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[Column] Neverwinter: A Bump in the Road to Icewind Dale

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When Bill, our Editor in Chief at MMORPG.com, asked me if I would mind taking a look at Module 3: Curse of Icewind Dale I told him absolutely. It had been a while since I had played, I’m still logging in daily to pray for those tokens though, but I had been looking forward to this content update and I would dive back in and take a look. When I tried to do that though I hit a little bump in the road.

Read more of Rob Lashley's Neverwinter: A Bump in the Road to Icewind.

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  • azzamasinazzamasin Butler, OHPosts: 3,058Member Uncommon

    Perfectly acceptable to gate content.  Look at it like this:

     

    You haven't played in a while you need to progress more to access the content freshly released.

     

    No one bitches that your character you left in WoW in unable to jump right in and do the latest WoW raid and you've not played since the expansion was released, let alone 3-4 raid cycles ago.  Gated content regardless of the business model used for a company is something that reinforces progression and progression is always a good thing in an MMO.  It gives something for current players to strive for and it gives incentive for past players to stick around or miss out on potential content.  I'm sorry you felt like you've been screwed but every single game does this for everyone whose left their game for any length of time.  You want to access the new content then you need to stick around and do the old content.  Simple enough if you ask me.

    Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

    Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!

    Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!

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  • CaldannachCaldannach West DraytonPosts: 1Member

    The game sucks anyway. Its full of glitchers, shortcutters, and the kind of people that would sell their own grandmother for a perfect enchantment, and then brag about it on zone chat. Its one of the most cretinous communities i have ever come across in any MMO.

    Its the only game i know, where if they fixed all the bugs and glitches possible, the playerbase would actually decrease. 

  • Overfiend138Overfiend138 Pittsburgh, PAPosts: 52Member
    I dropped this game as soon as I saw the term "gear score" appear. 
  • officialfiveofficialfive Huntsville, ALPosts: 37Member Uncommon
    This game is not for a honest player. If you are a hacker this game is for you.
  • ChadiwickerChadiwicker Posts: 79Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by officialfive
    This game is not for a honest player. If you are a hacker this game is for you.

    My guild is full of honest players and I'm sure the majority of players are.

  • azzamasinazzamasin Butler, OHPosts: 3,058Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Chadiwicker
    Originally posted by officialfive
    This game is not for a honest player. If you are a hacker this game is for you.

    My guild is full of honest players and I'm sure the majority of players are.

    Yea most are and most are really nice and helpful.  I wish my guild wouldn't of quit because I actually enjoyed the game.  I also wish they'd done something to reward Foundry missions, one of the truly remarkable and enjoyable things I loved about the game.

    Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

    Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!

    Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!

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  • RohnRohn Saint Peters, MOPosts: 3,740Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by azzamasin

    Perfectly acceptable to gate content.  Look at it like this:

     

    You haven't played in a while you need to progress more to access the content freshly released.

     

    No one bitches that your character you left in WoW in unable to jump right in and do the latest WoW raid and you've not played since the expansion was released, let alone 3-4 raid cycles ago.  Gated content regardless of the business model used for a company is something that reinforces progression and progression is always a good thing in an MMO.  It gives something for current players to strive for and it gives incentive for past players to stick around or miss out on potential content.  I'm sorry you felt like you've been screwed but every single game does this for everyone whose left their game for any length of time.  You want to access the new content then you need to stick around and do the old content.  Simple enough if you ask me.

     

    Agree with the above completely.

    There are so many complaints about "instant gratification", and meaningless content, it's amusing when people complain when it isn't.

    Play the game, you'll get to the new content, once your character has progressed sufficiently through the rest of the game.  It give you a goal, and in this case, one that's not all that hard to reach.

    Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.

  • AlverantAlverant Wheaton, ILPosts: 528Member Uncommon

    "logging in daily to pray for those tokens"

    Yeah, that's 90% of why I log in first thing in the morning before work. I'm one week away from that angel. Hooray!

  • DarkagesDarkages CAPosts: 73Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Alverant

    "logging in daily to pray for those tokens"

    Yeah, that's 90% of why I log in first thing in the morning before work. I'm one week away from that angel. Hooray!

