath in EQN. He will say whatever he can to get people to look at his games. He could literally say "OUR NEXT GAME IS FOR FANS OF POKEMON" and a week later their "next game" will have a trailer and it would be a pirate slots game.

  • TheRabidsmurfTheRabidsmurf inman, SCPosts: 111Member
    From what i have seen of the game it looks like pieces ripped directly from infestation and content made for dayz mod with some retexture/skins.

    Hopeful its good. However, im not expecting.
  • KilraneKilrane Sedro-Woolley, WAPosts: 255Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DMKano

    Color me pissed off - this is for us SWG fans remember....

    A zombie survival game 

    For SWG fans.....

    Yeah color me "big middle finger" to this slap in the face.

    ^ this.

  • RaquisRaquis hartenbosPosts: 536Member Common
    who wants zombie crap,i need a good star wars game.
  • bcbullybcbully Westland, MIPosts: 8,275Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Dauntis
    ha ha crafting in a permadeath gankfest. Why bother? How can you spend anytime crafting when the game will be chock full of griefers. And really there is no point in the zombies it will be just like Day Z, War Z and everyother zombie pvp fest, the zombies are more or less ignored because players cannot resit the option to kill off the other players instead. Why can't they make a horror survival game that isn't just another pvp arena?

    These are more fps than mmo pvp. I love mmorpg pvp. I like shooters. I don't play survival shooters.

  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Algo Star SystemPosts: 651Member Uncommon

    The theme is played out, but the gameplay concepts aren't IMO. Open World survival, they just need to make sure that the zombies are so dangerous that players are encouraged to move in groups.

     

    For people calling it a "gank fest" please explain your vision for how a game like this is supposed to play. I'm curious.

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