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  • DoogiehowserDoogiehowser ParisPosts: 1,873Member
    You can pick it up at wallmart for 9 bucks..why pay 30 for it? ESO isn't even worth 30 bucks.

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  • TechnohicTechnohic Ashland, OHPosts: 148Member

    Might by their best bet to go buy to play now to see if they can even get sales like that.  I think the longer they wait, the more likely it will just be free to play or closed.  

     

    I think it is obvious they are desperate for sales.  The entire letting go of a large staff.  Stores trying to clear out their inventory of the hard copy for cheap.  And maybe the biggest sign is them trying to get people to buy the PC with a promise to qualify for console transfer hoping to get the console players on now.

  • junzo316junzo316 Raleigh, NCPosts: 1,684Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Stizzled
    Originally posted by junzo316
    At 9.99 within 2 months of release is a horrible price drop.  That is about an 85% drop.  Crazy!  I see the console version being canceled and the game going f2p pretty quick.

    They'd be crazy to cancel the console versions. What may be a fairly standard or lackluster MMO to PC gamers could still be a great experience to console gamers, just look at Destiny.

     

    What I expect to happen is that, sometime near the end of the year, they'll give another console release date and some beta news to go with it. At or around that same time they'll also announce that they're dropping the subscription fee. I just don't see them going full F2P, not with all the fuss they made about P2P being the right choice for ESO. They'll try to save face by keeping the initial box price.

    It's an expensive gamble for them as far as consoles go.  The cost of manufacturing and distributing the hard copy disks AND they would, again, have to have an aggressive advertising campaign.  If they see the costs as too high for a game no one is playing, it just may be cancelled. 

  • StizzledStizzled Springfield, MOPosts: 1,264Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by junzo316

    It's an expensive gamble for them as far as consoles go.  The cost of manufacturing and distributing the hard copy disks AND they would, again, have to have an aggressive advertising campaign.  If they see the costs as too high for a game no one is playing, it just may be cancelled. 

    Originally posted by DMKano

    If the dev costs are higher than projected sales, then it's not crazy.

    (Note I am not talking about ESO specifically - just want to refute the "crazy" claim of why development gets cancelled for some games)

    Canceling makes sense for many games for many different reasons. Canceling the console release of what is very much a console game because the PC port may or may not be doing so well is crazy. Of course, both of you are certainly right, it's already cost them a hell of a lot of money and it's going to cost them even more. But, I don't see how they could expect the sales to be so low as to warrant cancellation, it has basically no competition on the consoles, there's really nothing like it. As I stated before, what my be a trash game in a sea of trash games on PC could still be a very unique experience to console gamers who may never have experienced anything like it.

     

    At this point, if the game is doing as poorly as some suggest, then ZOS need to be putting all of their eggs into the console basket. Consoles have always been the bread and butter of the ES series, and this game should be no different. The first thing they need to do is get their cash shop ready and drop the subscription, and I think that's exactly what they're doing with the six month delay. Just doing that will probably double their potential console sales.


     


  • bobdole1979bobdole1979 beverly hills, CAPosts: 210Member
    Originally posted by CrazKanuk
    Originally posted by Hariken
    Originally posted by rojo6934
    Originally posted by NeithWeaver
    Originally posted by Deadlyne

    Because Wildstar just came out.  Now there is some real competition.

    Pretty much this.

    This^

    You will notice Wildstar massive price drop too when Warlords come out.

    This is it right here

    People need to be reminded just how powerful Wow is. The same thing happened with GW2. When mist came out the playerbase got alot smaller in days.  Alot of people are checking out Wildstar and waiting for the new Wow espansion just like in GW2. Wildstar and ESO will never knock wow off the top of the mount.

    I know right? Actually Dino Horde just did the same thing on steam this past weekend. They were offering 95% off! Damn Wildstar is making everyone drop their prices /sarcasm

     

    Let's be honest, ESO is a subscription game, the box price will make a dent in their dev costs, but after launch there really isn't going to be much reason to even have a box price, your focus is obtaining/retaining subscribers. If they were really concerned about people leaving their service for Wildstar they would have dropped their subscription fees, not their box price. 

    If they sell a million or more copies it can actually almost completley cover the development cost the problem is ESO only sold 400k  copies

     

    http://www.vgchartz.com/game/70799/the-elder-scrolls-online/

     

    That is really not a good start for a MMO.   Warhammer Online managed to sell 750k copies its first month.

