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  • MothanosMothanos ArnhemPosts: 1,860Member Uncommon

    There isnt a single site i trust anymore, i rather play a beta or snif around the interweb myself before buying any mmo these days.

    ESO has solid things other mmo's just lack.

    Questing is done wonderfull even if you encounter some horrid quest bug or need to relog.
    All quests are voice acted.
    ESO is a harcore quest grinder and even tough you can farm mobs to level 50 if you choose so at V1 this quickly ends !

    Difficulty of the game is good, Going against Molag Bal as a vampire is Nightmare mode x3.
    Even tough you have 5 active skills a block / attack / Ultimate there are TONS of builds you can make.
    Make no mistake once you hit Veteran Rank 1 your "bad" skill selection will get you in trouble.
    If you are a vampire like me then some quests might get you 1 or 2 shotted making the game even for hardcore gamers a challenge !

    Cyrodiil is a great zone, its just realy badly implemented in terms of leveling your character...
    I realy wish they would open this zone up for people who get tired of the quest grind and want to walk another path to max level.
    Why Zenimax dint do this is realy realy stupid :(

    Graphics are good, toss in Radeon Pro with a preset + ESO launcher and you have a totaly diffrent game engine ! :)
    No more fog and Shader 5 + draw distance on max needs a beast pc, but man its jaw dropping eyecandy.

    Community seems shit like all mmo's these days :(
    I have a solid guild so i always group with them, but its like each mmo that comes out brings more and more douchebags.

    Dungeon Crawling is ok and even tough i would like to have them a little harder at V1+ i think you also need lesser skilled people to clear those and get used to its difficulty.
    Craglorn needs to be insane tough, endgame is what i am looking forward to the most.

    When i need to give a verdict about ESO i would rate it a 7/10 but no where near a 9/10
    I think i can safely say that many people wont make it to V10 before ending their sub.
    This game might be to hardcore for "casuals" to grind trough and with a wrong skill selection your going to die a thousand times.
    As this game can make you frustrated as fack at some points.

    Zenimax is in for a rough ride with this one no doubt.
    But even with all its flaws, it certainly has its charme and is a welcome change to all the easy mode mmo's out there.

    Again a 7/10 is a good average maybe a 6/10 for now untill they iron out the massive list of class and quest bugs.

  • DrunkWolfDrunkWolf Posts: 1,179Member Uncommon
    yeah and Star wars was a 9/10 on these sites to.
  • ShephardShephard Clarksville, IAPosts: 69Member
    Reviews for MMOs mean nothing, both good and  bad.  If reviews meant anything, games like SWTOR, WAR and GW2 would be the most successful MMOs but they were the opposite.
  • venatsvenats Norristown, PAPosts: 106Member
    Originally posted by Shephard
    Reviews for MMOs mean nothing, both good and  bad.  If reviews meant anything, games like SWTOR, WAR and GW2 would be the most successful MMOs but they were the opposite.

    SWTOR and GW2 are both financially positive by a wide margin.

    To be financially positive they need to have players playing.

    WAR died a horrible death, and was never profitable or positive.

  • KnotwoodKnotwood Missoula, MTPosts: 1,103Member
    Originally posted by Bigdaddyx

    People only post reviews of well known critics and review sites. Its the same for every other MMO released before ESO. Its not some conspiracy against ESO trust me.

    Majority of the websites you linked..i am sure many do not even know about. Even for me these sites are unknown.

    I have always paid attention to PC gamer, IGN and Gamespot for all my reviewing needs.

    IGN  7/10.  Gave it a great review.

    http://www.ign.com/videos/2014/04/21/the-elder-scrolls-online-review

    My review on PC Gamer and Gamespot reviews...

    As far as PC gamer and Gamespot  PC Gamer use just a blogger, who wanted more sandbox PVP then the RPG side of the game and doesn't like questing at all, and as far as Gamespot goes, the guy who did the review slapped every Elder Scrolls fans in the face by bashing on oblivion IV (even when gamespot gave Oblivion 9/10 long ago) and wanted nothing more then a sandbox game so he gave it a 6/10. 

