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ESO is using Hero Engine afterall...

jestahrjestahr LondonPosts: 22Member

My face when I was greeted by a "POWERED BY HERO ENGINE" splash screen while installing the launch client.

For those unaware, Hero is the same engine that powers SWTOR. The funny thing is ZOS made a big fuss that Hero Engine was only used for early testing, and that they had built their own engine for the full release. Apparently that was just damage control to distance the game from SWTOR whilst that ship was sinking in 2012/2013.

So now it makes perfect sense why they have no plans for speech bubbles, they cripple the performance of the fragile Hero engine as was evident in SWTOR when they removed them completely in early beta never to be seen again.

I wonder what other suprises are in store. Perhaps they will follow SWTOR's F2P within a year business model too.

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  • ThaneThane berlinPosts: 2,232Member Uncommon

    yea, but hey took that engine, held it captive in their basement, and did some total nasty stuff to it.

    after such an experience, engines change.

     

    believe me, this is totaly not SWTOR (not that i didnt like or played SWTOR... but ESO is not)

    "I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"

  • baphametbaphamet omaha, NEPosts: 2,838Member Uncommon

    no it doesn't, this has been disproved here several times already.

  • MeridiasBeaconMeridiasBeacon baltimore, MDPosts: 86Member
    I am confused. I remember the devs talking about their own engine. Perhaps they are using a hybrid engine or something?
  • jestahrjestahr LondonPosts: 22Member
    Originally posted by baphamet

    no it doesn't, this has been disproved here several times already.

    Hope you're correct. Why on earth would they keep the splash screen "POWERED BY HERO ENGINE" then? Sorry but it's clear they bought a license and modified the Hero Engine, otherwise they would have no obligation to advertise the fact it's powered on Hero would they?

  • M0rbidM0rbid PendletonPosts: 60Member
    What has been disproved exactly? Are you saying that ESO does not use the Hero Engine? Or are you saying the Hero Engine doesn't become crippled when adding chat bubbles?

    Would love to see your sources as most people know both of those statements are true.
  • baphametbaphamet omaha, NEPosts: 2,838Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by jestahr

    Originally posted by baphamet no it doesn't, this has been disproved here several times already.
    Hope you're correct. Why on earth would they keep the splash screen "POWERED BY HERO ENGINE" then? Sorry but it's clear they bought a license and modified the Hero Engine, otherwise they would have no obligation to advertise the fact it's powered on Hero would they?

    "We started ZeniMax Online from scratch, with no employees and no technology. We had to build everything ourselves. It takes a long time to write game engines, especially MMO engines, which are inherently more complicated than typical single-player ones. So, we decided to license the HeroEngine to give us a headstart. It was a useful tool for us to use to prototype areas and game design concepts, and it provided us the ability to get art into the game that was visible, so we could work on the game’s art style. Our plan is for ESO to be a world class MMO, with the most advanced social features found in any MMO to date – so while we were prototyping the game on HeroEngine, we were simultaneously developing our own client, server, and messaging layer that were specifically designed with ESO in mind. Think of HeroEngine as a whiteboard for us – a great tool to get some ideas in the game and start looking at them while the production engine was in development. "

    -Matt Firor


    http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/05/25/why-the-elder-scrolls-online-isn-39-t-using-heroengine.aspx?fb_ref=.T7_qxmabB4c.like&fb_source=home_oneline

  • jacktorsjacktors Port St Lucie, FLPosts: 158Member Uncommon

    What is the difference? The game graphics are beautiful. Either you are going to enjoy this type of MMO, or it will not be your cup of tea.  If not, there are so many more Free to play or subscription MMorpg's out there to choose from. From my time in beta, the game engine worked fantastic.  The only problems I saw was quest bugs.  I am optimistic that Zenimax will have them fixed by release.  

    But to compare this game to SWToR, is rediculous.  

