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  • handlewithcarehandlewithcare hartenbosPosts: 322Member
    its not a bad game but its AA not AAA I will not pay money for this game and I played it.
  • CreatorzimCreatorzim Perris, CAPosts: 273Member
    Originally posted by Nanfoodle
    Originally posted by DEAD.line

    I still don't see the issue. From what i know, everything is available to players in the release version, which will be F2P. So, it's not a paywall. If i'm missing something, then sorry about that.

    Also, while i do agree it could be cheaper, it's just for alpha and beta. My problem isn't even the price, it's companies being more interested in treating their alphas and betas as demos instead of doing the proper thing and, you know, TEST the game to make sure the release is good. Whether it's free beta keys, payed alphas, whatever, it's just companies not paying attention ot the real problem.

     

     

    What you are missing is 150-200 bucks is what companies charge for life time packages, where you never pay a sub again. Often comes with goodies as well. 50 bucks for the low end option is what new games ready to release charge for a fully functioning game. AA has been out for years and has been fully tested. What are we testing here? To make sure the english parts of the game work. So this will be a shorter process then say SoE/Landmarks testing. That at least has a 19.99 option. This is nothing but a money grab that gives very little to the gamer. 

    ESO charged $60 so its not the price of a fully functional game anymore...

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  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Posts: 5,447Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Creatorzim
    Originally posted by Nanfoodle
    Originally posted by DEAD.line

    I still don't see the issue. From what i know, everything is available to players in the release version, which will be F2P. So, it's not a paywall. If i'm missing something, then sorry about that.

    Also, while i do agree it could be cheaper, it's just for alpha and beta. My problem isn't even the price, it's companies being more interested in treating their alphas and betas as demos instead of doing the proper thing and, you know, TEST the game to make sure the release is good. Whether it's free beta keys, payed alphas, whatever, it's just companies not paying attention ot the real problem.

     

     

    What you are missing is 150-200 bucks is what companies charge for life time packages, where you never pay a sub again. Often comes with goodies as well. 50 bucks for the low end option is what new games ready to release charge for a fully functioning game. AA has been out for years and has been fully tested. What are we testing here? To make sure the english parts of the game work. So this will be a shorter process then say SoE/Landmarks testing. That at least has a 19.99 option. This is nothing but a money grab that gives very little to the gamer. 

    ESO charged $60 so its not the price of a fully functional game anymore...

     

    LOL, ESO making a broken game has nothing to do with my point. ESO needs to pull a FF14 and get reworked lol.


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  • DEAD.lineDEAD.line LisbonPosts: 424Member
    Originally posted by Nanfoodle
    Originally posted by DEAD.line

    I still don't see the issue. From what i know, everything is available to players in the release version, which will be F2P. So, it's not a paywall. If i'm missing something, then sorry about that.

    Also, while i do agree it could be cheaper, it's just for alpha and beta. My problem isn't even the price, it's companies being more interested in treating their alphas and betas as demos instead of doing the proper thing and, you know, TEST the game to make sure the release is good. Whether it's free beta keys, payed alphas, whatever, it's just companies not paying attention ot the real problem.

     

     

    What you are missing is 150-200 bucks is what companies charge for life time packages, where you never pay a sub again. Often comes with goodies as well. 50 bucks for the low end option is what new games ready to release charge for a fully functioning game. AA has been out for years and has been fully tested. What are we testing here? To make sure the english parts of the game work. So this will be a shorter process then say SoE/Landmarks testing. That at least has a 19.99 option. This is nothing but a money grab that gives very little to the gamer. 

    I still don't see the issue. Lifetime subs are just to get a huge price cut, but, they are indeed sub based games.

    AA is F2P, so you don't pay a box or a sub to enjoy the game. Some things might be cut off like housing, but that's understandable. Again, from what i can tell, there's no P2W or massive advantage here, do what's the issue?

    The only real reason i can see anyone buying this is to get into alpha or beta. But, you don't need to get into alpha or beta. And more importantly, you shouldn't. Like i said, that should be used for testing, and, like you said, AA as already been released, so, hopefully, aslong as the game is functional and not broken, nobody needs to get into alpha and "demo" the game, since the release version is free.