     

    When you have a list as long as the OP shows praising a game,  I think its safe to say, two of the three you listed is pretty much wrong, and I just listed the reasons why they gave their poor reviews because I read them already and they wanted completely different game genres.

  • KnotwoodKnotwood Missoula, MTPosts: 1,103Member
    Originally posted by Pemmin
    Originally posted by Scot
     

    The following reviewers gave TESO between 8 and 9 out of ten:

    GamesBeat

    Cheat Code Central

    Hooked Gamers

    Meristation

    Impulsegamer

    XGN

    4Players.de

    Merlin'in Kazan? (Turkey)

    Strategy Informer

    Eurogamer Spain

    InsideGamer.nl

    The Escapist

    3DJuegos

    NowGamer

    Digital Spy

    games(TM)

    Hardcore Gamer Magazine

    Game Revolution

    Check Metacritic for links to full reviews.

    I don't pay that much attention to reviews if I am playing the game myself. But posters on this site want to keep telling us about 6/10 reviews, so I am pointing out that most reviewers think that is a ridiculous score for TESO. Reviews are mixed on TESO because it is trying to do something different, somewhat slower progression (nothing like as slow in the old days), no Auction House and other differences do not go down well with many players. Having been fed on a diet of easyMMO's and MOBA's thats hardly a surprise.

    I would put it at an 8+ myself.

    just gonna throw this out there but over half of those were done on release day April 4th and Merlin'in Kazan? (Turkey) was done on april 2nd.

    Your basicly saying that release date wasn't good enough of a review date?   That it should be judged on bugs and not how good the game was up to launch?

  • Superman0XSuperman0X San Jose, CAPosts: 1,593Member Uncommon

    The current metacritic rating is 74

    http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/the-elder-scrolls-online

    You can just read the reviews for yourself. A 'good' rating is considered 85+ 

     

     

  • keithiankeithian Los Angeles, CAPosts: 3,042Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Superman0X

    The current metacritic rating is 74

    http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/the-elder-scrolls-online

    You can just read the reviews for yourself. A 'good' rating is considered 85+ 

     

     

    Ridiculous, with that mindset I would have missed a lot of awesome movies on rotten tomatoes and skipped a lot of good games. Most of these so called professional reviews are ratings based on things I couldn't give a crap about including Bill on this site who will probably give the game a 7 out of 10.

    There Is Always Hope!

  • keithiankeithian Los Angeles, CAPosts: 3,042Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Creatorzim
    Originally posted by Scot
     

    The following reviewers gave TESO between 8 and 9 out of ten:

    GamesBeat

    Cheat Code Central

    Hooked Gamers

    Meristation

    Impulsegamer

    XGN

    4Players.de

    Merlin'in Kazan? (Turkey)

    Strategy Informer

    Eurogamer Spain

    InsideGamer.nl

    The Escapist

    3DJuegos

    NowGamer

    Digital Spy

    games(TM)

    Hardcore Gamer Magazine

    Game Revolution

    Check Metacritic for links to full reviews.

    I don't pay that much attention to reviews if I am playing the game myself. But posters on this site want to keep telling us about 6/10 reviews, so I am pointing out that most reviewers think that is a ridiculous score for TESO. Reviews are mixed on TESO because it is trying to do something different, somewhat slower progression (nothing like as slow in the old days), no Auction House and other differences do not go down well with many players. Having been fed on a diet of easyMMO's and MOBA's thats hardly a surprise.

    I would put it at an 8+ not a 9 myself.

     

    So no one anyone has heard of and was probably paid off pretty easily...Nice. 

    You've never heard of Digital Spy, the escapist, eurogamer, and gaming revolution? You must be new to gaming. Regardless a popular site doesn't make the review any more valid, especially when it's premise is comparing to a single player game which ZENIMAX said months ago that they weren't trying to make Skyrim Online. Unrealistic people from all spectrums of life just can't accept that.

    There Is Always Hope!

  • keithiankeithian Los Angeles, CAPosts: 3,042Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by fivoroth
    Originally posted by BeansnBread
    Originally posted by baphamet

    so what about the negative reviews that were done before launch that the community here took as law? if its negative its a good review, positive and its because they got paid.

    that's how the mmo community here works.

    the problem with a lot of these reviewers is they compare it to single player games and not other mmo's

    IMO if this mmo is average then so is every single other current mmo.