  • bcbullybcbully Westland, MIPosts: 8,275Member Uncommon
    Good for Hero. swtor almost killed them. Hero now seems like one of the better engines on the market.
  • baphametbaphamet omaha, NEPosts: 2,838Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by M0rbid
    What has been disproved exactly? Are you saying that ESO does not use the Hero Engine? Or are you saying the Hero Engine doesn't become crippled when adding chat bubbles?Would love to see your sources as most people know both of those statements are true.

    it doesn't use it, read the quote in my previous post.

  • M0rbidM0rbid PendletonPosts: 60Member
    @baphamet

    So they made the game using Hero Engine whilst making their own client/server tech. But the engine is definitely Hero Engine. Thanks for confirming.

  • MpfiveMpfive LondonPosts: 295Member
    Who cares, just enjoy the bloody game, it's the eve of the launch and people still find things to cry about
  • udonudon Durham, NCPosts: 1,767Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by jacktors

    What is the difference? The game graphics are beautiful. Either you are going to enjoy this type of MMO, or it will not be your cup of tea.  If not, there are so many more Free to play or subscription MMorpg's out there to choose from. From my time in beta, the game engine worked fantastic.  The only problems I saw was quest bugs.  I am optimistic that Zenimax will have them fixed by release.  

    But to compare this game to SWToR, is rediculous.  

    My feeling's exactly.  Really if the Hero engine is used in both SWTOR and ESO it shows a engine with incredible flexibility as both those games look, feel and play completely different.  I'm not sure you could make two theme park MMO's that are more different than ESO and SWTOR.

  • ArndushArndush Dallas, TXPosts: 303Member

    This again? Try reading this http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/05/25/why-the-elder-scrolls-online-isn-39-t-using-heroengine.aspx

    "6so while we were prototyping the game on HeroEngine, we were simultaneously developing our own client, server, and messaging layer that were specifically designed with ESO in mind. Think of HeroEngine as a whiteboard for us – a great tool to get some ideas in the game and start looking at them while the production engine was in development."

    This article was from 2012. There is so much misinformation because people who know nothing about the game keep yapping about it. Not directing this at you OP, but instead at the people providing you with the misinformation.

  • baphametbaphamet omaha, NEPosts: 2,838Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by M0rbid
    @baphametSo they made the game using Hero Engine whilst making their own client/server tech. But the engine is definitely Hero Engine. Thanks for confirming.

    if that's what you got from that quote, i suggest you read it again, this time take off the troll glasses first.

  • fascismfascism marquette, MIPosts: 358Member Uncommon
    Whats wrong with the Hero Engine? SWTOR was pretty shitty a year ago but I played it the other day and it was running great for me.
  • DewBaahDewBaah Marlton, NJPosts: 16Member
    The Hero engine is deffinitly there some where most likely totally modified but they would not put up as a splash screen unless it was indeed in use.
  • M0rbidM0rbid PendletonPosts: 60Member
    Lol...yeah we didnt use the hero engine...we promise.

    From the company that promised full addon support, no pay gated content and DEFINITELY no cash shop selling in game items.

    /golfclap
  • M0rbidM0rbid PendletonPosts: 60Member
    And also...if the game does not use Hero Engine they would not be contractually obliged to display it on the splash screen either.

    Do you have a pre prepared marketing quote to get around that fact too?
  • DMKanoDMKano Gamercentral, AKPosts: 8,529Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by fascism
    Whats wrong with the Hero Engine? SWTOR was pretty shitty a year ago but I played it the other day and it was running great for me.

    Swtor used a very early unfinished version, the way hero engine is today is light years ahead.

    Either way, Teso was prototyped using Hero engine, its not being used anymore.

     

  • baphametbaphamet omaha, NEPosts: 2,838Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by DewBaah
    The Hero engine is deffinitly there some where most likely totally modified but they would not put up as a splash screen unless it was indeed in use.

    or if they licensed it for early development while their own in house engine was in development?

