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Angry Joe Show 5/10

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  • RusqueRusque Las Vegas, NVPosts: 2,495Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by FlawSGI
    Originally posted by Rusque
    Originally posted by Aeonblades
    Originally posted by Moar61

     Not sure I agreed with everything Joe had to say here, such as the grouping issue (super simple, you travel to player and done). However I think Joe's a bit over the top with anything he does. 

    Shockingly, I feel IGN made the fairest review of ESO. 7.8-8 is exactly where I'd put it. Great fun if you acknowledge it's an MMO, just watch the bugs. Thankfully I haven't experienced ANY progress blocking bugs. 

    Yea I really don't see how people are having trouble grouping. When my friends log on we are standing next to each other in about 5 seconds. Travel to player is a wonderful tool.

    A lot of people seem to have ran into bugs that I haven't so I take my own words with a grain of salt, maybe I'm just one of the lucky ones!

    The problem arises if you are not on the same quest / step as your group mates.

    If you finish quest 1 and are phased because of it, your friend has to finish it before you can continue on together. Now, that's not on all quests, so the issue slightly exaggerated and if you're playing with someone like a gf/wife chances are you're questing together in a literal sense and will be on the same quest/step and won't experience this issue.

    Not exactly true either. I do play with my wife and the problem we ran into on more than one occasion was phasing being buggy and when it is working correctly we are able to quest together until it does it again. The phasing became an issue when we would go in and out of places. Also if there was a quest giver that was running up to us, sometimes only one of us would see it and that also lead to grouping being an issue. And yes, this was not always resolved with the "simple" travel to player option. While these issues were not game breaking, they took away from the whole experience and deserve to be pointed out by someone especially in an MMORPG. It would be nice if this fix wasn't necessary. But I guess some consider this acceptable.

    I wouldn't consider that acceptable, I've just never experienced that. Though "travel to" doesn't move you to someone's phasel, it just puts you in the same server instance (i.e. Server 1, Server 2, Server 3).

    I'd send the other stuff you describe in a bug report.

  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Algo Star SystemPosts: 1,015Member Uncommon

    It doesn't matter if anybody heard of Angry Joe or not.  You've heard of most of the things he's talking about for the most part which makes his review pretty on point. 

     

  • FlawSGIFlawSGI Woodstock, GAPosts: 1,379Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Rusque
    Originally posted by FlawSGI
    Originally posted by Rusque
     

    The problem arises if you are not on the same quest / step as your group mates.

    If you finish quest 1 and are phased because of it, your friend has to finish it before you can continue on together. Now, that's not on all quests, so the issue slightly exaggerated and if you're playing with someone like a gf/wife chances are you're questing together in a literal sense and will be on the same quest/step and won't experience this issue.

    Not exactly true either. I do play with my wife and the problem we ran into on more than one occasion was phasing being buggy and when it is working correctly we are able to quest together until it does it again. The phasing became an issue when we would go in and out of places. Also if there was a quest giver that was running up to us, sometimes only one of us would see it and that also lead to grouping being an issue. And yes, this was not always resolved with the "simple" travel to player option. While these issues were not game breaking, they took away from the whole experience and deserve to be pointed out by someone especially in an MMORPG. It would be nice if this fix wasn't necessary. But I guess some consider this acceptable.

    I wouldn't consider that acceptable, I've just never experienced that. Though "travel to" doesn't move you to someone's phasel, it just puts you in the same server instance (i.e. Server 1, Server 2, Server 3).

    I'd send the other stuff you describe in a bug report.

    Oh it has been reported and was also reported by me personally during beta. In any case it doesn't really matter all that much to me but I can see why AJ felt the need to comment on this aspect of the game was all. It's crap like this that makes the grouping aspect of ESO infuriating and annoying to the point that the wife has already stated she has no desire to continue. As someone who plays these games for the social portions, I have to agree.. We do not use the "travel to player" as a way to get around so I was aware that it is just used to link up on the same servers instance. As it is now we see white arrows in place of character models more often than we care to, which is never and this is especially true when we are already on the same instance and suddenly find ourselves separated upon entering or exiting a public dungeon.

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  • JoeyMMOJoeyMMO SomewherePosts: 1,326Member

    That was a long review. He brings up some points that I hadn't heard before. The PvE grouping mechanic is quite shocking for what is supposed to be an MMO. I can see why somebody who likes GW2 could easily dislike ESO quite a bit.