    We're not being paywalled, no box, no sub, only a few small boots to paying players and there's also a discount in in-game money, so it's less than 100$ for all versions apparently. 

    Also, i'm european too, and we never get proper convertion rates in video games.

     

  • OzmodanOzmodan Hilliard, OHPosts: 7,181Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DEAD.line
    Originally posted by Nanfoodle
    Originally posted by DEAD.line

    I still don't see the issue. From what i know, everything is available to players in the release version, which will be F2P. So, it's not a paywall. If i'm missing something, then sorry about that.

    Also, while i do agree it could be cheaper, it's just for alpha and beta. My problem isn't even the price, it's companies being more interested in treating their alphas and betas as demos instead of doing the proper thing and, you know, TEST the game to make sure the release is good. Whether it's free beta keys, payed alphas, whatever, it's just companies not paying attention ot the real problem.

     

     

    What you are missing is 150-200 bucks is what companies charge for life time packages, where you never pay a sub again. Often comes with goodies as well. 50 bucks for the low end option is what new games ready to release charge for a fully functioning game. AA has been out for years and has been fully tested. What are we testing here? To make sure the english parts of the game work. So this will be a shorter process then say SoE/Landmarks testing. That at least has a 19.99 option. This is nothing but a money grab that gives very little to the gamer. 

    I still don't see the issue. Lifetime subs are just to get a huge price cut, but, they are indeed sub based games.

    AA is F2P, so you don't pay a box or a sub to enjoy the game. Some things might be cut off like housing, but that's understandable. Again, from what i can tell, there's no P2W or massive advantage here, do what's the issue?

    The only real reason i can see anyone buying this is to get into alpha or beta. But, you don't need to get into alpha or beta. And more importantly, you shouldn't. Like i said, that should be used for testing, and, like you said, AA as already been released, so, hopefully, aslong as the game is functional and not broken, nobody needs to get into alpha and "demo" the game, since the release version is free.

    We're not being paywalled, no box, no sub, only a few small boots to paying players and there's also a discount in in-game money, so it's less than 100$ for all versions apparently. 

    Also, i'm european too, and we never get proper convertion rates in video games.

     

    Excuse me, there is no such thing as free to play.  Every time I see a naïve person use the word free, I wince.  If you want to play a game like this, expect you will be paying out money.  Most of the Korean and Chinese games it means a lot of money.

    That is why I steer away from anything with the f2p moniker.   At least with a sub game I know what I am spending my money on,   f2p is just a fad, people will tire of getting bilked for far more money than a subscription costs. 

    I hope Trion is prepared for all the very negative publicity they will derive from this game for the prices they are charging.  If you were waiting for this game, I feel sorry for you. 

  • MardukkMardukk Posts: 1,556Member Uncommon
    People that pay for this are either very rich or very dumb.  I still plan on playing the game and subing when it releases.  I wouldn't touch any of these founders packs with a ten foot pole.  How long can the game possibly be in "alpha" or "beta"...it's already done.
  • Jonas_SGJonas_SG LiverpoolPosts: 326Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DEAD.line

     

    I still don't see the issue. Lifetime subs are just to get a huge price cut, but, they are indeed sub based games.

    AA is F2P, so you don't pay a box or a sub to enjoy the game. Some things might be cut off like housing, but that's understandable. Again, from what i can tell, there's no P2W or massive advantage here, do what's the issue?

    The only real reason i can see anyone buying this is to get into alpha or beta. But, you don't need to get into alpha or beta. And more importantly, you shouldn't. Like i said, that should be used for testing, and, like you said, AA as already been released, so, hopefully, aslong as the game is functional and not broken, nobody needs to get into alpha and "demo" the game, since the release version is free.

    We're not being paywalled, no box, no sub, only a few small boots to paying players and there's also a discount in in-game money, so it's less than 100$ for all versions apparently. 

    Also, i'm european too, and we never get proper convertion rates in video games.

     

     

    It's not " Some things that you get cut off from " - it's every important thing in the game.

    Sub is the only viable way to generate LP - which is the only way to craft - trade in this game.

    And crafting will provide you not only with lots of fluff stuff for your House and farm, but also only way to get the best armor in the game.