  • DMKanoDMKano Gamercentral, AKPosts: 8,587Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by bobdole1979
    Originally posted by CrazKanuk
    Originally posted by Hariken
    Originally posted by rojo6934
    Originally posted by NeithWeaver
    Originally posted by Deadlyne

    Because Wildstar just came out.  Now there is some real competition.

    Pretty much this.

    This^

    You will notice Wildstar massive price drop too when Warlords come out.

    This is it right here

    People need to be reminded just how powerful Wow is. The same thing happened with GW2. When mist came out the playerbase got alot smaller in days.  Alot of people are checking out Wildstar and waiting for the new Wow espansion just like in GW2. Wildstar and ESO will never knock wow off the top of the mount.

    I know right? Actually Dino Horde just did the same thing on steam this past weekend. They were offering 95% off! Damn Wildstar is making everyone drop their prices /sarcasm

     

    Let's be honest, ESO is a subscription game, the box price will make a dent in their dev costs, but after launch there really isn't going to be much reason to even have a box price, your focus is obtaining/retaining subscribers. If they were really concerned about people leaving their service for Wildstar they would have dropped their subscription fees, not their box price. 

    If they sell a million or more copies it can actually almost completley cover the development cost the problem is ESO only sold 400k  copies

     

    http://www.vgchartz.com/game/70799/the-elder-scrolls-online/

     

    That is really not a good start for a MMO.   Warhammer Online managed to sell 750k copies its first month.

    No.

    They needed to sell over 5 million copies to cover the 200+ million dollar cost - remember that on a $60 physical copy less  than $40 actually goes to Zenimax.

    There is a LOT of overhead in retail box business - which is why if you can recoup your profits with 100% digital sales - that's the way to go.

    Bottom line - you don't want to be on the store shelves - as if your product doesn't sell after X number of weeks - guess what, you have to buy it back from retailers at 100% retail cost.

    Yeah it sucks.

    P.S. If you are selling your game for less than $20 from retail outlets - it means the company is dumping inventory so they don't have to incur buy-back losses at 100% retail cost - so those $9 sales = zero money for ZOS.

  • bobdole1979bobdole1979 beverly hills, CAPosts: 210Member
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by bobdole1979
    Originally posted by CrazKanuk
    Originally posted by Hariken
    Originally posted by rojo6934
    Originally posted by NeithWeaver
    Originally posted by Deadlyne

    Because Wildstar just came out.  Now there is some real competition.

    Pretty much this.

    This^

    You will notice Wildstar massive price drop too when Warlords come out.

    This is it right here

    People need to be reminded just how powerful Wow is. The same thing happened with GW2. When mist came out the playerbase got alot smaller in days.  Alot of people are checking out Wildstar and waiting for the new Wow espansion just like in GW2. Wildstar and ESO will never knock wow off the top of the mount.

    I know right? Actually Dino Horde just did the same thing on steam this past weekend. They were offering 95% off! Damn Wildstar is making everyone drop their prices /sarcasm

     

    Let's be honest, ESO is a subscription game, the box price will make a dent in their dev costs, but after launch there really isn't going to be much reason to even have a box price, your focus is obtaining/retaining subscribers. If they were really concerned about people leaving their service for Wildstar they would have dropped their subscription fees, not their box price. 

    If they sell a million or more copies it can actually almost completley cover the development cost the problem is ESO only sold 400k  copies

     

    http://www.vgchartz.com/game/70799/the-elder-scrolls-online/

     

    That is really not a good start for a MMO.   Warhammer Online managed to sell 750k copies its first month.

    No.

    They needed to sell over 5 million copies to cover the 200+ million dollar cost - remember that on a $60 physical copy less  than $40 actually goes to Zenimax.

    There is a LOT of overhead in retail box business - which is why if you can recoup your profits with 100% digital sales - that's the way to go.

    Bottom line - you don't want to be on the store shelves - as if your product doesn't sell after X number of weeks - guess what, you have to buy it back from retailers at 100% retail cost.

    Yeah it sucks.

     

    Depends on the retailer Walmart will only give them about $20 but other stores its much higher.   But lets not get into a whole economics debate 

     

    The point I was making is that the game only sold 400k copies (maybe double that with digital sales but even then thats not a lot)   so that after the intial first month or two when ALL mmos see a 50% drop or more in subs things are not looking good. 

     

    Edit btw did they ever release their budget?  I'm not saying you are wrong with the 200 million but  I don't  remember them releasing anything.  All I know is that some of my friends at Zenimax told me they were throwing money at ESO as if it was the cure for cancer.