    There are no negative reviews on Metacritic that were on or before April 4th.

    Critics don't review games before their launch... Or did you mean user reviews? Metacritic doesn't allow you to review a game before its launch. But there were negative user reviews on the 4th April and they were referring to their gameplay before launch (e.g. beta).

    I think people who give 0 reviews should be banned from metacritic. It's one thing to give a negative review but a 0. Those people are stupid as fuck. How many games deserve a 0/10. I haven't played a single game that deserves 0/10. It's just not objective. A 0/10 means the game is exceptionally bad. It mean it's broken, unplayable, is worse than 90% of the games out there and has 0 redeeming qualities.

     

    The zero reviews are there to offset those shill 10/10 paid reviews.

    Just ignore all 0/10 and 10/10 reviews.

     

    People should just clam it about paid reviews. If you have proof of that linked to anything specific link it otherwise stop with the generic nonsense.

    There Is Always Hope!

  • Loke666Loke666 MalmöPosts: 17,975Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by keithian
    Originally posted by DMKano

    The zero reviews are there to offset those shill 10/10 paid reviews.

    Just ignore all 0/10 and 10/10 reviews.

    People should just clam it about paid reviews. If you have proof of that linked to anything specific link it otherwise stop with the generic nonsense.

    There we agree. People tend to say that great scores are paid while abysmal scores are paid by other companies but so far have no-one I seen actually proved it for any game.

    I still usually ignore 10/10 and 0/10 reviews, since I never played the perfect MMO while anything that actually starts up deserve at least a 1/10 even if it sucks badly. Some reviews tend to ignore all good or bad stuff in the games the review.

    In ESOs case it is pretty clear that PvPers seems to rate the game higher than PvErs though, even though good reviewers should put equal focus on both.

  • PurutzilPurutzil East Stroudsburg, PAPosts: 2,924Member Uncommon

    Fun fact: Reviews that get paid off (mostly PR, good PR = more details = more money) to give high scores at times have quite morally uncertain writers that sneak in more subtle jabs to make up for having to review a game higher then it deserves. Fun link http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/former-ign-employee-admits-review-scores-are-skewed-due-to-public-relations#.U1xr0fldUgg or heck if you like to see tons of bias support of stuff/backlash against other stuff, turn on Fox News and tell me people are fair and balanced with stuff and not one sided (and laugh at them cause its quite hilarious how they portray it)

     

    Come on now, even an outside like me easily sees how flawed ESO is in its design and principles. Most TES fans I know pretty much are quick to dismiss it as a 'weak TES game" with the MMO aspect often as a handicap in attempt to give it more of a benefit of the doubt. When reviews are out there praising its graphics (which btw, aren't that great. Average compared to most recent mmos released in the last 2 years) and seem to ignore its blatent flaws, no one can really take them seriously.

     

    In a way, it really makes me wish I had the funding to do my own review of games from a realistic standpoint. If only I had magic powers to take away my own Bias for/against games to make me feel credible enough to give an accurate 'judgement' of a game, but then again I think that is impossible given human nature. XD

  • DMKanoDMKano Gamercentral, AKPosts: 8,537Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by keithian

    People should just clam it about paid reviews. If you have proof of that linked to anything specific link it otherwise stop with the generic nonsense.

    You my friend are living in a world where you don't know what's REALLY going on.

    I have one word for you.

    EEDAR

    Look at their client list, go research what they really do, crazy to see every major game company use them - and not a single company ever talks about them?

    Hmm...

    Wake up and smell the coffee.

    oh and don't bother with /tinfoilhat - you can save that for the conspiracy theorists.

     

     

     

  • keithiankeithian Los Angeles, CAPosts: 3,042Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by keithian

    People should just clam it about paid reviews. If you have proof of that linked to anything specific link it otherwise stop with the generic nonsense.

    You my friend are living in a world where you don't know what's REALLY going on.

    I have one word for you.

