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Originally posted by Iselin Originally posted by Bigdaddyx Originally posted by Iselin It's not so much belittling as putting things in perspective. This is to MMO gaming as 69 hot-dogs in one minute is to eating.
Calling them freaks is to belittle them. You can put things in perspective without insults. Too hard?
A lot of people do this to get the worlds first...if that makes them happy why the hell anyone else cares? their racing to max lvl is somehow spoiling your fun? do you feel better now after insulting them? if yes i am glad you took it out of your system.
You have a problem with circus freaks? What's the politically correct label for the sword swallowers, contortionists and ground glass eaters these days?
Actually never mind... the new term is "internet celebrity"
Why would you even say that stuff? It's not indicative of your posting behavior.
I don't get why people who make world achievements are regarded as freaks. They earned it, buddy. They earned it. I didn't, you didn't. They did. ... They did.
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Originally posted by GregMD We all play differently. For me I want to enjoy each and every quest so I'm still level 8 with my first character but I'm having fun and getting what I paid for. If I wanted to be level 50 in a day I would just pay someone to do it... Play how you like and like what you play...
+1, nuff said
play how you want and the fuck with the world 1st, if you are not in the game for level race, then dont bother trying too hard to, i am only lv 9 after 3 days of release, and hell, i am enjoying every single quest there is so far, and also enjoyed running around Stonefall
So What Now?
Originally posted by coretex666 I dont think it should be possible in an MMORPG no matter how you play it.
I certainly don't want power gamers setting the tempo of MMOs I'm interested in playing. As long as the game is enjoyable to me I don't give a rat's ass if some schmuck reaches max level in a day.
Originally posted by Karteli Originally posted by Iselin Originally posted by Bigdaddyx Originally posted by Iselin It's not so much belittling as putting things in perspective. This is to MMO gaming as 69 hot-dogs in one minute is to eating.
Do you really have to ask?
Here's a lengthy thread where mostly people are talking about whether it's possible or not and then making inferences about what it says about the game based on that.
As you indicated, we both know that this is doable through coordinated and dedicated AOE grinding in all MMOs.
So...after we get beyond the non-ESO-specific nature of this "achievement" what are we left with? We are left with someone ( or more likely a few someones by now) who have perverted a gaming experience the same way that eating 69 hot dogs in 10 minutes is a perversion of eating.
Yes, people do this and worse for attention every day and Guiness catalogs it. But get real man, there are worthy world firsts and other achievements and there are weird ones.
We're not talking about someone becoming renowned for running the fastest 1000 meters or cracking the genetic code or even being the best ESO player in PVP - those are things I could and do admire - but I don't admire just any random guy who does just any old goofy thing as a world first.
Some deserve praise and others are just weird curiosities.
Originally posted by GeezerGamer Originally posted by Thane yea, you got those in all the mmos. "uuuh i reached max lvl in xxx hours and xxx mins, and now i have nothing to do! what a stupid game!" as i mention before, you can also rush through skyrim in an hour. but it is just stupid to do so.
But now that the cat is out of the bag, this is exactly what will happen.
Look what happened in FFXIV:ARR. Soon as someone hit 50 by fate grinding and skipping all that content, the entire game across all realms became nothing more than one huge fate grinding power leveler. The masses started hitting 50 in days. Once someone finds an "easier way" to level. That becomes the "standard" to level. Then entire communities will miss much of a game's content for the sake of hitting cap.
I don't think it's because players want to bypass content. It's because players are afraid of getting behind other players and will somehow be left out. So this is what happens. It's the developer's fault for allowing it to happen in the 1st place.
Cool story, except that just like in FFXIV, now youre max level but cant even complete your max level character. In ESO, youre missing tons of skill points that you need to fill out all of your passives and various other skills and have to go back and play through the low level areas anyway. In FFXIV you hit 50 through fates, then had to go back and complete all of the main story content you skipped over in order to unlock your 50 gear like relic weapons.
