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Bash-O-Matic 9000 Volume 3 DK PvP Video

Pretty much included videos of Vr1+ in this one, I think there is 1 fight without it, just because it was funny

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWjeWorgRrU

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  • MikeBMikeB MMORPG.com Community Manager Queens, NYPosts: 5,720Administrator Uncommon
    I really hope they clamp down on this. Animation canceling is ridiculous and allows for some really stupid stuff.

    Michael "MikeB" Bitton
    Community Manager
    Twitter: @eMikeB

  • VyethVyeth Fayetteville, NCPosts: 1,459Member

    That is definitely some cheese right there.. But hey even endless fireballs from Ryu in street fighter is considered a very viable tactic..

    Cheese is definitely "fair", just need some "Kens" to find the counter..

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  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,209Member Uncommon
    The pvp doesn't look very balanced at all. Is everyone you faced just a total noob, do you have an OP build, did you edit out the stuff that didn't work so well for you, or am I missing something. I suppose you could be super pro, but that was some pretty nasty facestomping even for a pro player. In any event that looks like a pretty powerful build.
  • kitaradkitarad RomePosts: 1,744Member Uncommon
    They will probably nerf it and then people will cry

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  • KnotwoodKnotwood Missoula, MTPosts: 1,103Member

    If you see someone with a shield come at you why not just keep the block up and let them drain their stamina on your blocks, each time they get blocked they lose huge chunks of stamina lol.

     

     

    After the fifth bash being blocked and their stamina bar being empty, just own them.

     

    Also, if you see anyone anytime charge, know that you should be blocking as they are charging you.   If you don't block when you see someone charge you, don't expect to live long.

     

    You can also tell this guy has enchanting going on,  heres what he's doing to you...

    1.  Trait Infused.

    2.  Enchant Jode > Kaderi > Ta = Trifling Glyph of Shielding
    Jewelry Glyph - Reduce Cost of Bash by 4 and Reduce Cost of Blocking by 4 - 1-10 (common)

     

    3.  Enchant Jora > Kaderi > Ta = Trifling Glyph of Bashing
    Jewelry Glyph - Increase bash damage by 2 - 1-10 (common)

     

    And all the shield bash traits...    I would expect if you invested all this into your character, you should be able to be powerful,  to ask someone whos stacked up on enchants to be nerfed is like saying there should be no end game progression or crafting bonuses.
     

  • MikeBMikeB MMORPG.com Community Manager Queens, NYPosts: 5,720Administrator Uncommon
    Originally posted by Knotwood

    If you see someone with a shield come at you why not just keep the block up and let them drain their stamina on your blocks, each time they get blocked they lose huge chunks of stamina lol.

     

     

    After the fifth bash being blocked and their stamina bar being empty, just own them.

     

    Also, if you see anyone anytime charge, know that you should be blocking as they are charging you.   If you don't block when you see someone charge you, don't expect to live long.

     

    You can also tell this guy has enchanting going on,  heres what he's doing to you...

    1.  Trait Infused.

    2.  Enchant Jode > Kaderi > Ta = Trifling Glyph of Shielding
    Jewelry Glyph - Reduce Cost of Bash by 4 and Reduce Cost of Blocking by 4 - 1-10 (common)

     

    3.  Enchant Jora > Kaderi > Ta = Trifling Glyph of Bashing
    Jewelry Glyph - Increase bash damage by 2 - 1-10 (common)

     

    And all the shield bash traits...    I would expect if you invested all this into your character, you should be able to be powerful,  to ask someone whos stacked up on enchants to be nerfed is like saying there should be no end game progression or crafting bonuses.
     

    It's not the bashing itself I'm concerned about, it's the animation canceling that's being used to make it work as well as it does. Animation canceling can be used for other builds or just in general to make it possible to do huge chunks of damage in a short amount of time.

    Michael "MikeB" Bitton
    Community Manager
    Twitter: @eMikeB

  • DistopiaDistopia Baltimore, MDPosts: 16,908Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by MikeB
    Originally posted by Knotwood

    If you see someone with a shield come at you why not just keep the block up and let them drain their stamina on your blocks, each time they get blocked they lose huge chunks of stamina lol.

     

     

    After the fifth bash being blocked and their stamina bar being empty, just own them.

     

    Also, if you see anyone anytime charge, know that you should be blocking as they are charging you.   If you don't block when you see someone charge you, don't expect to live long.

     

    You can also tell this guy has enchanting going on,  heres what he's doing to you...

    1.  Trait Infused.

    2.  Enchant Jode > Kaderi > Ta = Trifling Glyph of Shielding
    Jewelry Glyph - Reduce Cost of Bash by 4 and Reduce Cost of Blocking by 4 - 1-10 (common)

     

    3.  Enchant Jora > Kaderi > Ta = Trifling Glyph of Bashing
    Jewelry Glyph - Increase bash damage by 2 - 1-10 (common)

     

    And all the shield bash traits...    I would expect if you invested all this into your character, you should be able to be powerful,  to ask someone whos stacked up on enchants to be nerfed is like saying there should be no end game progression or crafting bonuses.
     