    Damn congrats, i stopped doing that a few months ago and wish i kept it up.

  • RohnRohn Saint Peters, MOPosts: 3,740Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Alverant

    "logging in daily to pray for those tokens"

    Yeah, that's 90% of why I log in first thing in the morning before work. I'm one week away from that angel. Hooray!

     

    You, sir, are a bad dude.  I wish I had been as consistent - would love to have that angel, but I'm probably a couple months away.

    Too many games to play....

    Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.

  • FeonixoFeonixo WellingtonPosts: 27Member

    Are you worthy of travelling to the dale? Did you fight back the Fey or destroy the illusions of the Red Wizards? No? Well, go back and prove yourself, then we will see you there.

    Did you ever stop to think maybe the mobs in the Dale require you to be a bit more prepared? They are definitely made of tougher stuff than the previous modules. Some of us didn't stop playing.. some of us don't just log in to pray. You are saying because you have to catch up, it's a bad thing.. give me a break. If there is no progression in a game, no goals to strive for, then why play it?

    I think what this comes down to is that you had limited time to do a review, and couldn't just skip through and test the content. Instead,  you thought you would write how unfair you thought it was. Poor form. 

  • Dreamo84Dreamo84 Niagara Falls, NYPosts: 3,437Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Feonixo

    Are you worthy of travelling to the dale? Did you fight back the Fey or destroy the illusions of the Red Wizards? No? Well, go back and prove yourself, then we will see you there.

    Did you ever stop to think maybe the mobs in the Dale require you to be a bit more prepared? They are definitely made of tougher stuff than the previous modules. Some of us didn't stop playing.. some of us don't just log in to pray. You are saying because you have to catch up, it's a bad thing.. give me a break. If there is no progression in a game, no goals to strive for, then why play it?

    I think what this comes down to is that you had limited time to do a review, and couldn't just skip through and test the content. Instead,  you thought you would write how unfair you thought it was. Poor form. 

    In the spirit of DnD though shouldn't they let you travel anywhere you want? I'm presuming Icewind Dale is a whole adventure zone and not just some dungeons. Why not let me go there and see how tough it is for myself? Why arbitrarily gate me from the content?

    Even WoW let's me go to lvl 60 zones at lvl 1 and get my ass kicked.

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  • MMOGamer71MMOGamer71 Pittsburgh, PAPosts: 1,930Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by azzamasin

    Perfectly acceptable to gate content.  Look at it like this:

     

    You haven't played in a while you need to progress more to access the content freshly released.

     

    No one bitches that your character you left in WoW in unable to jump right in and do the latest WoW raid and you've not played since the expansion was released, let alone 3-4 raid cycles ago.  Gated content regardless of the business model used for a company is something that reinforces progression and progression is always a good thing in an MMO.  It gives something for current players to strive for and it gives incentive for past players to stick around or miss out on potential content.  I'm sorry you felt like you've been screwed but every single game does this for everyone whose left their game for any length of time.  You want to access the new content then you need to stick around and do the old content.  Simple enough if you ask me.

    Except in WoW the green trash drops and quest rewards in the new expansions have a higher Item Level (Gear Score) than your raid gear you spent weeks/months getting in the old end game content which makes the need to do the old stuff 1st in WoW unneeded.

  • AnirethAnireth Posts: 599Member Uncommon

    The new trash in NW doesn't have a higher GS than the old epics. If you're speaking about WoW, that may be, no idea.

    Regarding gating it: The only thing that i think they could have done differently would be the boons. Getting the third boon if you never touched Sharandar or the Dread Ring takes quite a while. Level 60 and 10k GS is nothing. The fighter classes get GS handed for breakfast,  CW has to earn it (seriously, when i had better equip than my friend who plays GF, he had like 4k more), not sure about ther other classes.

    But even with T1 sets you should be able to get 10k. If you picked random epics without set bonus maybe not.  T1 sets are relatively cheap if you play regularly, and you can get several the parts from the easy dungeons, too. There are also some relatively cheap T2 sets.