Sure, people might power level to 50 in both games, but theyre no closer to being truly complete characters than most other people who in the case of FFXIV were much further along in the story and closer to unlocking relics and stuff, and in the case of ESO who probably have more skill points to fill out their builds at half the level.
Originally posted by Iselin Originally posted by Karteli Originally posted by Iselin Originally posted by Bigdaddyx Originally posted by Iselin It's not so much belittling as putting things in perspective. This is to MMO gaming as 69 hot-dogs in one minute is to eating.
It's apparent you have little to no appreciation for his achievement. While you are at it, you may as well bad mouth 1st crafting achievements and 1st kill achievements .. because the people who got them didn't play it slow enough to meet your standards. They were just too fast, which makes them failures.
Sorry, but if you can't compete, that is not an excuse to trash others.
If an achievement is not worthwhile to you, then let it go. Someone achieved it, let them have their moment.
If an achievement is worthwhile to you, embrace it. Share it with others.
There is nothing personal, lol .. I just dislike when someone goes out of their way to downplay a life achievement. Let the guy have his moment already .. sheesh.
[mod edit] If an achievement is not worthwhile to you, then let it go. Someone achieved it, let them have their moment. If an achievement is worthwhile to you, embrace it. Share it with others. There is nothing personal, lol .. I just dislike when someone goes out of their way to downplay a life achievement. Let the guy have his moment already .. sheesh.
What would be even more interesting is why (from your earlier post) you might consider the best PVP player as an achievement. Really, does it matter any more than the 1st person to get max level? PVE vs PVP mindsets I guess.
PVE'ers are people too! .. =D
Originally posted by Karteli Originally posted by Iselin
So you dislike something and you post about it... I guess we're pretty similar that way.... me with my dislike of making a fuss over dumbass achievements and you with your dislike of being critical of that
Why you consider this a dumbass achievement is an interesting tale, I'm sure.
Damn, did I forget to throw PVErs a bone?
Being the best raid healer is an achievement I can respect...
Being the best tank is an achievement I can respect....
Being a hard-working DPSer with good situational awareness in group dungeons is an achievement I can respect...
Soloing PVE content without dying is an achievent I respect...
Trivializing a months long MMO gaming experience by powering through 1-50 in hours is not one of those things I respect...
And no, despite your best efforts to distort it, it has nothing to do with PVE vs. PVP nor any jealousy... I also can't eat 69 hot dogs in 10 minutes and I'm OK with that.
Originally posted by evilastro Its not exploiting, he didn't do some bugged quest for infinite XP, he just did grinding. If anything, Zenimax should just cut its losses and un-nerf the XP from dungeons and group content. Funnelling everyone into quests will just lead to people finding ways around it like this guy did.
They nerfed "at level" exp gaining. If you constantly push forward and do content above your level you will get exp a LOT QUICKER, which is exactly what everyone is doing who are level 30+ after 2 days.
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Its an achievement. How people view the achievement is another matter but it is an achievement.
And whilst 50 isn't / won't be the pinnacle of power (in the same way that 90 isn't the pinnacle in WoW say) it is a significant step. And under 1 day is fast.
Those suggesting that said folks will be complaining about "lack of content":
Anyone know how many of these guys are actually questing vs group AOE grinding?
After watching that guy's twitch feed of him AOEing zombies I feel like I'm playing this game all wrong.
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi Originally posted by Bozo256 Anyone know how many of these guys are actually questing vs group AOE grinding? After watching that guy's twitch feed of him AOEing zombies I feel like I'm playing this game all wrong.
Chionese power leveling. THe guy was in a ppower leveling group which he paid some money for.
THese powerleveling companies know every exploit in the game to get people max level in under 20 hours.
THey have already hacked these servers as well and Zenimax is pretty much toast at this point for the PC portion of the game. Even on xbox and ps4 , the chinese probably have modded boxes to hack those servers as well.
It is one of the biggest messes I;ve witnessed,,,, this could top Vanguard SOH...in mess.
