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General: Zenimax to Oculus: Misappropriation of Trade Secrets

SBFordSBFord Associate Editor - News ManagerThe Land of AZPosts: 16,658MMORPG.COM Staff Uncommon

Zenimax has officially filed a lawsuit claiming 'misappropriation of trade secrets' against Oculus VR. Polygon ferreted out a copy of the filing that alleges Oculus "wrongfully taken ... ZeniMax['s] intellectual property and commercially exploited it for their own gain." 

In the suit, ZeniMax officials say that the company has for many years invested "tens of millions of dollars" in research and development into, among other things, virtual reality and immersive technologies. Carmack, according to the suit, also conducted research to address technological issues associated with virtual reality.

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  • flizzerflizzer Manchester, NHPosts: 1,550Member Uncommon
    I'm loving this!  I expect numerous threads arguing back and forth from people who have no idea about the legal niceties of this case.  Bring it on!
  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,223Member Uncommon
    So now the official suit has been filed. How long before proceedings start?
  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,223Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by flizzer
    I'm loving this!  I expect numerous threads arguing back and forth from people who have no idea about the legal niceties of this case.  Bring it on!

    Surprisingly even non lawyers have concerns and investments about our future. Maybe we should just let the lawyers handle everything. They're doing a great job with Net Neutrality image

  • Roman291Roman291 Herndon, VAPosts: 97Member Uncommon
    I hope this doesn't lead to taking resources away from Eso.
  • darkedone02darkedone02 Louisville, KYPosts: 552Member
    I hope Zenimax loses as they been harassing people left and right recently this year and last year.

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  • DartoxerDartoxer BudapestPosts: 11Member
    I highly recommend changing the picture. Since I'm pretty sure it's Zenimax Media who filed that lawsuit and not ZOS.
     
  • WizardryWizardry Ontario, CanadaPosts: 8,467Member Uncommon

    There is some funny facts here.Years and tens of millions then Carmack.I respect Carmack but he has not been with Zeni max that long.

    The way it looks is yes maybe they did come to them to ask for help in promoting it,that is believable but does not warrant any law suit.It appears that the Zeni max side of things was for thEIR own personal gain,they wanted the Rift to be a better version for THEIR Doom game,that does NOT mean they were trying to invest into the technological advancements of Occulus Rift,just they wanted THEIR product to be better and more marketable.

    I see this law suit being as vible as if Occulus sued Zeni for using the RIFT to help promote THEIR product"Doom BFG",which is EXACTLY what Zeni did.

    Now the dead give away as to who is the liar.Does ANYONE believe for one second that IF Zeni invested multi millions in this field with NO product of their own would agree to a simple 2%?

     

    No frigging way,if i developed as Zeni claims the majority of the technical side that makes the product viable i would not be asking for 2% but more like 50+%.

    What this looks like is Zeni was jealous ,both sides tried to work a deal to SHARE in it all but Zeni was too greedy and it fell through.So then when Occulus Rift started to hire Zeni employees,Zeni's lawyers informed them there was a chance at a law suit.

    The FACTS we do know is that there WAS a product ,the RIFT,weather it was fully viable is not fact but Zeni's opinion.We KNOW Zeni was using that so called non viable product to HELP promote the Doom BFG edition,so far i see it Zeni is the true culprit of using someone else's product to promote their own game.

     


    Samoan Diamond

  • laseritlaserit Vancouver, BCPosts: 1,952Member Uncommon

    I'm sure all the Armchair Lawyer's will be crawling on out of the woodwork.

     

    One thing that I am sure of is:

     

    That there isn't enough reliable information floating around the internet to make any kind of judgement or informed opinion that is worth a piece of poop.

    "If you make an ass out of yourself, there will always be someone to ride you." - Bruce Lee

  • DistopiaDistopia Baltimore, MDPosts: 16,916Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by laserit

    I'm sure all the Armchair Lawyer's will be crawling on out of the woodwork.