    I think it helps prospective buyers see issues they wouldn't know about. It's informative, if opionated, then again, everybody is entitled to one, so why not Angry Joe? If you're considering buying ESO, that review if one you should see. You can put your own score on it, but it shows interesting things.

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  • Colt47Colt47 Elgin, ILPosts: 546Member Uncommon
    I've seen multiple sources give low scores to the game for good reasons and I'm not feeling inclined to buy or even try out this one.  The over all vibe is that it only gets a good score if people forgive it's weak points.  Considering some of these said weak points have been present in the MMO genre for years, I'm definitely not inclined to forgive and forget anymore.
  • HarikenHariken Brighton, MAPosts: 1,244Member Uncommon
    Great review from what i've heard . And i find it funny how alot of you are calling him a nobody and he sucks. But if he gave it a 10 you woulld be saying how spot on his reveiws are.  His reveiws always carry weight in the gaming industry whether you like it or not.
  • RictisRictis UnknownPosts: 1,261Member Uncommon
    I like Angry Joes reviews, hes usually spot on most of the time. He does post videos apologizing too if he finds hes made a mistake. I am not a fan of the entire show but the meat and potatoes is good.
  • DeathmachinePTDeathmachinePT Posts: 110Member Uncommon

    AJ has played over 100h of ESO and he has played probably a dozen of MMOs.

     

    Between GW2 and ESO you paid for GW2 only once when ESO is a pure money crab just to take advantage of TES fanboys, the value of what you are getting usually account for a couple of points of the final review score.

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  • Home15Home15 GentPosts: 203Member

    LOL @ tree voice.

    Zenimax realy ? you guys are funny, or more like amateurs.

  • blootmageblootmage TurnhoutPosts: 10Member Uncommon

    No problem, if they do go B2P I wouldn't mind then i'll probably get it on a discount too if I get the chance  ,cause the PvP looks fun.

    That is if they really do go B2P without the annoying cash shop.

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  • CouganCougan UKPosts: 419Member Uncommon

    AngryJoe makes some good reviews.

     

    The game has fantastic questing, exploration and some good PVP imo but its not going to be enough in the long run.

     

    Not been impressed by the exploits and bots or lack of official statements assuring me anything will be done about them.

  • udonudon Durham, NCPosts: 1,798Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DeathmachinePT

    AJ has played over 100h of ESO and he has played probably a dozen of MMOs.

     

    Between GW2 and ESO you paid for GW2 only once when ESO is a pure money crab just to take advantage of TES fanboys, the value of what you are getting usually account for a couple of points of the final review score.

    Yea, that's why GW2 is number 3 for highest revenue per player between all F2P games according to this site.

    http://www.superdataresearch.com/blog/mmo-arpu/

    Anyone who think's GW2 is B2P is delusional.  It's as hard core F2P as F2P comes with a upfront purchase price added on top for good measure.

  • KyleranKyleran Paradise City, FLPosts: 21,756Member Epic
    Originally posted by Hariken
    Great review from what i've heard . And i find it funny how alot of you are calling him a nobody and he sucks. But if he gave it a 10 you woulld be saying how spot on his reveiws are.  His reveiws always carry weight in the gaming industry whether you like it or not.

    Actually someone mentioned he gave GW2 a 10, and that loses all respect from me on that point alone.  There has never been a 10 in the MMO space, and to give a newly launched game one means that the score has no sound basis.

    But as for his 5 rating, that sounds quite reasonable actually, I am enjoying it but I can see how some of the PVE issues could drag down it's score, I couldn't put it much higher than a 6.5 to 7 at this point, mostly because I haven't really given the PVP a go yet, that might drag it up a bit for me.

    One thing, the PVE might be more enjoyable once the number of people actually dies down.  It's not nearly engaging right now when you have to struggle to kill a boss mob amid all the other players in the open world or one of the public dungeons that's totally bot infested currently.

     

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  • rodingorodingo Posts: 2,537Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Hariken
    Great review from what i've heard . And i find it funny how alot of you are calling him a nobody and he sucks. But if he gave it a 10 you woulld be saying how spot on his reveiws are.  His reveiws always carry weight in the gaming industry whether you like it or not.

    Exactly.  If he was a "nobody" this thread wouldn't have gotten as big as it had unlike the comical , "My honest review...." type of threads that usually burn out after 3 to 5 pages.

