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Literally all I want is Original EQ with better graphics.

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  • LawlmonsterLawlmonster Dallas, TXPosts: 953Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by kartool
    Originally posted by amber-r

    There aren't anywhere near enough players that would want this, of those that say they do most of those don't actually want the reality of what they are asking for.

     

    This. What people want is that feeling and experience. I don't think that's going to happen until someone makes the next revolutionary step when it comes to online gaming. I figure we won't get it until we see full VR implemented.

    The great news is that game engines are become more modular, requiring less education or research to use, and generally becoming more user friendly; Unreal Engine 4 is a pretty good example of this. While it might not be the kind of cash generator that SOE might be looking for, I can't imagine why a team of players that are into, say, EQ emulation wouldn't be interested in building a full conversion, as the barriers to entry are becoming smaller and smaller. That's not to understate the amount of effort rebuilding EQ with better textures and models might actually require, but we're certainly nearing an era where artists, and independent (or mod) developers, are becoming more capable of realizing their dreams without needing heaps of technical know-how.

     

    This is probably the most optimism you'll see from me in a post regarding MMO's.

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  • RoguewizRoguewiz Lampasas, TXPosts: 614Member Uncommon

    You know, I'm on the fence for vanilla EQ.  It was an awesome game, but it got BETTER with the expansions.  Hell, even the current version of EQ isn't that bad.

    Personally, I say:

    • Improve the graphics
    • Improve the crafting system.  Mainly, implement EQ2's crafting system.
      • Speaking of which, give us non-combat classes.
    • Allow me to tame any monster as a pet, permanently.
      • Improve the Beastmaster to do this.
    • Housing in the open world, not instanced.  Norrath is big enough for all of us.
    • More robust and free-form character advancement.  I like AAs, but I want more variety! :)
    • Space Combat, errr....Jousting on Mounts
    • Give me a long, drawn out quest to become a more "powerful" class.
    • Meaningful PVP.
     
     

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  • Dreamo84Dreamo84 Niagara Falls, NYPosts: 3,437Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Dihoru
    So EQ was a non-structured theme park and wow a structured one. Do not get drunk with memories both games are responsible for the last decade of rehashed theme parks, a genre EQ arguably founded, and the neglect of the sandbox genre because EQ is easier to make than an EVE or UO well let alone how piss easy a structured theme park like WoW.

    I'm sorry, I will have to disagree that WoW is easier to make than EQ. EQ the content is literally just go find stuff and kill it. Quest structure alone makes WoW more difficult to to develop. EQ is really a sandbox without any of the world altering stuff that makes a sandbox interesting.

    In fact, I'd argue Sandboxes are actually easier to develop than themeparks as you don't need a steady content stream in sandboxes like you do themeparks.

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  • bingbongbrosbingbongbros Vista, CAPosts: 650Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Roguewiz

    You know, I'm on the fence for vanilla EQ.  It was an awesome game, but it got BETTER with the expansions.  Hell, even the current version of EQ isn't that bad.

    Personally, I say:

    • Improve the graphics
    • Improve the crafting system.  Mainly, implement EQ2's crafting system.
      • Speaking of which, give us non-combat classes.
    • Allow me to tame any monster as a pet, permanently.
      • Improve the Beastmaster to do this.
    • Housing in the open world, not instanced.  Norrath is big enough for all of us.
    • More robust and free-form character advancement.  I like AAs, but I want more variety! :)
    • Space Combat, errr....Jousting on Mounts
    • Give me a long, drawn out quest to become a more "powerful" class.
    • Meaningful PVP.
     
     

    Didn't SOE attempt this at EQ2's launch?  You had to do a quest to decide your base class then a quest at level 10 and 20 to decide your final choice of class.  Then people started complaining it was dumb and it took to long to get their uber awesome skills and they scrapped it.

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  • RoguewizRoguewiz Lampasas, TXPosts: 614Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by bingbongbros
    Originally posted by Roguewiz

    You know, I'm on the fence for vanilla EQ.  It was an awesome game, but it got BETTER with the expansions.  Hell, even the current version of EQ isn't that bad.

    Personally, I say:

    • Improve the graphics
    • Improve the crafting system.  Mainly, implement EQ2's crafting system.
      • Speaking of which, give us non-combat classes.
    • Allow me to tame any monster as a pet, permanently.
      • Improve the Beastmaster to do this.
    • Housing in the open world, not instanced.  Norrath is big enough for all of us.
    • More robust and free-form character advancement.  I like AAs, but I want more variety! :)
    • Space Combat, errr....Jousting on Mounts
    • Give me a long, drawn out quest to become a more "powerful" class.
    • Meaningful PVP.
     