    EEDAR

    Look at their client list, go research what they really do, crazy to see every major game company use them - and not a single company ever talks about them?

    Hmm...

    Wake up and smell the coffee.

    oh and don't bother with /tinfoilhat - you can save that for the conspiracy theorists.

     

     

     

    actually, that's exactly why I wrote my response, because I think you are living in a fantasy world dreaming up stuff that may not exist. Again, you posted your unsupported claim, so unless you have proof to a site with a review that has anything to do with the OP you shouldn't post fantasy. I shouldn't have to do your research. How many times have people like you said this site is paid for their positive reviews. Every time the site denies it. Then when they give the score a 7, I'm sure you'll be like "what a great review, I agree". There will be no nonsense about payment then.

    There Is Always Hope!

  • keithiankeithian Los Angeles, CAPosts: 3,042Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Loke666
    Originally posted by keithian
    Originally posted by DMKano

    The zero reviews are there to offset those shill 10/10 paid reviews.

    Just ignore all 0/10 and 10/10 reviews.

    People should just clam it about paid reviews. If you have proof of that linked to anything specific link it otherwise stop with the generic nonsense.

    There we agree. People tend to say that great scores are paid while abysmal scores are paid by other companies but so far have no-one I seen actually proved it for any game.

    I still usually ignore 10/10 and 0/10 reviews, since I never played the perfect MMO while anything that actually starts up deserve at least a 1/10 even if it sucks badly. Some reviews tend to ignore all good or bad stuff in the games the review.

    In ESOs case it is pretty clear that PvPers seems to rate the game higher than PvErs though, even though good reviewers should put equal focus on both.

    Thanks, though what is odd is that I've seen threads where people claim the PVP is empty and everyone is in PVE, so I don't know what to believe anymore lol. I'm enjoying the PVE a lot, haven't tried the PVP at all, but I guess I'll give it a go at end level.

    There Is Always Hope!

  • ScotScot UKPosts: 5,762Member Uncommon
    Perhaps PvP is not full of players because not everyone is racing to top level? I have had a look at PvP, done the tutorial and a handful of quests, but that's all. When I was in DAOC I did not really start faction play until about level 30 to 35 and I only really got into it at 45+. Here with levelling being so fast (yes fast) I doubt I will look at PvP again until 40+.
  • ZinzanZinzan NorthPosts: 1,351Member
    Originally posted by Scot
     

    The following reviewers gave TESO between 8 and 9 out of ten:

    GamesBeat

    Cheat Code Central

    Hooked Gamers

    Meristation

    Impulsegamer

    XGN

    4Players.de

    Merlin'in Kazan? (Turkey)

    Strategy Informer

    Eurogamer Spain

    InsideGamer.nl

    The Escapist

    3DJuegos

    NowGamer

    Digital Spy

    games(TM)

    Hardcore Gamer Magazine

    Game Revolution

    Check Metacritic for links to full reviews.

    I don't pay that much attention to reviews if I am playing the game myself. But posters on this site want to keep telling us about 6/10 reviews, so I am pointing out that most reviewers think that is a ridiculous score for TESO. Reviews are mixed on TESO because it is trying to do something different, somewhat slower progression (nothing like as slow in the old days), no Auction House and other differences do not go down well with many players. Having been fed on a diet of easyMMO's and MOBA's thats hardly a surprise.

    I would put it at an 8+ not a 9 myself.

    Digital Spy is not a gaming review site, the rest i have never heard of.

     

    Expresso gave me a Hearthstone beta key.....I'm so happy :)

  • IvorySamoanIvorySamoan Te AwamutuPosts: 10Member
    Originally posted by BeansnBread
    Originally posted by baphamet

    so what about the negative reviews that were done before launch that the community here took as law? if its negative its a good review, positive and its because they got paid.

    that's how the mmo community here works.

    the problem with a lot of these reviewers is they compare it to single player games and not other mmo's

    IMO if this mmo is average then so is every single other current mmo.

    There are no negative reviews on Metacritic that were on or before April 4th.

    Actually there are no 'negative' reviews full stop.

     

    Just sayin....