  • DMKanoDMKano Gamercentral, AKPosts: 8,587Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by bobdole1979

     

    Edit btw did they ever release their budget?  I'm not saying you are wrong with the 200 million but  I don't  remember them releasing anything.  All I know is that some of my friends at Zenimax told me they were throwing money at ESO as if it was the cure for cancer.

    There was an infamous twitter leak - where it was posted $200 million but quickly got removed - however as most things on twitter it got read and screenshot by lots of people.

    http://camelotpost.com/2014/01/02/the-elder-scrolls-online-budget-200-million-do-more-damage-than-good/

    Also with 6 month console delay - the new rumor is that the final dev cost will exceed 250 million.

     

  • Laughing-manLaughing-man Dublin, OHPosts: 3,415Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by bobdole1979

     

    Edit btw did they ever release their budget?  I'm not saying you are wrong with the 200 million but  I don't  remember them releasing anything.  All I know is that some of my friends at Zenimax told me they were throwing money at ESO as if it was the cure for cancer.

    There was an infamous twitter leak - where it was posted $200 million but quickly got removed - however as most things on twitter it got read and screenshot by lots of people.

    http://camelotpost.com/2014/01/02/the-elder-scrolls-online-budget-200-million-do-more-damage-than-good/

    Also with 6 month console delay - the new rumor is that the final dev cost will exceed 250 million.

     

    So that article is literally 'there are rumors that it's 200m' and it's substantiated by 'more rumors'.

    No offense, I don't like ESO, but I don't think they spent 200million on it, they even said it wasn't 'close to 200 million' before when teased.

    Also, your article was posted Jan 2. 

    Interestingly enough on Jan 1st this article was published.  http://www.p4rgaming.com/zenimax-debunks-elder-scrolls-online-200m-budget-rumor-we-couldnt-have-wasted-that-much-money/

  • mgilbrtsnmgilbrtsn belleville, ILPosts: 1,713Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Mahlo
    Loaded question much?

    correct

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  • DMKanoDMKano Gamercentral, AKPosts: 8,587Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Laughing-man
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by bobdole1979

     

    Edit btw did they ever release their budget?  I'm not saying you are wrong with the 200 million but  I don't  remember them releasing anything.  All I know is that some of my friends at Zenimax told me they were throwing money at ESO as if it was the cure for cancer.

    There was an infamous twitter leak - where it was posted $200 million but quickly got removed - however as most things on twitter it got read and screenshot by lots of people.

    http://camelotpost.com/2014/01/02/the-elder-scrolls-online-budget-200-million-do-more-damage-than-good/

    Also with 6 month console delay - the new rumor is that the final dev cost will exceed 250 million.

     

    So that article is literally 'there are rumors that it's 200m' and it's substantiated by 'more rumors'.

    No offense, I don't like ESO, but I don't think they spent 200million on it, they even said it wasn't 'close to 200 million' before when teased.

    Also, your article was posted Jan 2. 

    Interestingly enough on Jan 1st this article was published.  http://www.p4rgaming.com/zenimax-debunks-elder-scrolls-online-200m-budget-rumor-we-couldnt-have-wasted-that-much-money/

    Did you just really post a P4Rgaming link?

    LOL - did you even READ that ????

    Priceless!

    (hint - P4Rgaming is a SATIRE site)

     

    The twitter leak was real - it cost over 200mil - ZOS damage control failed.

     

  • Laughing-manLaughing-man Dublin, OHPosts: 3,415Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by Laughing-man
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by bobdole1979

     

    Edit btw did they ever release their budget?  I'm not saying you are wrong with the 200 million but  I don't  remember them releasing anything.  All I know is that some of my friends at Zenimax told me they were throwing money at ESO as if it was the cure for cancer.

    There was an infamous twitter leak - where it was posted $200 million but quickly got removed - however as most things on twitter it got read and screenshot by lots of people.

    http://camelotpost.com/2014/01/02/the-elder-scrolls-online-budget-200-million-do-more-damage-than-good/

    Also with 6 month console delay - the new rumor is that the final dev cost will exceed 250 million.

     

    So that article is literally 'there are rumors that it's 200m' and it's substantiated by 'more rumors'.

    No offense, I don't like ESO, but I don't think they spent 200million on it, they even said it wasn't 'close to 200 million' before when teased.

    Also, your article was posted Jan 2. 

    Interestingly enough on Jan 1st this article was published.  http://www.p4rgaming.com/zenimax-debunks-elder-scrolls-online-200m-budget-rumor-we-couldnt-have-wasted-that-much-money/

    Did you just really post a P4Rgaming link?