    If you regularly do dungeons you'll get seals (unicorn or drake), if you do Gauntlgrym you can buy things with Grym coins. And even if you mostly do only the 4 PVP matches for the daily quest, you'll get lots of glory. If you have a nice guild or enough friends, you do not even have to wait for dungeon delve anymore, as you get one chest key per day. Additional keys for T2 dungeons cost 5000 astral diamonds - you should almost always make more than that by sellign the items from the chest (and salvagn the character bound stuff).

    A way bigger issue is the bugs, and even more so, the lag. They should invest into better servers and optimize the game more. They surely make enough money, especially right now where players are craving for ZEN.

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    And then I'll rise with the tide with a lust for life, I'll
    Amass an army, and we'll harness a horde
    And then we'll limp across the land until we stand at the shore

  • DangerNobuoDangerNobuo Willow River, MNPosts: 85Member Uncommon

    Considering this isn't a tabletop roleplaying forum I'm going to keep my mouth shut for the most part.

    Still, 4th edition is not a fiasco and up until possibly 5th edition (and potentially afterwards) easily had the most internally consistent and logical ruleset.

  • GrakulenGrakulen Staff Writer St. Charles, MOPosts: 460MMORPG.COM Staff Uncommon
    Originally posted by Alverant

    "logging in daily to pray for those tokens"

    Yeah, that's 90% of why I log in first thing in the morning before work. I'm one week away from that angel. Hooray!

    Yeah you got me beat. I'm only at 326. Got about another month to go.

  • KhinRuniteKhinRunite ManilaPosts: 879Member
    Originally posted by azzamasin

    Perfectly acceptable to gate content.  Look at it like this:

     

    You haven't played in a while you need to progress more to access the content freshly released.

     

    No one bitches that your character you left in WoW in unable to jump right in and do the latest WoW raid and you've not played since the expansion was released, let alone 3-4 raid cycles ago.  Gated content regardless of the business model used for a company is something that reinforces progression and progression is always a good thing in an MMO.  It gives something for current players to strive for and it gives incentive for past players to stick around or miss out on potential content.  I'm sorry you felt like you've been screwed but every single game does this for everyone whose left their game for any length of time.  You want to access the new content then you need to stick around and do the old content.  Simple enough if you ask me.

    The problem is how it was gated exactly. In the case of NWN, and WoW, it's about gearscore. If all you need to do is beat all bosses in older dungeons at least ONCE then I won't have a problem with it, but that's not the case.

  • VaselVasel ausin, TXPosts: 90Member Uncommon
    This game is the poster child for "GREED" in gaming. Such a money sink hole if you wan to get anywhere. Never looking back. If your smart you would to.
  • cronius77cronius77 Fairfax, VAPosts: 1,347Member Uncommon
    i have to agree with most here. This game is a lot of fun and has some really good qualities about it but its run and designed in every single way to milk and bleed your wallet dry like all PWE games.  I know Cryptic has little choice in the matter since PWE bought up their studio but sheesh this is probably the worst cash grab game ive ever played in terms of milking your wallet dry.
  • Asm0deusAsm0deus BaatorPosts: 1,113Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Dreamo84
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    In the spirit of DnD though shouldn't they let you travel anywhere you want? I'm presuming Icewind Dale is a whole adventure zone and not just some dungeons. Why not let me go there and see how tough it is for myself? Why arbitrarily gate me from the content?

    Even WoW let's me go to lvl 60 zones at lvl 1 and get my ass kicked.

    Heh they forgot about the spirit of DnD long ago.....Can't say I am surprised about this, I had such hopes for this game :(

     

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  • MMOGamer71MMOGamer71 Pittsburgh, PAPosts: 1,930Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Anireth

    The new trash in NW doesn't have a higher GS than the old epics. If you're speaking about WoW, that may be, no idea.........................

     They surely make enough money, especially right now where players are craving for ZEN.

    BINGO !!!

    That is why it is Gearscore locked.

  • Asm0deusAsm0deus BaatorPosts: 1,113Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by MMOGamer71
    Originally posted by Anireth

    The new trash in NW doesn't have a higher GS than the old epics. If you're speaking about WoW, that may be, no idea.........................

     They surely make enough money, especially right now where players are craving for ZEN.