    This is a Open World PvP game - best Armor = win.

    So if you want to win =  go Sub.  Want to be someone's target practise = go F2P.

  • BadOrbBadOrb ManchesterPosts: 791Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Mardukk
    People that pay for this are either very rich or very dumb.  I still plan on playing the game and subing when it releases.  I wouldn't touch any of these founders packs with a ten foot pole.  How long can the game possibly be in "alpha" or "beta"...it's already done.

    Or both. Well this is the state of PC MMO's now. Really sickens me. I see a few posters actually have paid into this garbage and no not the game the actual packs. All this for a F2P game ? Well bring back subb and box price for all MMO's everything has gone to pot! How do you, the people who have bought into alpha or beta justify paying to test a game ? I guess you are all young people who are clueless to what you are spending your money on ?

    People said SWTOR was/is a cash grab , well just look at recent MMO's , Neverwinter , EQ:NL & now this game , ha ha , is this the future ? I bloody hope not , WAKE the hell up gamers!

    Cheers,

    BadOrb.

     

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  • IceAgeIceAge SomeWhere In ..Posts: 1,013Member Common

    Wow! Just .. wow! 

    First, was the "road" AA has taken since release ( in Korea - Cars, modern cloths, disco's , possibility to add real pictures , Guns, Airplanes , SF Spacecrafts , etc ). 

    Then it was the wait ( thanks to Trion ) .

    Now they want to show some love to customers , thanks to Trion and thanks to the kids with big pockets ...I mean thanks to kid's parents with big pockets and also thanks to the naive players which they think they are "pro & cool" by buying such ... awesome, super nice (scam) pack's.  Because of them .. we have this .. very .. impressive and awesome mmo market.

    Thanks again everyone, who support such ... company's.

    Now, from my point of view, let me see what Wildstar has to offer for 135E .

    50E Digital Delux Edition

    Euro left in pocket = 85E

    12 E per month ( discount price ) x 7 months = 84E

    1 E in my pocket. 

    So, I get the Delux Edition + 30 days + 7 months of game time + some goodies.. with 135E + full access to every content out there, with no limits. 

    Now, with AA , for 135E , you have some goodies + 3 months with full access to the content. Then I believe you need to pay monthly for that .. veteran status, or whatever the name is. Plus, don't forget, is a F2P game with a impressive cash shop, where if you are paying for any of the game pack's , you will end up paying a lot more on the cash shop too. 

    Yes, well .. where are the positive guys who were cheering up , when Trion has taken over, to release AA in the West? And no, you do not count ( the ones who says "but I see no problems with those packs" ).

    PS: I love how they .."hang" on those statuses to "attract" players: "ALPHA BETA, CLOSED BETA, WEEKEND BETA, AA SUPREME BETA, OUTSTANDING BETA, FINAL COUNTDOWN BETA" ........

     

     

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  • LeGrosGamerLeGrosGamer Canada, QCPosts: 210Member
    Originally posted by Prhyme

    $150 B2P now.

    $99 or $50 B2P in June.

    F2P at release. 

    Please, someone help me understand: why on earth would anybody buy a $99 or $50 pack now? Why not wait until the initial Alpha Hype dies and get honest opinions on the state of the game first?

    Why wait? I can tell you right now WildStar will be the better game.  ArcheAge WAS  a GREAT concept back 3-4 years ago, but they simplified, "dumbed down', way too many of the great concepts to make it worth anyone's time. That's what happens when you announce a new title 4-5-6 years in advance.  Even though the titles I'm waiting for aren't releasing this year, more like late 2015 / mid 2016, I will pick, and most likely give WildStar a shot.

  • Clypto75Clypto75 Nevada, MOPosts: 68Member
    Originally posted by BadOrb
    Originally posted by Mardukk
    People that pay for this are either very rich or very dumb.  I still plan on playing the game and subing when it releases.  I wouldn't touch any of these founders packs with a ten foot pole.  How long can the game possibly be in "alpha" or "beta"...it's already done.

