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ESO is M rated - but there are no kill moves

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  • DMKanoDMKano Gamercentral, AKPosts: 8,522Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Siug
    Haven't seen anything worth M rating so far. This rating system is vague at best.

    The ESRB rating system is a complete joke.

  • LordZeikLordZeik mushu pork, NJPosts: 269Member Uncommon
    I would also like to point out that Zenimax was aiming for a teen rating for eso. The over zealous people at the rating department slapped the M sticker on this game. Aside from vampire feeding, and a quest to move some skooma for a friendly argo this game is pretty mild.
  • DMKanoDMKano Gamercentral, AKPosts: 8,522Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by LordZeik
    I would also like to point out that Zenimax was aiming for a teen rating for eso. The over zealous people at the rating department slapped the M sticker on this game. Aside from vampire feeding, and a quest to move some skooma for a friendly argo this game is pretty mild.

    This is my point exactly - Zenimax got screwed by the stupid rating system - ESO is in NO WAY deserving of M rating, period.

     

  • HokieHokie Vancouver Wa.Posts: 1,063Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by Hokie

     

    And that has what to do with talking about an ESRB rating?

    Oh nothing - maybe that ESRB rating is completely out of touch with reality - maybe that.

     

    LOL!!!!

    You used reality and Kardashians in the same sentence.

    Fuck man, that took some balls!

    "I understand that if I hear any more words come pouring out of your **** mouth, Ill have to eat every fucking chicken in this room."

  • DMKanoDMKano Gamercentral, AKPosts: 8,522Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Hokie
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by Hokie

     

    And that has what to do with talking about an ESRB rating?

    Oh nothing - maybe that ESRB rating is completely out of touch with reality - maybe that.

     

    LOL!!!!

    You used reality and Kardashians in the same sentence.

    Fuck man, that took some balls!

    You do realize that Elder Scrolls is 100% fantasy, and this is a game forum heh.

    Kardashians (regardless of how fake and shallow the show is) are actually real people.

    :p

     

  • HokieHokie Vancouver Wa.Posts: 1,063Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by Hokie
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by Hokie

     

    And that has what to do with talking about an ESRB rating?

    Oh nothing - maybe that ESRB rating is completely out of touch with reality - maybe that.

     

    LOL!!!!

    You used reality and Kardashians in the same sentence.

    Fuck man, that took some balls!

    You do realize that Elder Scrolls is 100% fantasy, and this is a game forum heh.

    Kardashians (regardless of how fake and shallow the show is) are actually real people.

    :p

     

    Dude! LOL!

    Youre killing me...stop!!!

    Either you or I have been in front of a computer too long if we think, or that is, how real people really act.

    LOL!

     

    "I understand that if I hear any more words come pouring out of your **** mouth, Ill have to eat every fucking chicken in this room."

  • VrikaVrika FinlandPosts: 2,580Member Uncommon

    Why does ESO deserve its rating according to ESBR:

    "battles are highlighted by cries of pain, impact sounds, and blood splashes. Some sequences depict large amounts of blood streaming up-close as vampires attack/feed on characters. In some quests players have the ability to mount creatures' severed heads onto pikes; some environments depict corpse piles or skeletons hanging from torture devices. Text descriptions or dialogue sometimes contain references to sexual material and/or innuendo (e.g., “She...raped the men as cruelly as Bal had ravished her”; “In his mind, she would be the sheath to every knight's blade”; “No sweetmeat for you”; But it is huge! It could take me all night!”). During the course of the game, alcohol (i.e., wine, mead, ale) can be purchased and consumed by the central character; one sequence prompts players to engage in a drinking contest, resulting in the central character's blurred vision/slurred speech"

    PEGI gave ESO PEGI 16 rating for realistic looking violence. They didn't think the game deserved warnings about sex or drugs.

  • BensorBensor GanarethPosts: 59Member Uncommon
    Well, I found a SM room. Woman dominator saying to me "Wait for your turn". There are zombies eating people and such, vampires, werewolves, violence, blood, dark stuff. This is enough to put a "M" flag.
  • MsPtibiscuitMsPtibiscuit Louvain-La-NeuvePosts: 164Member
    The game first wanted to get the 13+ rating, that's why there are no kill scene or big "mature" scene, and why they changed the lore so Moonsugar isn't a drug but a simple sugar.
  • AsariashaAsariasha Somewhere inPosts: 218Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by tawess
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by MikeJezZ
    DMKano this is not skyrim.

    Being locked into an animation would suck in PvP

    Never played AoC - have you?

    Worked fine in PvP there.

    I am pretty sure that putting Age of Conan and worked fine together is grounds for deportation =P

     

    Also the "finishers" in AoC quickly became kind of boring. But as other says there is more to a M rating then naked features and gory decapitations.

    I agree 100%.

    The thing is ESO is really lacking on Mature content - IMO.

    Sorry the thread derailed to stupid "finishers" lol - but seriously, violonce in ESO is not that bad. There's no real sexual themes.

    Other games that have M rating at least deserve it - AoC - there's nudity, there's sexual themes, there's gore, there's pretty disturbing content.