     

    Didn't SOE attempt this at EQ2's launch?  You had to do a quest to decide your base class then a quest at level 10 and 20 to decide your final choice of class.  Then people started complaining it was dumb and it took to long to get their uber awesome skills and they scrapped it.

    The quest, in all honesty, wasn't difficult or long at all.  It was a lot of running around, sure and talking to a NPC of that class.

    Besides, I wasn't really implying the EQ2 version.  I was implying another SOE game :)

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  • bingbongbrosbingbongbros Vista, CAPosts: 650Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Roguewiz
    Originally posted by bingbongbros
    Originally posted by Roguewiz

    You know, I'm on the fence for vanilla EQ.  It was an awesome game, but it got BETTER with the expansions.  Hell, even the current version of EQ isn't that bad.

    Personally, I say:

    • Improve the graphics
    • Improve the crafting system.  Mainly, implement EQ2's crafting system.
      • Speaking of which, give us non-combat classes.
    • Allow me to tame any monster as a pet, permanently.
      • Improve the Beastmaster to do this.
    • Housing in the open world, not instanced.  Norrath is big enough for all of us.
    • More robust and free-form character advancement.  I like AAs, but I want more variety! :)
    • Space Combat, errr....Jousting on Mounts
    • Give me a long, drawn out quest to become a more "powerful" class.
    • Meaningful PVP.
     
     

    Didn't SOE attempt this at EQ2's launch?  You had to do a quest to decide your base class then a quest at level 10 and 20 to decide your final choice of class.  Then people started complaining it was dumb and it took to long to get their uber awesome skills and they scrapped it.

    The quest, in all honesty, wasn't difficult or long at all.  It was a lot of running around, sure and talking to a NPC of that class.

    Besides, I wasn't really implying the EQ2 version.  I was implying another SOE game :)

    Is the game you are implying the game that shall not be NG... errr.. named?

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  • RoguewizRoguewiz Lampasas, TXPosts: 614Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by bingbongbros
    Originally posted by Roguewiz
    Originally posted by bingbongbros
    Originally posted by Roguewiz

    You know, I'm on the fence for vanilla EQ.  It was an awesome game, but it got BETTER with the expansions.  Hell, even the current version of EQ isn't that bad.

    Personally, I say:

    • Improve the graphics
    • Improve the crafting system.  Mainly, implement EQ2's crafting system.
      • Speaking of which, give us non-combat classes.
    • Allow me to tame any monster as a pet, permanently.
      • Improve the Beastmaster to do this.
    • Housing in the open world, not instanced.  Norrath is big enough for all of us.
    • More robust and free-form character advancement.  I like AAs, but I want more variety! :)
    • Space Combat, errr....Jousting on Mounts
    • Give me a long, drawn out quest to become a more "powerful" class.
    • Meaningful PVP.
     
     

    Didn't SOE attempt this at EQ2's launch?  You had to do a quest to decide your base class then a quest at level 10 and 20 to decide your final choice of class.  Then people started complaining it was dumb and it took to long to get their uber awesome skills and they scrapped it.

    The quest, in all honesty, wasn't difficult or long at all.  It was a lot of running around, sure and talking to a NPC of that class.

    Besides, I wasn't really implying the EQ2 version.  I was implying another SOE game :)

    Is the game you are implying the game that shall not be NG... errr.. named?

    Fight Club and that other game share something in common:  We can't talk about them image

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    Anticipating: Everquest Next Crowfall!!!

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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by Flyte27
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Flyte27
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Flyte27
     

    I'm not a huge fan of waiting these days either, but that shows I've lost some of my patience.  I believe having to rest and heal after a fighter is more realistic (doesn't kill immersion) and find that getting your health/magic back to full after a fight is dumb.  I'd rather have something in between.  Make it so your health and magic don't come back.  You have to go to a town and rest to get it back.  Let the player restore health (but not magic via potions(but has a finite amount)).  They can also restore via magic if they have spells.  This would mean people don't have to rest all the time, but they also can't keep killing non stop.  Eventually they have to town and restock/rest. 

    Really? More boring stuff before players can really play.

    And why would "realistic" be desirable in video games where the goal is to entertain. I laugh out loud when people put "realism" and "magic" in the same paragraph.

    I say it is super realistic to take 2 second to charge all the mana back because that is how "realistic" magic work. If you don't believe me, ask David Copperfield.