    LOL - did you even READ that ????

    Priceless!

    (hint - P4Rgaming is a SATIRE site)

     

    The twitter leak was real - it cost over 200mil - ZOS damage control failed.  (The twitter leak where Matt says there is no way that they spent 200 million is real, yet then you think that some how confirms that it DID cost over 200 million dollars, so what Denying is admitting to you?

     

    Yeah, I know it's satire, the link they used was real, exactly.

    Matt DID say that there was no way that they spent 200m ON TWITTER.

     /facepalm

    Edit:  My point is there is NO NUMBERS!  EITHER WAY!  You are literally linking a rumor based off a rumor based off what some guy over heard his room mate say while on video chat with his nephew who knows a guy at ZoS.  I.E. Bullshit.

    My point in linking the first article was to point out to you that both of them, are equally stupid.  /sigh

  • SirBalinSirBalin Joppa, MDPosts: 1,150Member Uncommon
    Everyone that purchased the game off the get get should get something big back, one of the most broken launches i've seen in quite sometime.

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  • MibletMiblet BognerPosts: 333Member

    The twitter message was not posted by a ZOS employee iirc but a game journalist (form Kotaku).  Which was then picked up by even more and spread like wildfire without any evidence given (possibly why it was removed).

    ZOS never released any information on it's budget, over than it's not $200 million (implied less, though not stated).

  • WizardryWizardry Ontario, CanadaPosts: 8,467Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by rbialo

    Because $30 for a video game is a proper price and any thing above is just cash grab no matter how good a game is?

    We were paying 50- 70 bucks for old Sega and Nintendo  games back in the day on a 8/16/32 bit cartridge.


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  • HarikenHariken Brighton, MAPosts: 985Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Doogiehowser
    You can pick it up at wallmart for 9 bucks..why pay 30 for it? ESO isn't even worth 30 bucks.

    9 Bucks for a new released mmo in less than 3 months is bad news for this game. It doesn't matter what fanboys say. This is not a good thing and Zenimax most be going to say something soon about the game. Some shake up must be coming and they are waiting to get as much money as they can first. I have never seen a price drop this fast for any mmo. If you can get it for 9 bucks somewhere than its pretty much over for making huge money on this game. And didn't they do some huge layoffs at the mmo branch of the company too? Not looking to good i think.

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Posts: 14,789Member Uncommon
    The earlier you get into a game, the more you pay for it.  With subscription games especially, the box price tends to drop or even go away entirely after a while just to get people into the game so they can start paying the subscription fee.
  • KangaroomouseKangaroomouse MonacoPosts: 394Member
    Originally posted by Scot

    Unlike a B2P where you can keep the box price high a P2P will drop of quickly. If someone wants to present evidence that TESO is dropping of faster or slower than average then fine. If not I think it is fare to say its dropping at an average rate.

    Most stores like Walmart are allowed to set their own price, so I would not be surprised if you found a copy for 2$ if they wanted to get rid of old stock. In gaming 'old stock' means last months release.

     

    Let's be fair and compare it to an 11 year old P2P Fantasy MMO with only 500k subscribers.

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    Final Fantasy XI still sells for $30 on amazon. 

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    TESO is like that half dead mouse your cat drops on your doorstep because it got tired playing with it.

  • bobdole1979bobdole1979 beverly hills, CAPosts: 210Member
    Originally posted by Kangaroomouse
    Originally posted by Scot

    Unlike a B2P where you can keep the box price high a P2P will drop of quickly. If someone wants to present evidence that TESO is dropping of faster or slower than average then fine. If not I think it is fare to say its dropping at an average rate.

    Most stores like Walmart are allowed to set their own price, so I would not be surprised if you found a copy for 2$ if they wanted to get rid of old stock. In gaming 'old stock' means last months release.

     

    Let's be fair and compare it to an 11 year old P2P Fantasy MMO with only 500k subscribers.

    ----

    Final Fantasy XI still sells for $30 on amazon. 

    ----

    TESO is like that half dead mouse your cat drops on your doorstep because it got tired playing with it.

    they should have launched as a Buy 2 Play game with a cash shop instead of a Pay To Play game with a cash shop. 

     

    who knows maybe it will be a huge success on console.  

  • gervaise1gervaise1 .Posts: 2,084Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Kangaroomouse
    Originally posted by Scot

    Unlike a B2P where you can keep the box price high a P2P will drop of quickly. If someone wants to present evidence that TESO is dropping of faster or slower than average then fine. If not I think it is fare to say its dropping at an average rate.