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  • udonudon Durham, NCPosts: 1,798Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by rodingo
    Originally posted by Hariken
    Great review from what i've heard . And i find it funny how alot of you are calling him a nobody and he sucks. But if he gave it a 10 you woulld be saying how spot on his reveiws are.  His reveiws always carry weight in the gaming industry whether you like it or not.

    Exactly.  If he was a "nobody" this thread wouldn't have gotten as big as it had unlike the comical , "My honest review...." type of threads that usually burn out after 3 to 5 pages.

    I don't think he is a nobody although I do think he should stick to console shooters which seem to be more his thing.

    ESO has it's faults but to say it's worse than almost all other MMO's released both F2P and B2P over the last 10 years is just silly.  

  • fantasyfreak112fantasyfreak112 Orange County, CAPosts: 499Member
    That daedric army invasion part was brilliant!
  • tixylixtixylix gfff, TNPosts: 1,237Member Uncommon
    Great review, he is always usually on the money and he sums most of my disappointments up here.
  • MukeMuke Posts: 2,384Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by nttajira

    who this guy and why i should care ?

    brb creating my youtube profile HAPPY man and give this game 8/10 when they fix the bugs....

    will post there, wait for it !!

    Didn't you know that every unemployed person with a Youtube account creating game reviews -and hopes he gets hired by a game magazine sometime- is a very credible source?

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  • tixylixtixylix gfff, TNPosts: 1,237Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Muke
    Originally posted by nttajira

    who this guy and why i should care ?

    brb creating my youtube profile HAPPY man and give this game 8/10 when they fix the bugs....

    will post there, wait for it !!

    Didn't you know that every unemployed person with a Youtube account creating game reviews -and hopes he gets hired by a game magazine sometime- is a very credible source?

    Wtf are you on about? He is one of the best reviewers out there, much better than most shitty shits like IGN.

  • ZinzanZinzan NorthPosts: 1,351Member Common

    Was an honest review, can't really argue with anything he said.

    A lot of it is echoing what many players have been saying for a while now.

    Zenimax made a real mess of something that should have been so easy to do.

    It's a shame but at least people are up in arms about the disgusting pricing model and are voting with their feet, will be interresting to see how bad the subs figures are 2-3 months in, im guessing terminal leading to the eventual, almost inevitable F2P.

    Sick of gaming companies bleeding gamers dry.

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  • ZinzanZinzan NorthPosts: 1,351Member Common
    Originally posted by Muke
    Originally posted by nttajira

    who this guy and why i should care ?

    brb creating my youtube profile HAPPY man and give this game 8/10 when they fix the bugs....

    will post there, wait for it !!

    Didn't you know that every unemployed person with a Youtube account creating game reviews -and hopes he gets hired by a game magazine sometime- is a very credible source?

    Could you be more clueless? I doubt it.

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  • RobsolfRobsolf Grand Rapids, MIPosts: 4,300Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by fantasyfreak112
    That daedric army invasion part was brilliant!

    I liked the bit with the quest dialogue from the talking tree.  So bad I thought it was a skit for a bit.

  • GravargGravarg Harker Heights, TXPosts: 3,382Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Zinzan

    Sick of gaming companies bleeding gamers dry.

    Yet everyone wants the game to go F2P.  Every F2P game I've ever played has always wanted to bleed me dry and spend over $500 in the first month to unlock everything.  Subscription games just want $40-100 upfront and $15 a month as long as I play...Who's bleeding the gamers now?

  • DEAD.lineDEAD.line LisbonPosts: 424Member
    Originally posted by udon
     

    I don't think he is a nobody although I do think he should stick to console shooters which seem to be more his thing.

     

    Joe plays mostly RPG's, but also alot of different game genres. And while he doesn't seem to get much into mmos, he reviewed, GW2, PS2, ESO, and talked about TOR, WS, and, as i said, Archeage. So he's clearly not some "console shooter guy" that doesn't know jack.

    In fact, he goes into more detailed points and presents footage to show what's refering to. That's far more than teh average review from random internet guy nº 34355, being it here on mmorpg.com, metacritic, massively, or any site.

    I do which he would have gone further into characer development, crafting and pvp, which are also my favorite things. But still a more competant review than most. As for me, having onyl played beta, i can only agree or disagree on a limited scale, and that's why i can't rate it.

  • EvilBeaversEvilBeavers Memphis, TNPosts: 17Member Uncommon
    I too like to get my opinions about things I might be interested from others! Is there anyone who does video reviews of things I should be wearing or things I should be watching? I would love to have to not formulate a complex thought in my head about if I like or dislike something based on my own experiences.
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