     

    I don't really understand how you are entertained by non stop mindless killing in most cases, but it seems those are the games you like.  I'm attempting to put some measure of strategy into the gaming without having the burden of having to sit constantly.  The strategy I put up there would be great for a non instanced game IMO.  It would stop people from camping and force them to think about what they are doing instead of mindlessly running around and clicking on exclamation marks/following GPS.  They would have to plan their trip, how long it will take, and how far they can go before coming back.  To me this would be a lot more entertaining then what you see in a game like Diablo 3.  I'd also like to see more choices in combat.  Have different equipment for different and combat abilities for different situations, but only allow you to use a finite amount of abilities at once.  That at least makes you figure out what will work and won't work.  Magic is a source to me, but it is only for magic users.  Health is a determination of how much one can take before death.  Magic can restore health, but health doesn't just regenerate back to full after a fight IMO.  Can it be that way?  Sure it can be any way a developer wants it to be, but it sure doesn't make any sense to me and it detracts from the game for me.

    I really don't understand how you are confused between "strategy" and "boring and easy mode down time". Is there any strategy in waiting for regen .. i think not.

    Now strategy in using skills, optimizing DPS, those I am all for .. waiting .. not so much.

     

    I just explained it all in my post.  It was an alternative to downtime.  There is not really any down time.  You just have to go back to town to rest once in a while.  It's like driving a car.  You stop for a few minutes at the gas station to refill.  This keeps the player moving instead of staying stationary.  It helps in a non instanced environment to keep people from camping spawns non stop.  It makes the player or group think about how far they can venture into the world.

     

    You are contradicting yourself again. If you go back to town to "rest", then it is down-time, unless you rest for only a second. In that case, you are asking the players to make town trips frequently, which is no strategy and boring.

     

  • UsualSuspectUsualSuspect CardiffPosts: 1,243Member

    When I think about it, the only thing I really want from original EQ is the need to group. I'm so tired of all these solo based MMO's, let's actually have an MMO that deserves to be online. I mean, seriously, why build an online game if the only thing you're going to do online is walk past another player and say Hi on the way. It's completely pointless.

    Of course, for that need to group you'll need to add other parts of EQ, like the death penalty - if people are worried about death then they'll play better and be more considerate of the people who are supporting their game. That builds community and that's what MMO's, to me, are all about. With solo based MMO's, the players might as well be replaced by bots, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference anyway.

  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by UsualSuspect

    When I think about it, the only thing I really want from original EQ is the need to group. I'm so tired of all these solo based MMO's, let's actually have an MMO that deserves to be online. I mean, seriously, why build an online game if the only thing you're going to do online is walk past another player and say Hi on the way. It's completely pointless.

     

    Pointless to you ... what many others like.

    That is no difference than lobby games, which i bet is also "pointless" to you.

     

  • BladestromBladestrom edinburghPosts: 4,942Member Uncommon
    Liking a thing and ruining a genre to aim for the lowest common denominator (single player fan creating to play a mmo as if there are nO real people) is different things.

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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by Bladestrom
    Liking a thing and ruining a genre to aim for the lowest common denominator (single player fan creating to play a mmo as if there are nO real people) is different things.

     

    "ruining" is just a matter of perspective. To me, MMOs are much better games today than the UO/EQ days. Heck, if MMOs are still like UO/EQ, i doubt i would be playing any.

     

  • ArclanArclan Chicago, ILPosts: 1,494Member Uncommon

    If they put mechanics in the game that require socialization (no built in auction feature, no minimap, difficult soloing, no quest hubs), then people will socialize. If they make socialization optional then practically no one will socialize. Sadly EQ Next looks more like WoW to me than EQ (arcade-like combat, cartoons, and death penalty is most likely nonexistent, and you can expect quest hub leveling.)


    Originally posted by SquireX
    Ahh...1999. I remember going into Babbage's and trying to decide between UO or EQ as my very first MMORPG. Legends of Kunark had just released and I finally was lured by the 3D State of the Art Graphics :)I fondly remember late, late nights spending hours upon hours with EQ. Way before KEI, etc when it took at least 15 minutes between battles for my caster to gain back mana to be ready. And back in the day when you spent Sunday afternoon at the EC Tunnel to WTS or WTB ;)I played EQ for years (/timeplayed was a depressing thing to see), but then finally was lured to the "next" big things like Planet Side, DAOC, WoW...I think others nailed it when they said EQ was more social because we had to be for grouping, barter, plus we had a ton of down time. But as others have also noted, today we have so many other distractions, be it social media or other games (fire up a quick game of Hearthstone) :)I definitely yearn for a greater challenge and something different than today's standard MMORPG experience. For me (today anyway), I've been enjoying Age of Wushu. I actually posted a similar EQ nostalgia theme thread this morning on that forum.[mod edit please don't discuss emulated games [/mod edit] But I think many of us (including myself) really can't go back to the graphics of those days.