  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread PshPosts: 5,501Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by IvorySamoan
    Originally posted by BeansnBread
    Originally posted by baphamet

    so what about the negative reviews that were done before launch that the community here took as law? if its negative its a good review, positive and its because they got paid.

    that's how the mmo community here works.

    the problem with a lot of these reviewers is they compare it to single player games and not other mmo's

    IMO if this mmo is average then so is every single other current mmo.

    There are no negative reviews on Metacritic that were on or before April 4th.

    Actually there are no 'negative' reviews full stop.

     

    Just sayin....

    Yeah, you're technically right. I guess I tend to consider 5 and 6 negative. His point was ridiculous either way.

  • ScotScot UKPosts: 5,762Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Zinzan
    Originally posted by Scot
     

    The following reviewers gave TESO between 8 and 9 out of ten:

    GamesBeat

    Cheat Code Central

    Hooked Gamers

    Meristation

    Impulsegamer

    XGN

    4Players.de

    Merlin'in Kazan? (Turkey)

    Strategy Informer

    Eurogamer Spain

    InsideGamer.nl

    The Escapist

    3DJuegos

    NowGamer

    Digital Spy

    games(TM)

    Hardcore Gamer Magazine

    Game Revolution

    Check Metacritic for links to full reviews.

    I don't pay that much attention to reviews if I am playing the game myself. But posters on this site want to keep telling us about 6/10 reviews, so I am pointing out that most reviewers think that is a ridiculous score for TESO. Reviews are mixed on TESO because it is trying to do something different, somewhat slower progression (nothing like as slow in the old days), no Auction House and other differences do not go down well with many players. Having been fed on a diet of easyMMO's and MOBA's thats hardly a surprise.

    I would put it at an 8+ not a 9 myself.

    Digital Spy is not a gaming review site, the rest i have never heard of.

     

    That's why Digital Spy are not reviewing everything from Mario Golf to 2014 FIFA World Cup on this page along with TESO.:

     http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/review/#~oCDJRRQBaksdEV

    So seems if you have not heard of them you can just ignore the review, if you have heard of them you can pretend they don't do reviews. As I don't have my head in the sand I am afraid I can't agree with you here. The 6/10 reviews exist too, I can understand posters pointing them out to me, but when I have you guys telling me some of my sources don't do reviews that takes the Daggerfall biscuit. :)

  • superconductingsuperconducting Rochester, NYPosts: 843Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DEAD.line
    Originally posted by Bigdaddyx

    People only post reviews of well known critics and review sites. Its the same for every other MMO released before ESO. Its not some conspiracy against ESO trust me.

    Majority of the websites you linked..i am sure many do not even know about. Even for me these sites are unknown.

    I have always paid attention to PC gamer, IGN and Gamespot for all my reviewing needs.

    True, i only posted IGN's review because to me, along with GS, they're the 2 most well known game reviwing sites. I also posted Zero Punctuation because it's funny.

    If anybody wants to read all the scores, they can go to metacritic:

    http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/the-elder-scrolls-online

    20 positive reviews: From 90 to 75, most being 80

    16 average reviews: from 75 to 50, with most being 70 and 60

    0 negative reviews: And that's another thing to consider. Nobody as given it below 60, with only PC gamer going to 50 at the lowest.

    But the average beign 74 is not looking that good. The average user is also at 63.

    In my view Metacritic is ALWAYS the best. It doesn't get any better than an aggregation of all the reviews into one score.

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  • MMOExposedMMOExposed lalal land, DCPosts: 6,255Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by keithian

    People should just clam it about paid reviews. If you have proof of that linked to anything specific link it otherwise stop with the generic nonsense.

    You my friend are living in a world where you don't know what's REALLY going on.

    I have one word for you.

    EEDAR

    Look at their client list, go research what they really do, crazy to see every major game company use them - and not a single company ever talks about them?

    Hmm...

    Wake up and smell the coffee.

    oh and don't bother with /tinfoilhat - you can save that for the conspiracy theorists.

     

     

     

    but this does make you a conspiracy theorist...