    It's not the bashing itself I'm concerned about, it's the animation canceling that's being used to make it work as well as it does. Animation canceling can be used for other builds or just in general to make it possible to do huge chunks of damage in a short amount of time.

    That definitely sounds like something that needs fixed!

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

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  • AzothAzoth montreal, QCPosts: 720Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by MikeB
    Originally posted by Knotwood

    If you see someone with a shield come at you why not just keep the block up and let them drain their stamina on your blocks, each time they get blocked they lose huge chunks of stamina lol.

     

     

    After the fifth bash being blocked and their stamina bar being empty, just own them.

     

    Also, if you see anyone anytime charge, know that you should be blocking as they are charging you.   If you don't block when you see someone charge you, don't expect to live long.

     

    You can also tell this guy has enchanting going on,  heres what he's doing to you...

    1.  Trait Infused.

    2.  Enchant Jode > Kaderi > Ta = Trifling Glyph of Shielding
    Jewelry Glyph - Reduce Cost of Bash by 4 and Reduce Cost of Blocking by 4 - 1-10 (common)

     

    3.  Enchant Jora > Kaderi > Ta = Trifling Glyph of Bashing
    Jewelry Glyph - Increase bash damage by 2 - 1-10 (common)

     

    And all the shield bash traits...    I would expect if you invested all this into your character, you should be able to be powerful,  to ask someone whos stacked up on enchants to be nerfed is like saying there should be no end game progression or crafting bonuses.
     

    It's not the bashing itself I'm concerned about, it's the animation canceling that's being used to make it work as well as it does. Animation canceling can be used for other builds or just in general to make it possible to do huge chunks of damage in a short amount of time.

    The bashing is also pretty good, as a DK it's actually my most efficient ability, just spamming bash nets me more damage than using anything else, with animation canceling I can add a basic hit in between but overall it's not doing much for me. From what I see it mostly helps people that have good damage abilities.

     

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,209Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by MikeB

    It's not the bashing itself I'm concerned about, it's the animation canceling that's being used to make it work as well as it does. Animation canceling can be used for other builds or just in general to make it possible to do huge chunks of damage in a short amount of time.

    Turbine uses animation timings in LotRO to balance skills. Each skill has 4 timing phases and different skill category types can override an animation in a phase. The system is problematic for several reason that make skill and class balance a nightmare. Not only can damage work in this way, but healing and CC as well. It affects pvp and pve and creates very polar builds.

  • simsalabim77simsalabim77 Somewhere, CAPosts: 627Member Uncommon
    Is the combat as boring as it looks? From the perspective of someone who hasn't played the game yet, it looks pretty dreadful. Maybe it's just an animation problem. I've watched a few things like streams and videos and so far have been very unimpressed with the way the game looks. It looks "clunky" for lack of a better word. 
  • KinadoKinado lisbonPosts: 198Member

    I like to hear these guy's teamspeak when they are doing these videos, they feel such a rush and think they are so skilled its hilarious.  This guy seems aware of the state of pvp but in other videos I just hear guys saying "ohhh! F$%#ked him UP! YEAH! Totally owned him!". lol Dumbasses.

    I managed to kill 3 people simultaneously with no AOE 3v1 on multiple occasions, with a nightblade, no sucker punching, even though I'm not level 50 and was always outleveled. Hard to believe since characters just die in 3 seconds but its possible. I can't feel accomplished by it in TESO though, the game has its gameplay so flawed that its hard to take credit for anything in there.

    Seriously, PVP in ESO has nothing to do with skill. Its a mix of sucker punching people when they aren't aware of you, spamming overpowered abilities, exploiting bugs and hope your character doesn't get stuck in an animation preventing you from further attacks.

    I don't want to feel like a BAWSS killing people in a lame way, I like the challenge, I like good fights even if I lose. TESO fails at that miserably. I really hope they fix most of this stuff because what they did in Cyrodiil on being able to fight so many people at the same time is just epic, that engine deserves better gameplay!

    The only video I saw so far of a skilled player some was female Elf named Kelso or something similar and even then he played against complete clueless people that panic when pvping and start swinging their weapons everywhere hitting nothing but air lol.

    As for DK's, I just hit them from a distance or run away from them, that ultimate with a flag is scary, I saw different DK's in different occasions wiping entire groups with that ability. Just their AOE, nobody else's, they were alone.

    Most comical thing I've seen in PVP so far is Vampire Sorcerers using mist and bolt escape while carrying an Elder Scroll. What is Zenimax thinking? Do they play their own game? Doesn't seem like it.

     

     

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