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Originally posted by Rattenmann The grafics are childish, EVEN for a cartoon game. Compare to Landmark, hell even to WOW, and you will see a difference. Wildstar wins the childish grafics award. The humor ingame and in their trailers is childish. The facial expressions resemble TV shows for 3 year olds The combat effects are so overdone like in a Dragon Ball X movie The questing is so mind numbing, no adult could do that anymore. Those are my Nr 5 reasons why i see Wildstar as a childish game
Exact same reasons for me, I assume WS is a great game since it seems to be popular but I have no desire at all to even try it because of how they are presenting it.
Originally posted by Saio3 “Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence....." C.S Lewis.
"As you read these words, a release is seven days or less away or has just happened within the last seven days those are now the only two states youll find the world of Tyria."...Guild Wars 2
Originally posted by Rusque Some people are just insecure and worried what someone might think (even if no one is going to see them). The real question is, how many people who like WS have called someone a WoW kiddie?
This is true in some cases, if you have a group of friends playing MMO's you will feel embarrassed to admit you like a game that the others don't like but in most cases I think people that see this game as childish look at it like watching children cartoons, its ok for about 5 minutes but there is no long term entertainment value for an adult there.
I would say WS is childish because its on par with Saturday morning cartoons, in all the videos I have seen it really does seem like they built it for teens and playing it would feel like its insulting my intelligence. The humor, the animations, the architecture all seem designed for a younger audience.
I need "adult" targeted entertainment.
There is nothing wrong with designing a game this way, I am not bashing it at all, I bet WS will be a big money maker but to me it seems obvious that they designed it for teens. Which is actually a good idea if you think about it teens sitting in their basement playing all day because they don't have jobs and their parents willingly paying for the subscription to keep them out of trouble.
I m 39, i like the game and i will play it. If anyone feels the game is not his cup of tea can stay away. That simple.
Btw at least Carbine is not afraid of giving 7 day trial on launch. You can play it and decide if you like it or not. They will not grab your money (as others do) with a half finished game.
Eh... honestly my first impression of the game was that it felt like I was playing a potty-mouthed Pixar movie. Ive never been one to say "omg its too cartoony" but I dont really want to play Pixar game either. WoW does have a ...brighter color palette but at least its animations and characters dont really act like theyre straight out of a Disney flick. Sound didnt help either, I just turned it off after a while and literally felt relieved (most BG music is fine though). Not to mention the really bad overall design they made with the tutorial levels which were kinda boring at times.
Luckily I gave it more of a chance and now love the game but it took 8-10 levels at least. The first impressions of the game arent really going to help sell it IMO.
I'll play it, but I was used to WOW's derpy graphics, so it's not a big change one way or another.
If I hadn't been accustomed to the style via WoW? No I'd never even looked at this past the second screenshot.
"If I offended you, you needed it" -Corey Taylor
Obviously we are all entitled to our tastes and opinions, but I would say that anyone who dismisses something out of hand as "childish" based on how it is stylised is broadly quite ignorant, narrow minded, probably suffers from a low IQ, and almost certainly has limited prospects on their chosen career path. They'll probably die early, 40 - 50 ish, because they were doing one of the many bad "adult" things this world has to offer (probably from some form of VD).
Cartoons are not just for kids, however when you got graphics looking like this, you're clearly looking for a certain majority of the bunch that love this type of graphic choice in their mmo.
I love the graphics and I am in my 40's, covered in tats, ride a Harley that is almost as old as me, play and listen almost exclusively to deathmetal/grindcore, a devout Christian, and I am geek! I still love Nintendo games and I watch cartoons with my kids.....so what, it's fun. Cartoony graphics are an awesome break from the real world.
Don't get me wrong - I love gritty, dark, realistic games as well...I love it all.
You can't put people in box, and you shouldn't put games in a box.
My only complaint about Wildstar is that while the overall world seems busy and noisy, the individual NPCs are very static like they are in SWTOR. That's one of the reasons I love ESO and even WoW, the NPC/player interaction.
Originally posted by Phertias When people are asked if they want to play Wildstar or not, the no-sayers always reply with "its a childish game etc. etc." Why is that exactly?
Excellent post Phertias,
Being a veteran MMO player, I cant wait for WS. I have played through beta and i am perfectly fine with the game in this state. 30-60 FPS constantly with everything maxed out ( except for shadows which is on medium) and BETA so far has been really polished.
As for ESO, i played in the beta. IMO, its boring, dull and full of bugs. Its an EPIC FAIL by all means.
Originally posted by Robokapp Originally posted by Phertias It would make a great childish game if you base it on the surface of the game that is the art style etc. But agian, that is all based on graphics. The humor, which is also a part of the surface, that is presented in the game reminds mostly of TSW and that is not considered a childish game. Yet the humor is not based on the graphics. Again, it comes down to the graphics reminding us that it COULD be a great childish game. But it is not a great childish game. Children would only get to the easy-part of the end game and then quit. Why does it bother me? Because people who have only tried WS for 10 minutes are accusing it for being childish in a negative manner even though it isnt. When I first tried WS I was impressed with everything (and as a tough MMORPG critic who have pratically tried every game, it was close to a first time), but when I looked at reviews on various websites, it was the ONLY reason that people didnt want to play it. It was the only major reason I could find. Now when you look at other games, it is mostly something valid that is being the major flaud: TSW = Poor combat animations, Rift = Soulless combat and character, Guild Wars 2 = Poor PvE system, Vanguard = Poor game support and I could name many more with reasons that make sense. But a game being childish as its major flaud?