    Ha, first time I saw EQ was in babbages. The dragon intrigued me so I checked out the box. Didn't really understand it and set it down. Months later when contemplating buying UO Second Age, I decided to check out gamecenter.com for reviews; and EQ was front page news; everyone saying how much they love it and even the game reviewers were saying how they'd rather be playing EQ than reviewing other games.

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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by Arclan

    If they put mechanics in the game that require socialization (no built in auction feature, no minimap, difficult soloing, no quest hubs), then people will socialize. If they make socialization optional then practically no one will socialize. Sadly EQ Next looks more like WoW to me than EQ (arcade-like combat, cartoons, and death penalty is most likely nonexistent, and you can expect quest hub leveling.)

    If they put the mechanics you propose (no built in auction feature, no minimap, difficult soloing, no quest hubs), then most people will quit and go to another game that has those features.

    There is a reason why those features are more or less standard.

    You can't force people to socialize in games if they don't want to .. because they have choices of what games to play.

  • UsualSuspectUsualSuspect CardiffPosts: 1,243Member
    Originally posted by nariusseldon

    If they put the mechanics you propose (no built in auction feature, no minimap, difficult soloing, no quest hubs), then most people will quit and go to another game that has those features.

    There is a reason why those features are more or less standard.

    You can't force people to socialize in games if they don't want to .. because they have choices of what games to play.

    That would be great, let them go to another game, get rid of the disease of solo whiners and let's get the people who want to actually play an online game back into the genre. Those 'features', as you put it, appeal to the brainless masses who just want to stare zombie like at the screen, pressing buttons until they get bright flashes of colour and cheery sounds to praise them for how 'amazing' they are at playing the game.

    Yeah, I wouldn't shed any tears if they up and left.

  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread PshPosts: 5,498Member Uncommon
    You have really low standards.
  • jpnzjpnz SydneyPosts: 3,529Member
    Originally posted by UsualSuspect
     

    That would be great, let them go to another game, get rid of the disease of solo whiners and let's get the people who want to actually play an online game back into the genre. Those 'features', as you put it, appeal to the brainless masses who just want to stare zombie like at the screen, pressing buttons until they get bright flashes of colour and cheery sounds to praise them for how 'amazing' they are at playing the game.

    Yeah, I wouldn't shed any tears if they up and left.

    ROFL!

    'Disease of solo whiners'?

    You do realize this is a VIDEO GAME right?

    I mean, I can understand trying to feel superior but trying to feel superior on the fact you like a particular VIDEO GAME?

    /Facepalm

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  • loulakiloulaki PatrasPosts: 918Member
    Originally posted by jpnz
    Originally posted by UsualSuspect
     

    That would be great, let them go to another game, get rid of the disease of solo whiners and let's get the people who want to actually play an online game back into the genre. Those 'features', as you put it, appeal to the brainless masses who just want to stare zombie like at the screen, pressing buttons until they get bright flashes of colour and cheery sounds to praise them for how 'amazing' they are at playing the game.

    Yeah, I wouldn't shed any tears if they up and left.

    ROFL!

    'Disease of solo whiners'?

    You do realize this is a VIDEO GAME right?

    I mean, I can understand trying to feel superior but trying to feel superior on the fact you like a particular VIDEO GAME?

    /Facepalm

    well its not a simple Video Game as the rest, its an MMORPG, means Massive Multiplay Online Role Play Game ..

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  • RydesonRydeson Canton, OHPosts: 3,858Member Uncommon
    Agreed. OP.. however, the community and era has changed..  EQ1 was more of a RPG experience as you covered, from exploration, training, wanderering, etc etc..  Today's gamers don't want that.. I believe a vast majority just want some arcade action shooting gallery..  Line up the mobs and let us mow them down..  Battles are quick with instant recovery and on to the next mob 3 feet away (ok I exaggerated a little)..  I think the days of AD&D type of behavior are lost..  There is something lost when people speed through the forest without looking at the trees... 
  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by loulaki
    Originally posted by jpnz
    Originally posted by UsualSuspect
     

    That would be great, let them go to another game, get rid of the disease of solo whiners and let's get the people who want to actually play an online game back into the genre. Those 'features', as you put it, appeal to the brainless masses who just want to stare zombie like at the screen, pressing buttons until they get bright flashes of colour and cheery sounds to praise them for how 'amazing' they are at playing the game.