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  • ohioastroohioastro Columbus, OHPosts: 439Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by BeansnBread
    Originally posted by IvorySamoan
    Originally posted by BeansnBread
    Originally posted by baphamet

    so what about the negative reviews that were done before launch that the community here took as law? if its negative its a good review, positive and its because they got paid.

    that's how the mmo community here works.

    the problem with a lot of these reviewers is they compare it to single player games and not other mmo's

    IMO if this mmo is average then so is every single other current mmo.

    There are no negative reviews on Metacritic that were on or before April 4th.

    Actually there are no 'negative' reviews full stop.

     

    Just sayin....

    Yeah, you're technically right. I guess I tend to consider 5 and 6 negative. His point was ridiculous either way.

    No, it's not.  PC Gamer and Angry Joe both put out hostile previews before launch, and their subsequent  hostile reviews were hardly a surprise.  There is a direct mapping between preview and review scores overall.  There were good post-launch reviews too (IGN, Strategy Informer).  If you're looking to confirm your prejudices you can discount the reviews that disagree with you and promote the ones that agree.  If you don't, the claimed pattern that all good reviews are early and all poor ones are late doesn't hold up. 

    I think that the overall problem with game reviews is twofold: they tend to be superficial, and many reviewers aren't actually reviewing the games on their own terms.  Instead, they shape an agenda (e.g. I want this game to be like X) and praise or ding it according to how far it is.  An actual review would note what a game was trying to do and evaluate its success.  A bad review might begin (as many previews did) by talking about how much they dislike Elder Scrolls games, or MMOs, etc.

  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread PshPosts: 5,501Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by ohioastro
    Originally posted by BeansnBread
    Originally posted by IvorySamoan
    Originally posted by BeansnBread
    Originally posted by baphamet

    so what about the negative reviews that were done before launch that the community here took as law? if its negative its a good review, positive and its because they got paid.

    that's how the mmo community here works.

    the problem with a lot of these reviewers is they compare it to single player games and not other mmo's

    IMO if this mmo is average then so is every single other current mmo.

    There are no negative reviews on Metacritic that were on or before April 4th.

    Actually there are no 'negative' reviews full stop.

     

    Just sayin....

    Yeah, you're technically right. I guess I tend to consider 5 and 6 negative. His point was ridiculous either way.

    No, it's not.  PC Gamer and Angry Joe both put out hostile previews before launch, and their subsequent  hostile reviews were hardly a surprise.  There is a direct mapping between preview and review scores overall.  There were good post-launch reviews too (IGN, Strategy Informer).  If you're looking to confirm your prejudices you can discount the reviews that disagree with you and promote the ones that agree.  If you don't, the claimed pattern that all good reviews are early and all poor ones are late doesn't hold up. 

    I think that the overall problem with game reviews is twofold: they tend to be superficial, and many reviewers aren't actually reviewing the games on their own terms.  Instead, they shape an agenda (e.g. I want this game to be like X) and praise or ding it according to how far it is.  An actual review would note what a game was trying to do and evaluate its success.  A bad review might begin (as many previews did) by talking about how much they dislike Elder Scrolls games, or MMOs, etc.

    You're correct that Angry Joe gave a less than stellar preview before the game came out for the PvE portion. And his later review reflected that. If you'll notice, that had nothing to do with his point.

     

    Either way, I mostly agree with many of the more negative reviews because they largely reflect my own personal experiences in game. You seem to largely disagree with many of the more negative reviews because they don't mesh well with your own in game experiences. People perceive things differently and, believe it or not, this is ok.

     

    And that's what is so terrible about the other guys point. He's saying that the entire community here only accept negative reviews as good reviews and calls all positive reviews paid off. There is no other way for some people (like yourself and the other poster that was originally quoted) to be able to accept the amount of negativity this title is receiving. You need to invent reasons why it is so poorly received instead of accepting that perhaps, in this case, you are interested in something that a large portion of people may not be.

  • ButeoRegalisButeoRegalis Tijeras, NMPosts: 505Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by superconducting

    In my view Metacritic is ALWAYS the best. It doesn't get any better than an aggregation of all the reviews into one score.

    At least the "critics" score on Metacritic. The user score is IMO always suspect for popular/hyped/hated games.

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