    Or both. Well this is the state of PC MMO's now. Really sickens me. I see a few posters actually have paid into this garbage and no not the game the actual packs. All this for a F2P game ? Well bring back subb and box price for all MMO's everything has gone to pot! How do you, the people who have bought into alpha or beta justify paying to test a game ? I guess you are all young people who are clueless to what you are spending your money on ?

    People said SWTOR was/is a cash grab , well just look at recent MMO's , Neverwinter , EQ:NL & now this game , ha ha , is this the future ? I bloody hope not , WAKE the hell up gamers!

    Cheers,

    BadOrb.

     

    This garbage the MMO guys are pushing out is being ate up by many for some unknown damn reason. And these betas/founder packs are laughable, why oh why are people buying these? What a joke.

  • Effin_RabbitEffin_Rabbit Pittsburgh, PAPosts: 772Member Uncommon
    Tonight on Nightline, When F2P is more expensive than P2P...
  • syriinxsyriinx New York, NYPosts: 1,059Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by BadOrb
     well just look at recent MMO's , Neverwinter , EQ:NL & now this game , ha ha , is this the future ? I bloody hope not , WAKE the hell up gamers!

    Cheers,

    BadOrb.

     

    There is a rather huge difference between ArcheAge and Neverwinter and EQN

     

    Both Neverwinter and EQN were games in development that are f2p titles at launch.  This is a sort of crowdfunding, getting additional development money.

     

    ArcheAge is a fully launched game with revenue streams of its own.   It should not be resorting to this tactic

  • Ramonski7Ramonski7 Aurora, ILPosts: 2,656Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by syriinx
    Originally posted by BadOrb
     well just look at recent MMO's , Neverwinter , EQ:NL & now this game , ha ha , is this the future ? I bloody hope not , WAKE the hell up gamers!

    Cheers,

    BadOrb.

     

    There is a rather huge difference between ArcheAge and Neverwinter and EQN

     

    Both Neverwinter and EQN were games in development that are f2p titles at launch.  This is a sort of crowdfunding, getting additional development money.

     

    ArcheAge is a fully launched game with revenue streams of its own.   It should not be resorting to this tactic

    And to really blow your mind chew on this:

     

    TW purchased a license to run AA here. So what they are doing is recouping some of the cost of obtaining that license, padding their pockets for future content and gauging the price/item tolerance of cash shoppers. These are the tactics of a publisher, not a developer. They will not be developing content for AA. They will simply be cherry picking content that adds to their bottom dollar. Whether a majority of that is through the sub they offer or through the cash shop remains to be seen.

    But if these packages were any indication of their mindset ask yourself this: why would I need $75 worth of in-game cash if I have a 3 month sub? Unless of course you're banking on me spending on average $25 a month on top of a sub price in your cash shop or offering things in your cash shop that are highly priced.

     

    I'll need more info about their plans to deliver content. Will they piss off F2Players or Subbers?

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  • cylon8cylon8 lodi, NJPosts: 333Member Uncommon

    played the ru beta and loved the game too much to pass on the 150$ pack. I plan to sub anyway so the three months included sub is well worth it, the rare glider to boot.  This will be my home game as I don't think landmark will be fleshed out enough in time to hold my interest and the monetization is wonky too.

    so say we all

  • Nightbringe1Nightbringe1 Bluefield, WVPosts: 1,093Member Common
    Originally posted by cnutemp
    wont this be free eventually?  Just wait until the game comes out.

    Some people have no concept of patience

     

    Others will pay any price to get a head start mapping character progression out before the game launches.

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  • DarkcrystalDarkcrystal st clair shores, MIPosts: 809Member Uncommon

    Here we go again, all the complaining how 60 bucks  is to much money, no one is making you pay it, , people just want in an alpha for free, well if you spend 150 bucks, you may actual test and care about the game that is the point  of it... Man, I wish people would understand this...

     

    If you free there is a million of games already free, I really, really wish gamers would work for free.....Every game you guys complain, when MMO's die off, I will laugh so hard....

  • IceAgeIceAge SomeWhere In ..Posts: 1,013Member Common
    Originally posted by Darkcrystal

    Here we go again, all the complaining how 60 bucks  is to much money, no one is making you pay it, , people just want in an alpha for free, well if you spend 150 bucks, you may actual test and care about the game that is the point  of it... Man, I wish people would understand this...