People accuse WoW of having cartoony graphics.
People accuse EvE of being a spreadsheet game.
such accusations seem to follow the strongest MMOs too. I wouldn't pay much attention to them, young one.
But Eve is a spreadsheet game.
The most profitable aspects of Eve involve spreadsheets. The reason why alliances go to war is to improve their profits when they use their spreadsheets.
I like how calling it childish makes you "insecure". I don't remember who posted that in here, but ... wow. This whole THREAD... wow.
Anyway, the game is not designed specifically FOR adults and frankly a lot of it reminds me of cartoons from the 80's I grew up on. So if I was going to pick a side, I'd say much, much more childish than mature. Does it really matter?
However, I would say the most mature thing about it is the ancient quest system. That feature's growing fur at this point.
Wildstar is childish due to the graphics and humor it tries to enforce. That should be pretty clear to everyone.
Is childish a bad thing? Not if that is what you are going for. For me, it just doesn't look good enough for me to play.
I don't think i ever said it was childish but being silly can go too far if done too often.What i said was the game is just really cheap and those cartoony graphics are done really cheap.This game is no better than a VERY small indie developer's effort with a very small budget.
There was an occasion i said to myself,wow this sort of reminds me of RFO a very old free to play game.WS has that FREE look to it,all of it's assets are really low poly.There is a way to do a low budget game with or without making cheap models/assets look at FFXI as an example.
If you have ever followed Blizzard and i know MANY have,they are famous for doing things cheap but somehow have a knack or a following to keep gamer's supporting them.Well this team is former Blizzard and it shows as real obvious.They have tried to use humor and solid marketing to bring in that support and imo it worked.I am too old school and been around too long to have marketing or silly ideas hook me in,i want a SOLID game that looks like it has EFFORT written into it.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Originally posted by Superchieftian Wildstar is childish due to the graphics and humor it tries to enforce. That should be pretty clear to everyone. Is childish a bad thing? Not if that is what you are going for. For me, it just doesn't look good enough for me to play.
Exactly. Not everyone who calls the game childish is using it as an insult. Should I call the game "mature"? I don't know what disgruntled fans want from everyone else. The game has a childish or maybe adolescent (if that makes you feel better) slant to its humor and gameplay, I swear I could watch something similar on Cartoon Network. Even for a "cartoony" game it's hardly Adult Swim in there.
As for not being good enough, to me it has nothing to do with the aesthetics, it has more to do with the fact that the game doesn't even try to do anything new, and some people find that simply unforgivable. It's good enough for me to play, but not to pay. If it pops up in my email a year from now for 20 bucks or goes B2P, I'll think about it.
Gonna go watch some Spongebob....
Oh and FYI, it is NOT clear to everyone.
Originally posted by Dewulf Still I've seen most of kids play runescape or wow. Kids favour cartoonish games. And still graphics are one of the most important thing in video games.
But they are not the most important part of a game. A video game can have the best graphics in the world but if it lacks in storyline or ease of play then players will ignore the game. The video game's Need for Speed Hot Pursuit 2010 & Need for Speed Most Wanted 2012 are proof of this. The games have stunning graphics but the storyline for single player is extremely dull. Also for PC game play forboth of the controls are possibly the worst when it comes to racing games.
"Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"
Originally posted by dotdotdash Obviously we are all entitled to our tastes and opinions, but I would say that anyone who dismisses something out of hand as "childish" based on how it is stylised is broadly quite ignorant, narrow minded, probably suffers from a low IQ, and almost certainly has limited prospects on their chosen career path. They'll probably die early, 40 - 50 ish, because they were doing one of the many bad "adult" things this world has to offer (probably from some form of VD).
Wow that is an amazing condemnation and bundle of assumptions. I will join your group of the Damned: I won't so much as download that game ever due to the style they chose. It's not the end of the world, and no one will suffer because I won't play it. Now I guess I will go back to my low IQ, bad career choice and sexually transmitted diseases. lmao
I enjoyed the OPs outrage over people refusing to play the game because it looks like a cartoon. Especially good is the part where he declares my objections to playing not "relevant." I'm just glad that there are enough people not playing for the OP to post a rage about it. I personally hope this trend of cartoon or "stylized' graphics is over soon. If you would have told me ten years ago that all future MMOs would look like something Fisher Price or Duplo would by advertising space in, I would have thought you a kook. Maybe someday technology will catch up with my perception, oh wait it did
It's like stepping into a comic strip. You can have fun with it but I don't see the staying power. Visuals mean a hell of a lot to people, we are visual beings and there is nothing wrong with that.
its not because it looks like something off nickjr.. its not because wizard101 has more violence .. its def not because one of the chars is off lilo and stitch..
its because there is no badass in this game.