    Heck even Defiance has foul language, heads exploding, substance abuse etc...

    Again ESO has - demons? Undead? ..... A norse dude in underpants?

    C'mon.

    Whoever put M on this game sort of screwed Zenimax over - it's not deserving of M rating.

     

     

    So, in your opinion blood spatters and kill moves is what makes a game more mature? o.O

     

    FYI. Graphics and animations like kill moves are not the only thing to be considered when it comes to rating a game and I wonder if you have skipped all the quest texts / voice overs?

     

    The story writing often includes strong language, themes back-stabbing intrigues leading to murder and presents you with scenes about prostituion in some taverns. The quest I found causing the most strange feeling was in Deeshan. A NPC makes you eat something and afterwards tells you that it was flesh of the woman you previously escorted to the encampment.

     

    The rating is appropriate.

     

     

     

     

  • IneveraskforthisIneveraskforthis Macros 7Posts: 374Member

    Look who is complaining again.

     

    I should had knew it.

     

     

    Oh, and how the hell did you reach VR4 in such a short period of time while spending so much in this god damn forum? Jez

  • VolgoreVolgore Posts: 2,207Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Ineveraskforthis

    Look who is complaining again.

     

    I should had knew it.

     

     

    Oh, and how the hell did you reach VR4 in such a short period of time while spending so much in this god damn forum? Jez

    It's not a Trion game, what did you expect?

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  • DMKanoDMKano Gamercentral, AKPosts: 8,522Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Volgore
    Originally posted by Ineveraskforthis

    Look who is complaining again.

     

    I should had knew it.

     

     

    Oh, and how the hell did you reach VR4 in such a short period of time while spending so much in this god damn forum? Jez

    It's not a Trion game, what did you expect?

    You guys didn't read the whole thread - I am saying that Zenimax got shafted by ESRB.

    This is a complaint for how much ESRB fails.

     

     

  • DMKanoDMKano Gamercentral, AKPosts: 8,522Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by MsPtibiscuit
    The game first wanted to get the 13+ rating, that's why there are no kill scene or big "mature" scene, and why they changed the lore so Moonsugar isn't a drug but a simple sugar.

    To me a PG13 type rating (whatever the ESRB equivalent) would suffice, slapping M on ESO is just so wrong.

  • RusqueRusque Las Vegas, NVPosts: 2,228Member Uncommon

    I think it's the content that gave it the M rating, not the animations.

    Other games with violent animations get M ratings for obvious reasons, but ESO is kind of brutal in content.

    There are multiple instances in which you get to decide to kill or spare an NPC at the end of a quest chain. There's also the rampant skooma abuse, there are some high ass cats in this game.

     

    Now, the ESRB is rere, but I can see the M given for thematic content.

  • asmkm22asmkm22 Anchorage, AKPosts: 1,788Member

    I do think it's a little strange how it got an M rating.  Is there even blood in the game?  I honestly can't recall seeing any, although I could have just not been paying enough attention.

    Compared to the stuff you can do in, say, SWtOR, this game is very light-weight on the moral scale.  I've yet to see instances where you can hack off a guys' head and show it to his wife, or proposition recent bombing victims for sex, or force your slave to join in on sex with a woman who just had you kill her husband...

    Very strange.

    You make me like charity

  • ThornrageThornrage Eastern North CarolinaPosts: 592Member Uncommon

    I'm not seeing the M rating either.

    I wish they would make use of it since it is there ... would love to see some AoC executes.

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  • JyiigaJyiiga Seneca, SCPosts: 1,041Member Uncommon

    If you are not seeing the M rating then you are skipping all the conversations with NPCs.

    - Minor Spoiler -

    If you talk to Tharn after one of the main quest lines he says something along the lines of...

    "I have a young lady to meet, need to go change out money. Those kind of woman do not work on credit."

    Read between the lines.. Hes going to get a prostitute.

    Beyond that the game has blood, killing, demons, drug use, all manner of talk about sex and sexuality.

  • DMKanoDMKano Gamercentral, AKPosts: 8,522Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Jyiiga

    If you are not seeing the M rating then you are skipping all the conversations with NPCs.

    - Minor Spoiler -

    If you talk to Tharn after one of the main quest lines he says something along the lines of...

    "I have a young lady to meet, need to go change out money. Those kind of woman do not work on credit."

    Read between the lines.. Hes going to get a prostitute.

    Beyond that the game has blood, killing, demons, drug use, all manner of talk about sex and sexuality.

    Again - all of this (except blood, and demons) is readily talked about on most TV "reality" shows on regular TV in US - and none of that is rated Mature.

    Nothing is shown - having an NPC talk about going to see a virtual NPC hooker - that's not mature - that's PG13 - as NOTHING is shown. Talking about drugs - again PG13 - no actual drug use is shown.

    The ESRB system is just absolute garbage.

     

  • JyiigaJyiiga Seneca, SCPosts: 1,041Member Uncommon

    Not that it matters at all at this point.

    17+ is a guideline. Up to parents to make the call. It keeps a child from walking into a store and buying it (in most cases).