     

    If you free there is a million of games already free, I really, really wish gamers would work for free.....Every game you guys complain, when MMO's die off, I will laugh so hard....

    That is the point of ... what? To pay and test the game? I really hope you are kidding .. 

    I , don't know others .. I am not complaining about the 60-150$ .. bucks. I am complaining because Trion is heading to that "container" with other companies who care's about cash cash and cash and P2W games. Sure, is nothing wrong to care about cash , but before cash , there is this .. "common sense" , of building a community and respecting the players who are interested in your game. Making ME to PAY to "TEST" their game is ............ pathetic. 

    I really really really don't understand how someone is feeling "awesome" to pay between 60-150$ to  .. test the game. 

    But .. in the end .. naive people will still be naive, no mater what. 

    Those kind of people are people who fall for ads like "make 99999.99$ in just 3 months, order the pack now at a reduced price of just 999.99$"

    Because of those, we have this .. pathetic market full of F2P/P2W games which are keep coming with those "awesome packs" every time they release ( and beyond ) .

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  • EbanyEbany ParapPosts: 41Member
    Trion are possibly the worst filth the gaming industry has ever seen.  I would castrate myself with a blunt toothpick b4 I touch one of their games again.
  • maybebakedmaybebaked brantford, ONPosts: 249Member Uncommon

    I bought it.  See you in Alpha!

    And yes I do think it's a lot of money.  But I work hard for my money and I think it's worth it.  All of people on this site seem unwilling to pay for games.  

    I've seen indie alphas with $20k founders packs.

    Wait for the release and then whine.

  • Manic.MinerManic.Miner WroclawPosts: 44Member
    Originally posted by maybebaked

    I've seen indie alphas with $20k founders packs.

     

    Difference is that indie devs needs money for development and Trion needs money for new cars, houses etc. as AA is complete game.

  • gw2foolgw2fool hadesPosts: 144Member Uncommon
    PASS!!!
  • SamuraiXIVSamuraiXIV Philadelphia, PAPosts: 354Member
    Originally posted by SBFord

    Trion Worlds has gotten busy and put up the order site for ArcheAge Founder's Packs. All packs are available now. Check the information below to find just the right pack to suit your needs.

    Details on the Founders Packs:

    ARCHEUM - $149.99 - BUY NOW<Link>
    •  Alpha & Beta Access
    • 11,250 Credits ($100 Value)
    • 4-Day Patron Head Start
    • Title: "Trailblazer"
    • 90-Day Patron Status
    • Daru Troves
    • 10 Evenstones
    • 10 Hereafter Stones
    • Glass Phoenix Glider
    • Desert Assassin Platemail
    • Reagents to put your own crest in-game
    • 10 Pet Healing Potions
    • Founder's Cloak

    GOLD - $99.99 - BUY NOW<Link>

    • Beta Access
    • 7,500 Credits ($50 Value)
    • 4-Day Patron Head Start
    • Title: "Traveler"
    • 60-Day Patron Status
    • 10 Evenstones
    • 10 Hereafter Stones
    • Glass Phoenix Glider
    • Desert Assassin Platemail

    SILVER - $49.99 - BUY NOW<Link>

    • Beta Access
    • 2,500 Credits ($17 Value)
    • 4-Day Patron Head Start
    • Title: "Founder"
    • 30-Day Patron Status
    • Experimental Glider
     

    I'm not a math pro but:

    • 11,250 Credits ($100 Value) and 
    • 7,500 Credits ($50 Value) makes no sense. 7,500 ($50) then ($100) should be 15,000 or actually more since you're paying more and you should get a bonus like most everyone does not less 11,250.

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  • maybebakedmaybebaked brantford, ONPosts: 249Member Uncommon
    The website actually says $75 value, not $100.
  • angerbeaverangerbeaver Dorval, QCPosts: 869Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by Tygranir
    They are charging players the price of a full, complete game; just for a chance to test it for them? Plus, isn't this game already out in other countries? I may need to leave MMOs....

    When launched it will be F2P. 

     $45 worth of subs (3 months)

    Contradiction?

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