Now the Chinese are hacking Zenimax servers to powerlevel their customers? WTF...
This thread is awesome.
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi Chionese power leveling.
(grabs my American made tinfoil hat)
His entire clan was doing it. THe only difference between him and his clan mates was that his clan mates logged out of game. I'm tired of seeing this doom and gloom posts from people who obviously have an agenda against the game. It didn't take hacking to do this. It didn't take power level company/gold sellers. It just simply took knowledge that was gathered in beta. The guy didn't exploit at all, he simply took on harder mobs than with a group and burned them down to get the extra exp from killing mobs at a higher level.
Originally posted by andreawales Hmmm ... I played for about 10 hours and I have reached level 7 , am I doing something wrong here ?
Only if you care about leveling quickly. The starter zone actually slows your leveling down, but its meant to draw you into the story, which is why it shouldn't be skipable by default. Zenimax has made some terrible decisions in patching the game and this is one of them.
Originally posted by xpiher Originally posted by andreawales Hmmm ... I played for about 10 hours and I have reached level 7 , am I doing something wrong here ?
Yes I went back to the starter zone because I had read somewhere on here that it shouldn't be missed , I have to say I have really enjoyed it so far , and certainly haven't found it boring as some people have been saying
Originally posted by M0rbid Originally posted by Iselin Originally posted by Karteli Originally posted by Iselin Originally posted by Karteli Originally posted by Rhoklaw 2 levels an hour? Sounds like an exploit to me. That might be possible to level 10 or 20, but not from 20 to 50.
It was webcasted lol .. the person used massive AOE.
If AOE is an exploit, then that is a problem for Zenimax, not players. Players use what is available.
I don't think I've ever seen a game where AOE groups can't bust the leveling curve all to shit. Anyone who is in an extreme hurry to level up as fast as humanly possible knows this and plans accordingly.
All it takes is some scouting in beta to figure out where the density of mobs in the open world is really high for different levels.
Personally I think they're all people like a notorious over-poster and thread starter in these forums who shall remain nameless, who recently said here that leveling 1-level cap is a tutorial and the "real game" starts after that...
People like that will always find a way to "beat the system".... there loss lol. They get their 15 minutes of attention - and it's not unlike the attention we give to other things that make us cringe...like a bad accident on the highway-- and then they wait many more months in forums until the next release they will "beat."
Freaks have always been and will always be good entertainment for a couple of minutes.
Same principle is how WoW max level gets done, in a hurry.
No exploits, just a bunch of supporters willing to get someone there, really, really fast. They all assist, and the recipient reaps the rewards. The recipient was Jake Shelton.
It's not really beating the system, so much as it is "DONE, max level in under 24 hours, you all were wrong about leveling time."
The person's experience was undoubtedly dreadful, so no reason to belittle his efforts. I wouldn't even try what he did.
It's not so much belittling as putting things in perspective. This is to MMO gaming as 69 hot-dogs in one minute is to eating.
Oh look, it's Iselin with his own particular brand of nastiness towards anyone or anything that he does not admire or endorse and/or anything he construes as showing ESO off in a negative light.
Play the game how you want to and enjoy it. Don't deride and label others as freaks simply because they enjoy a playstyle that you do not.
Just because these players have more dedication to ESO than you Iselin is no excuse to insult them.
Rofl Dedication? If to you banging some chick and never contacting that person again is dedication. haha.
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Originally posted by Karteli Originally posted by Rhoklaw 2 levels an hour? Sounds like an exploit to me. That might be possible to level 10 or 20, but not from 20 to 50.
Then I'm personally happy I didn't buy this game as it appears TESO is just another worthless WoW clone where content is ignored and FPS insta gratification gamers get their rocks off. This is precisely why I feel TESO will be F2P in 6 months.
It has already been confirmed that the level 50s are devs and senior testers. They did it to draw attention to the game with threads like this.
ESO devs create level 50 characters for April Fools prank.