  • KnotwoodKnotwood Missoula, MTPosts: 1,103Member
    Originally posted by jestahr

    My face when I was greeted by a "POWERED BY HERO ENGINE" splash screen while installing the launch client.

    For those unaware, Hero is the same engine that powers SWTOR. The funny thing is ZOS made a big fuss that Hero Engine was only used for early testing, and that they had built their own engine for the full release. Apparently that was just damage control to distance the game from SWTOR whilst that ship was sinking in 2012/2013.

    So now it makes perfect sense why they have no plans for speech bubbles, they cripple the performance of the fragile Hero engine as was evident in SWTOR when they removed them completely in early beta never to be seen again.

    I wonder what other suprises are in store. Perhaps they will follow SWTOR's F2P within a year business model too.

    because they used any part of the Hero's engine in their development they had to use it in credits, its part of the agreement.

     

    As far as ESO having its own engine, it does...  I think you have to research more on this before posting, puts some links up ect to see how ESO is different monster then the other games hero engine. 

     

    Its one day from launch so I'm not doing that research for you...  have at it image

  • M0rbidM0rbid PendletonPosts: 60Member
    @fascism

    not a huge amount wrong with it imo. It just struggles with things like chat bubbles.

    My real point is not the engine but the fan boys who feel the need to lie about it being used...for some reason...just seems silly being as its there advertised on the games splash screen
  • PhryPhry HampshirePosts: 6,289Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by fascism
    Whats wrong with the Hero Engine? SWTOR was pretty shitty a year ago but I played it the other day and it was running great for me.

    The problem is scale, the hero engine is okay with phasing and instancing, but bad at handling large numbers of players, very bad in fact, that Zenimax used the Hero engine to help build the game is understandable, as is the reason why they didn't use the hero engine for the actual game itself. SW;TOR has come a long way though, and its taken a lot of work and a lot of time for the game to reach the point its at now, limitations of the hero engine aside, but it still can't handle large numbers of players all that well.image

  • udonudon Durham, NCPosts: 1,767Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by fascism
    Whats wrong with the Hero Engine? SWTOR was pretty shitty a year ago but I played it the other day and it was running great for me.

    People blamed the Hero engine for the way zones where all corridors (very much a Knights of the Old Republic thing), how poorly the worlds rendered and small PVP.  If ESO does use the Hero engine I think they pretty much killed all three of those excuses at least with the Hero engine of today.  

    I really don't care one way or another as ESO seems to play just fine, the zones are large and it supports large numbers of people on screen at once easily with little lag.  It's really launching with a very strong engine regardless where it comes from so if it is the Hero engine either they made significant improvements to it since TOR or Zenimax did a better job integrating it into the game than Bioware.

  • DihoruDihoru ConstantaPosts: 2,731Member
    Originally posted by Knotwood
    Originally posted by jestahr

    My face when I was greeted by a "POWERED BY HERO ENGINE" splash screen while installing the launch client.

    For those unaware, Hero is the same engine that powers SWTOR. The funny thing is ZOS made a big fuss that Hero Engine was only used for early testing, and that they had built their own engine for the full release. Apparently that was just damage control to distance the game from SWTOR whilst that ship was sinking in 2012/2013.

    So now it makes perfect sense why they have no plans for speech bubbles, they cripple the performance of the fragile Hero engine as was evident in SWTOR when they removed them completely in early beta never to be seen again.

    I wonder what other suprises are in store. Perhaps they will follow SWTOR's F2P within a year business model too.

    because they used any part of the Hero's engine in their development they had to use it in credits, its part of the agreement.

     

    As far as ESO having its own engine, it does...  I think you have to research more on this before posting, puts some links up ect to see how ESO is different monster then the other games hero engine. 

     

    Its one day from launch so I'm not doing that research for you...  have at it image

    It wouldn't say powered by then, it would merely mention it with a emblem in the intro splash-screen. There's something off there and that's it.

    image
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