     

    One thing that I am sure of is:

     

    That there isn't enough reliable information floating around the internet to make any kind of judgement or informed opinion that is worth a piece of poop.

    Exactly... which makes Wizardry's post all the more hilarious.

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

    It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason- Me

  • RebellonRebellon Woodhaven, NYPosts: 49Member
    How in the world can Zenimax claim Oculus rift as their creation it probably would have had so many bugs to begin with. Try fixing the mess that is called ESS (Elders Scroll Solo)
  • SeelinnikoiSeelinnikoi LONDONPosts: 661Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Roman291
    I hope this doesn't lead to taking resources away from Eso.

    What resources?!

    *badum tsss*

  • Geebus80Geebus80 Calgary, ABPosts: 92Member

    Throw this bullshit out and fine zenimax for misuse of the legal system.

     

    They dont say a word when it gets kickstarted, becomes a sensation and only when facebook buys them they go after it? What an obvious money grab from an obviously immoral company.

     

    Zenimax, the newest edition to my boycott list.

  • strykr619strykr619 San Diego, CAPosts: 144Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Geebus80

    Throw this bullshit out and fine zenimax for misuse of the legal system.

     

    They dont say a word when it gets kickstarted, becomes a sensation and only when facebook buys them they go after it? What an obvious money grab from an obviously immoral company.

     

    Zenimax, the newest edition to my boycott list.

    I hope OR losses, Karma for being the sellouts they are. Note, don't bring in consultants when they are still in the employ of a mutlimedia company.... 

  • hatefulpeacehatefulpeace fuck, NEPosts: 180Member
    Originally posted by Geebus80

    Throw this bullshit out and fine zenimax for misuse of the legal system.

     

    They dont say a word when it gets kickstarted, becomes a sensation and only when facebook buys them they go after it? What an obvious money grab from an obviously immoral company.

     

    Zenimax, the newest edition to my boycott list.

    I boycotted them after the first month of Eso. I dono about lawsuits, but ethier way it's just rich bastards so I could care less.

  • hatefulpeacehatefulpeace fuck, NEPosts: 180Member
    Originally posted by strykr619
    Originally posted by Geebus80

    Throw this bullshit out and fine zenimax for misuse of the legal system.

     

    They dont say a word when it gets kickstarted, becomes a sensation and only when facebook buys them they go after it? What an obvious money grab from an obviously immoral company.

     

    Zenimax, the newest edition to my boycott list.

    I hope OR losses, Karma for being the sellouts they are. Note, don't bring in consultants when they are still in the employ of a mutlimedia company.... 

    If there was really karma we would all be dead........

  • tawesstawess LkpgPosts: 2,537Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by strykr619

    I hope OR losses, Karma for being the sellouts they are. Note, don't bring in consultants when they are still in the employ of a mutlimedia company.... 

     

    Sellouts...??? Are you really so delusional that you think that the money they got from the kickstarter would be enough to get them anywhere beyond the prototype stage...?

     

    There was never a question that they would get bought... The question was just who would do it and in those kinds of deals the biggest checkbook always speak. (unless ofc the company is in the market of selling crack cocain to puppies)

     

    The second part of the post is pretty sound advice on the other hand. Always make a iron-clad before bringing in consultants that potentially can be a violation of a non-competitor clause... Then again it is Carmac, i am pretty sure he thinks such petty things like the laws of men.. or gravity... apply to him. =P

  • DMKanoDMKano Gamercentral, AKPosts: 8,575Member Uncommon

    I hope Facebook buys Zenimax Media and then shuts them down.

    Might be cheaper than the lawsuit.

    And 3 billion is pocket change for FB.

     

    The higher likelyhood is that Facebook will just drag it out to where Zenimax loses too much money on the lawsuit and just gives up - again pocket change for FB.