    Yeah, I wouldn't shed any tears if they up and left.

    ROFL!

    'Disease of solo whiners'?

    You do realize this is a VIDEO GAME right?

    I mean, I can understand trying to feel superior but trying to feel superior on the fact you like a particular VIDEO GAME?

    /Facepalm

    well its not a simple Video Game as the rest, its an MMORPG, means Massive Multiplay Online Role Play Game ..

    nah ... mmorpg does not mean much .. it is just a convenient label for a group of online games that share some common features (like LFD).

     

  • vandal5627vandal5627 Jersey City, NJPosts: 586Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by loulaki
    Originally posted by jpnz
    Originally posted by UsualSuspect
     

    That would be great, let them go to another game, get rid of the disease of solo whiners and let's get the people who want to actually play an online game back into the genre. Those 'features', as you put it, appeal to the brainless masses who just want to stare zombie like at the screen, pressing buttons until they get bright flashes of colour and cheery sounds to praise them for how 'amazing' they are at playing the game.

    Yeah, I wouldn't shed any tears if they up and left.

    ROFL!

    'Disease of solo whiners'?

    You do realize this is a VIDEO GAME right?

    I mean, I can understand trying to feel superior but trying to feel superior on the fact you like a particular VIDEO GAME?

    /Facepalm

    well its not a simple Video Game as the rest, its an MMORPG, means Massive Multiplay Online Role Play Game ..

    I'm sure it's still simply a VIDEO GAME. :)

  • ArclanArclan Chicago, ILPosts: 1,494Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by vandal5627
    Originally posted by loulaki Originally posted by jpnz Originally posted by UsualSuspect
    That would be great, let them go to another game, get rid of the disease of solo whiners and let's get the people who want to actually play an online game back into the genre. Those 'features', as you put it, appeal to the brainless masses who just want to stare zombie like at the screen, pressing buttons until they get bright flashes of colour and cheery sounds to praise them for how 'amazing' they are at playing the game. Yeah, I wouldn't shed any tears if they up and left.
    ROFL! 'Disease of solo whiners'? You do realize this is a VIDEO GAME right? I mean, I can understand trying to feel superior but trying to feel superior on the fact you like a particular VIDEO GAME? /Facepalm
    well its not a simple Video Game as the rest, its an MMORPG, means Massive Multiplay Online Role Play Game ..
    I'm sure it's still simply a VIDEO GAME. :)

    I don't think veterans with 8,000 hours played in the MMO of their choice would characterize the MMO genre as simple at the time. It certainly is now, however.

    /agree UsualSuspect and Vandal562. I think this genre needs more polarization. What we have now is a gaming soup kitchen feeding the same slop to everyone.

    Luckily, i don't need you to like me to enjoy video games. -nariusseldon.
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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by Arclan

    I don't think veterans with 8,000 hours played in the MMO of their choice would characterize the MMO genre as simple at the time. It certainly is now, however.

     

    What does time played have to do with anything? Lots of people spend lots of time on farmville, tetris, freecell too.

    MMO is just part of video games, no more, no less.

     

  • TorikTorik London, ONPosts: 2,343Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by UsualSuspect
     

    That would be great, let them go to another game, get rid of the disease of solo whiners and let's get the people who want to actually play an online game back into the genre. Those 'features', as you put it, appeal to the brainless masses who just want to stare zombie like at the screen, pressing buttons until they get bright flashes of colour and cheery sounds to praise them for how 'amazing' they are at playing the game.

    Yeah, I wouldn't shed any tears if they up and left.

    As opposed to the features that appealed to the brainless zombies who like old school games like EQ?

  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by Torik
    Originally posted by UsualSuspect
     

    That would be great, let them go to another game, get rid of the disease of solo whiners and let's get the people who want to actually play an online game back into the genre. Those 'features', as you put it, appeal to the brainless masses who just want to stare zombie like at the screen, pressing buttons until they get bright flashes of colour and cheery sounds to praise them for how 'amazing' they are at playing the game.

    Yeah, I wouldn't shed any tears if they up and left.

    As opposed to the features that appealed to the brainless zombies who like old school games like EQ?

    You actually cannot get more brainless than staring at a spellbook.

     

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