    BINGO !!!

    That is why it is Gearscore locked.

    Who cares if mobs are stronger? Maybe some of us have more skill or just want to run around and see how hard the mobs will beat us.

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  • DistopiaDistopia Baltimore, MDPosts: 16,911Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Asm0deus
    Originally posted by MMOGamer71
    Originally posted by Anireth

    The new trash in NW doesn't have a higher GS than the old epics. If you're speaking about WoW, that may be, no idea.........................

     They surely make enough money, especially right now where players are craving for ZEN.

    BINGO !!!

    That is why it is Gearscore locked.

    Who cares if mobs are stronger? Maybe some of us have more skill or just want to run around and see how hard the mobs will beat us.

    This looks more like "I need to find a reason" than it does" this is my reason".

    The way I look at it is, they made a free to play game, they've released just about all content additions for free, the catch is that you have to work your way to it in the game. If you actually like the game that shouldn't be a problem in my eyes.

    There's no reason to open it up if those who are actually into the game don't feel they need to.

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  • MMOGamer71MMOGamer71 Pittsburgh, PAPosts: 1,930Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by Asm0deus
    Originally posted by MMOGamer71
    Originally posted by Anireth

    The new trash in NW doesn't have a higher GS than the old epics. If you're speaking about WoW, that may be, no idea.........................

     They surely make enough money, especially right now where players are craving for ZEN.

    BINGO !!!

    That is why it is Gearscore locked.

    Who cares if mobs are stronger? Maybe some of us have more skill or just want to run around and see how hard the mobs will beat us.

    This looks more like "I need to find a reason" than it does" this is my reason".

    The way I look at it is, they made a free to play game, they've released just about all content additions for free, the catch is that you have to work your way to it in the game. If you actually like the game that shouldn't be a problem in my eyes.

    There's no reason to open it up if those who are actually into the game don't feel they need to.

    Wait what?

     

    You just took a dump on the whole F2P game model.

  • Asm0deusAsm0deus BaatorPosts: 1,113Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Distopia
    ......

    This looks more like "I need to find a reason" than it does" this is my reason".

    The way I look at it is, they made a free to play game, they've released just about all content additions for free, the catch is that you have to work your way to it in the game. If you actually like the game that shouldn't be a problem in my eyes.

    There's no reason to open it up if those who are actually into the game don't feel they need to.

    The game is suppose to embody DnD and frankly does a very poor job of it, and forgets some very important things about it. I wont go into this as my opinion on this  I have made clear in more relevant threads.

    I have a few 60 from when I played and the guild I created is still there.  The way they gate some of this stuff is hilarious especially considering leveling and doing the main quest is not hard in the game.

    Getting the gearscore or getting to 60 isn't a challenge, getting a group that wont glitch, cheat and generally use cheesy tactics in the raids is though.

    Tell me is the reason for a gearscore?

    Why would you care if others are doing something with lesser gear than yours and even less if they are having success or not?

     

    I am okay with a level requirement and even ok if they had put a "gearscore suggested" warning on content so people had an inkling but making it a "requirement"....

     

     

    Shadowstep the Assassin walks up to the bar and orders a dirty kobold as he sits down next to Eversharp the Blade his famous fighter friend and says, " Well met old friend, how has lady luck treated you lately?"

    "Why if it isn't Shadow my old sneak of a companion! Things could be better, lady luck has been flighty lately..... Where have you been?" replies Eversharp.

    Shadow looks around casually and lowers his voice, "I have been searching around for some old ruins and have finally found them, naturally I thought of my old friends and wanted to ask you to join me in the looting?"

    "Alas I cannot!" cries Eversharp. He looks Shadowstep in the eyes and says," misfortune has taken my +16 armor of invincibility away from me along with my boots of quickness and my bracers of speed....even my blade of super duper awesomeness is gone......" He looks away and mumbles, " without those all my experience and skill is for naught and I would only be a burden"........

    Shadow reaches over and.........

    ....And so our intrepid heroes stayed at the tavern and got nice and inebriated instead of have a good rousing adventure.....

     

     

    Ideas of what should be being subjective YMMV ofc.

     

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