  • DistopiaDistopia Baltimore, MDPosts: 16,916Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Ragnar1337
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    Gamer logic strikes with 10,000+ damage... ESO is one title, good or bad it doesn't equate an entire franchise as tarnished. BTW It is a multiplayer game....

    Gotta love how one bad game ( if it is really bad) can bring a company down in such a way. TES games are some of the best RPG's around today IMO, I couldn't care less how ESO does, either way it won't change that.

    Also gotta love VR fans running to defend OR sights unseen, facts unknown... Mostly fueled by the above reasoning I suspect, ZOS put out an MMO they didn't enjoy.

    Now back to reality... Who knows who has a case or lack there of here, certainly no one here.

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

    It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason- Me

  • BMBenderBMBender Nowhere, NCPosts: 568Member Uncommon

    You guys don't get out much do you? News almost a month old....
    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/411735
    What couldn't figure out how to get animated cleavage on the news ticker?

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  • asmkm22asmkm22 Anchorage, AKPosts: 1,788Member
    Originally posted by darkedone02
    I hope Zenimax loses as they been harassing people left and right recently this year and last year.

    What if they have a legitimate complaint?  Should they just lose on principle or something?

    You make me like charity

  • asmkm22asmkm22 Anchorage, AKPosts: 1,788Member
    Originally posted by BMBender

    You guys don't get out much do you? News almost a month old....
    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/411735
    What couldn't figure out how to get animated cleavage on the news ticker?

    Actually, that is from when they stated their intention to sue.  It's hitting the circuit again today, and considered news, because they actually sued (filed the papers and such).  Shit just got real, so to speak.

    You make me like charity

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,223Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by BMBender

    You guys don't get out much do you? News almost a month old....
    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/411735
    What couldn't figure out how to get animated cleavage on the news ticker?

    Did you even RTFA?

    Zenimax has filed suit. Oculus has also responded saying they will fight it. Here is another link: http://kotaku.com/zenimax-sues-oculus-1579689844

    Zeni thinks they have a solid suit or they probably wouldn't have filed. Oculus thinks they're right or they would have settled by now. I think we'll see something like the latest Apple versus Samsung where they both won some of their points and lost others. It will be costly.

  • HokieHokie Vancouver Wa.Posts: 1,063Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by BMBender

    You guys don't get out much do you? News almost a month old....
    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/411735
    What couldn't figure out how to get animated cleavage on the news ticker?

    Did you even RTFA?

    Zenimax has filed suit. Oculus has also responded saying they will fight it. Here is another link: http://kotaku.com/zenimax-sues-oculus-1579689844

    Zeni thinks they have a solid suit or they probably wouldn't have filed. Oculus thinks they're right or they would have settled by now. I think we'll see something like the latest Apple versus Samsung where they both won some of their points and lost others. It will be costly.

    Yeah, I have this feeling that Zeni will be able to solidly back some of those allegations, but not all. Which is why Occulus is saying no we wont budge.

    Id almost bet it doesnt even get that far into litigation before they come to some kind of agreement.

    "I understand that if I hear any more words come pouring out of your **** mouth, Ill have to eat every fucking chicken in this room."

  • BMBenderBMBender Nowhere, NCPosts: 568Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by asmkm22

    Originally posted by BMBender You guys don't get out much do you? News almost a month old.... http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/411735 What couldn't figure out how to get animated cleavage on the news ticker?
    Actually, that is from when they stated their intention to sue.  It's hitting the circuit again today, and considered news, because they actually sued (filed the papers and such).  Shit just got real, so to speak.
    As an update to an existing story sure; Zem said they intended to pursue legal action in back early May. A story by the WSJ, witch most game rags carried (except MMORPG). This story is merely a "yup they did it like they said they would" not something out of the blue like MMORPG is presenting it as.

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  • BMBenderBMBender Nowhere, NCPosts: 568Member Uncommon

    Nevermind I retract my earlier statements MMORPG did carry the original story; musta missed it. http://www.mmorpg.com/newsroom.cfm/loadNews/31031

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