    Most stores like Walmart are allowed to set their own price, so I would not be surprised if you found a copy for 2$ if they wanted to get rid of old stock. In gaming 'old stock' means last months release.

     

    Let's be fair and compare it to an 11 year old P2P Fantasy MMO with only 500k subscribers.

    ----

    Final Fantasy XI still sells for $30 on amazon. 

    ----

    TESO is like that half dead mouse your cat drops on your doorstep because it got tired playing with it.

    Final Fantasy XI is actually an example of what happens to a lot of products as they become "scare" - namely the price goes up somewhat as the product nears the end of its life cycle. You want some old RAM for example - good look finding any of that cheap.

  • RandaynRandayn Sellersville, PAPosts: 883Member Uncommon

    The price drop is actually a great idea...This is what I was waiting for with ESO...didnt think it deserved 60 bucks, but when dropped ot 30.00 and even 10.00 in select Wal-Marts, I was more than excited to get it.  It's a really good game, just not great.

    P.S. - Wildstar sucks

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  • KangaroomouseKangaroomouse MonacoPosts: 394Member
    Originally posted by gervaise1
    Originally posted by Kangaroomouse
    Originally posted by Scot

    Unlike a B2P where you can keep the box price high a P2P will drop of quickly. If someone wants to present evidence that TESO is dropping of faster or slower than average then fine. If not I think it is fare to say its dropping at an average rate.

    Most stores like Walmart are allowed to set their own price, so I would not be surprised if you found a copy for 2$ if they wanted to get rid of old stock. In gaming 'old stock' means last months release.

     

    Let's be fair and compare it to an 11 year old P2P Fantasy MMO with only 500k subscribers.

    ----

    Final Fantasy XI still sells for $30 on amazon. 

    ----

    TESO is like that half dead mouse your cat drops on your doorstep because it got tired playing with it.

    Final Fantasy XI is actually an example of what happens to a lot of products as they become "scare" - namely the price goes up somewhat as the product nears the end of its life cycle. You want some old RAM for example - good look finding any of that cheap.

    FFXI is not scarce or rare. It's the newest edition with all expansions. It's also not near the end of its life-cycle it just released a new expansion and is going strong on subscribers.

    ----

    It's one of the longest running successful MMOS.

  • CrusadesCrusades Columbus, OHPosts: 480Member
    rumors come and go, but a reliable source has pointed at this game going f2p 2-3 months before console launch, and will launch on consoles as an f2p game.
  • ScotScot UKPosts: 5,769Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Crusades
    rumors come and go, but a reliable source has pointed at this game going f2p 2-3 months before console launch, and will launch on consoles as an f2p game.

     Crusades, can you stick to WS which clearly you are a fanboy of having checked your previous posts:

    "(Wildstar) The game is actually a beautifully orchestrated masterpiece of an mmorpg. It's going to go down as one of the greatest in history."

    In your signature you mount a diatribe against ESO and clearly want it to fail so WS does well, if the games that good, why are you posting on the ESO forums and not playing WS?

  • ScotScot UKPosts: 5,769Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Kangaroomouse
    Originally posted by gervaise1
    Originally posted by Kangaroomouse
    Originally posted by Scot

    Unlike a B2P where you can keep the box price high a P2P will drop of quickly. If someone wants to present evidence that TESO is dropping of faster or slower than average then fine. If not I think it is fare to say its dropping at an average rate.

    Most stores like Walmart are allowed to set their own price, so I would not be surprised if you found a copy for 2$ if they wanted to get rid of old stock. In gaming 'old stock' means last months release.

     

    Let's be fair and compare it to an 11 year old P2P Fantasy MMO with only 500k subscribers.

    ----

    Final Fantasy XI still sells for $30 on amazon. 

    ----

    TESO is like that half dead mouse your cat drops on your doorstep because it got tired playing with it.

    Final Fantasy XI is actually an example of what happens to a lot of products as they become "scare" - namely the price goes up somewhat as the product nears the end of its life cycle. You want some old RAM for example - good look finding any of that cheap.

    FFXI is not scarce or rare. It's the newest edition with all expansions. It's also not near the end of its life-cycle it just released a new expansion and is going strong on subscribers.

    ----

    It's one of the longest running successful MMOS.

    You cannot compare any old MMO with a new one in the area of price. SWTOR, RIft, TSW (was it P2P?); they are the only comparable MMOS I can think of. TESO is 30$ on Amazon atm.

    Also still no proof of all these 10$ copies from Walmart that are supposedly on sale when the game is ~40$ on Walmart online.

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