    The intent is to leave the decision in the hand of the parent. As it should be.

    I have listed what the rating states below and it is spot on. It has all this and oh... Your child may or may not be exposed people in the game that are insane, homophobic, racist and more!

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    Release Date: April 4, 2014
    M for Mature: Blood and Gore, Sexual Themes, Use of Alcohol, Violence, Includes online features that may expose players to unrated user-generated content
     
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  • DMKanoDMKano Gamercentral, AKPosts: 8,522Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Jyiiga

    Not that it matters at all at this point.

    17+ is a guideline. Up to parents to make the call. It keeps a child from walking into a store and buying it (in most cases).

    The intent is to leave the decision in the hand of the parent. As it should be.

    I have listed what the rating states below and it is spot on. It has all this and oh... Your child may or may not be exposed people in the game that are insane, homophobic, racist and more!

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    Release Date: April 4, 2014
    M for Mature: Blood and Gore, Sexual Themes, Use of Alcohol, Violence, Includes online features that may expose players to unrated user-generated content
     
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    I am not arguing the validity of what ESRB states and where ESO falls according to ESRB's made up rating system - so you are 100% correct.

    *However*

    I am arguing the validity of ESRB period.

    Slapping M on ESO is absurd.

    Slapping M on Halo was even more absurd (green alien blood and .. space guns?..)

    Seriously having a 16 year old not being able to purchase HALO 3 - .... /speechless

     

  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread PshPosts: 5,498Member Uncommon

    Here is an article about it. Bethesda said that they didn't agree with the rating either.

    http://www.gamespot.com/articles/elder-scrolls-online-rated-m-for-sexual-innuendo-severed-heads-and-drinking-games/1100-6417994/

     

    Here is what the ESRB said specifically in that article that was the reasoning behind their choice:

    This is a multiplayer online role-playing game in which players assume the role of a warrior in the fantastical world of Nirn. As players explore open-world environments, they can perform various quests and complete tasks. Characters use swords, arrows, axes, and magic attacks (e.g., lightning, fire attacks) to kill human-like and fantastical enemies (e.g., orcs, demons, giant insects). Players engage in melee-style combat, hacking and slashing at various enemies; battles are highlighted by cries of pain, impact sounds, and blood splashes. Some sequences depict large amounts of blood streaming up-close as vampires attack/feed on characters. In some quests players have the ability to mount creatures' severed heads onto pikes; some environments depict corpse piles or skeletons hanging from torture devices. Text descriptions or dialogue sometimes contain references to sexual material and/or innuendo (e.g., “She...raped the men as cruelly as Bal had ravished her”; “In his mind, she would be the sheath to every knight's blade”; “No sweetmeat for you”; But it is huge! It could take me all night!”). During the course of the game, alcohol (i.e., wine, mead, ale) can be purchased and consumed by the central character; one sequence prompts players to engage in a drinking contest, resulting in the central character's blurred vision/slurred speech.

     

    And it was summarized by them with:

     "Blood and Gore, Sexual Themes, Use of Alcohol, Violence."

     

    Here are the three official ratings categories that could potentially be applied to the game:

       
    esrb ratings symbol for e10 games EVERYONE 10+

    Content is generally suitable for ages 10 and up. May contain more cartoon, fantasy or mild violence, mild language and/or minimal suggestive themes.

    esrb ratings symbol for T-rated games TEEN

    Content is generally suitable for ages 13 and up. May contain violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling and/or infrequent use of strong language.

    esrb ratings symbol for m-rated games MATURE

    Content is generally suitable for ages 17 and up. May contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content and/or strong language.

     
  • WolfsheadWolfshead HallsbergPosts: 190Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by MikeJezZ
    DMKano this is not skyrim.

    Being locked into an animation would suck in PvP

    Never played AoC - have you?

    Worked fine in PvP there.

    Yes i have and honest the kill moves do not work that good in PvP while you look at you get attack from other player so yeah it work fine there NOT!!!

    Kill moves is all good and fun like 5 first time but after look at them for more then few time the get really boring and see what happen to AoC it went from great game to a really bad F2P i still miss AoC it have good story's and great ingame music that no other mmorpg have come close to but after there 1st expansion the went all F2P when most of community did not want them to do the did anyway it is to bad for if AoC never went F2P i would most like still play it.

  • DistopiaDistopia Baltimore, MDPosts: 16,905Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by Volgore
    Originally posted by Ineveraskforthis

    Look who is complaining again.

     

    I should had knew it.

     

     

    Oh, and how the hell did you reach VR4 in such a short period of time while spending so much in this god damn forum? Jez

    It's not a Trion game, what did you expect?

    You guys didn't read the whole thread - I am saying that Zenimax got shafted by ESRB.

    This is a complaint for how much ESRB fails.

     

     

    when I read your title, as well as the 1st post it seemed you were asking why they didn't have a kill cam.

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  • ravencultravencult athensPosts: 17Member
    I have noticed that my flame staff sometimes makes the enemies burst in flames and turn to ashes afterwards.I don't know if thats counts as a ''fatality'' but looked impressive anyway.
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