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By your logic, men beating their wives is perfectly acceptable if she says "It was no big deal, just a game, I'm fine, haha!", and drops any domestic violence charges.
The fact that you would even defend this type of behavior and the people who engage in it speaks volumes as to the quality of your character, just as CCP's tolerance of this kind of garbage does of theirs. As such, I'm not going to waste my time addressing you further.
Edit: Oh, and anyone who thinks Sokhar needed to apologize for being victimized, do you think bullied people should apologize to the bullies? Battered wives should apologize to their spouses?
Garbage like this makes me ashamed to be human.
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lol...very soundly, thank you.
Do you people read what you write?
Well, so...I asked you once before, should we ban football? [mod edit]
That's pretty cold.
That's just as bad as saying minority groups shouldn't be playing games because people might harass them with racial/bigotry slurs.
Are you defending that type of toxic attitude too? Can you not see what you are saying is morally wrong? Where do you draw the line?
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Huh? Are you equating me to saying that I am some how discriminating against a group of people because "I" posed the question to someone else?
Correct, it's about a guy getting scammed and ridiculed by a bunch of bastards because he consciously got into it.
He wasn't cornered or isolated, he wasn't forced into that decision, he could have logged off at any moment when the reading started. He didn't do so, he even neglected his wife.
The reaction of the sensationalistic crowd here is basically a tale of immaturity and not accepting nor respecting responsibility for one's actions. You are gonna make mistakes and come across bastards, scammers and evil people in all aspects of life. From your workplace, to a game of poker, to an EVE session.
Personally, I believe that the ones that accept the above, deal with it and try to learn, tend to be better people and have more moral integrity. The rest tend to be hypocrite man-children with double-edge morals that blame others for one's mistakes and who have an inclination towards paternalistic/totalitarian political regimes, all the while taking advantage of others' disgraces to promote their personal/political agendas.
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This is one of the most intelligent posts I've ever read on these forums.
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So that drunk wife beater wouldn't have hit his wife if not for the football game? It was all a consequence of the game happening, not a consequence of him being a shitbag to begin with?
If someone is unstable, abusive, etc they're going to be that way regardless of what does or doesnt happen in a game. Someone doesnt beat his wife "because" their football team lost. They do it because they're an abusive asshole. Someone doesn't kill themselves "because" something happened to them in a video game. They do it because they were unstable to begin with.
It's just like the accusations of "gaming" being the cause of death of some of these people who are obese, lack any sort of real nutrition, get very little sleep, no exercise, and live on energy drinks and fast food then "suddenly" have heart attacks and stuff. The obsessive gaming is just a symptom of other underlying issues and lack of self control, not the cause of it.
BTW, this guy, as he himself said, knowingly submitted himself to this and it was stupid of him. He was not "tortured". He did it to himself. He could have simply accepted his losses, logged out and been done with it. He was not forced into anything. He put himself through it in the hopes of gaining something.
By your logic, anyone who competes in gameshows / contests (survivor, fear factor, any number of similar shows) is being tortured. Thats idiotic. Theyre not being forced into it. They are doing it to themselves out of greed. They never had to put themselves int hat position, and can walk away any time it gets to be too much.
You people are acting like this guy was forcibly raped at gunpoint or something. You REALLY need a reality check.
I'm just glad some of these folks aren't the lawmakers and moral compass for the rest of us. Then again, I guess if they were I could go beat the hell out of my wife and kids whenever I feel like it, or go stab random strangers repeatedly and take their wallets and say "It isn't my fault. World of Warcraft made me do it" and I wouldn't even get arrested. I mean come on, I'm no threat to anyone due to my own mental state or lack of morals. It's all just a direct consequence of a game right?
This is a little more complex than just, "no harm, no foul". Nobody was physically harmed, and maybe somebody learned a lesson. More than one lesson maybe. That may not excuse the behavior.
Someone brought up Zimbardo's Stanford Prison Experiment in the other thread, and I'm going to use that here. We learned a lot of stuff from that experiment, and everyone involved in the experiment stated that they were not sorry they participated, including the guy who had a literal mental breakdown. That doesn't mean it was OK, and the experiment has never been repeated because of the results. Sometimes the only way to know where the line is, is by stepping across it.
First, we have to allow that scamming, murder, theft, etc. are all allowed within the context of the game. If Eve were an alien culture full of immortal beings and limited resources to police their frontier, this makes sense. Murder and loss of property are all things that wash out over time so there's not really much point in expending all the resources to police them. So, moving on past the accepted cultural norms, we ask a couple of questions.
Did the scammers step across a line by their behavior, regardless of the end result? Not the scam mind you, but the aggressive and for lack of a better word, "Trolling" nature of the encouter.
Did the person who released the encounter step across a line, regardless of the end result?
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
I thought it was common knowledge that EVEnews24 was nothing more than an outlet for a few people to rant about the big bads of EVE online; it's a garbage site.
Honestly, the people that got upset over this weren't actually EVE players and only use stories like this to disparage the community. Hence the original thread about this scam.
Scamming is a part of EVE, within the confines of the game it is okay, who cares about that. To think this has anything to do with sandbox game play is completely missing the point here. There's a line even in meta one shouldn't cross, they seem to have gone far beyond that line. More of this ignorant chest thumping I see. It's ridiculous to not see where people draw the line and what people are taking issue with here.
this is really your argument? Blah, shut eve down, blahh? really?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I dunno the whole story tbh my alliance leader probably gonna scream at me tonight in teamspeak for posting this.....
cuz we all laugh at all these funny post.
its amazing peoples put so many minutes actually trying to counter argument all this
keep up the good job.
Right too business.
1. you got scammed? OH NO YOU FAILED GO BACK TO SCHOOL.(basically if you get scammed by a cheat or hack ok then report its sad maybe if you had better security it wouldn't happen but, k sad to hear)
IF you get scammed in game because you made a fail trade or trusted wrong players then there is no massive RAGGGGGGE TIME you fail your own fault you suck face it.
2. I don't now whole story cuz I am too busy playing the game kill players earn some cash instead to.....you now... post bullshit in the forum thinking your something, its all a game some are better than others some want to become something else, something special, something that makes the game actually worth playing, sadly sometimes they think cuz they are something they can go all pro and post in forums, do like this or fuck you....
Just a troll post had to post it cuz I was bored and the shit I do atm need to wait tons of hours for the massive fleet festival to start cuz the distance is too large some stupid commander decide to move the fleet
not from A too B
but A too Ö makes me retarded mad cuz its stupid idea and will get everyone killed.
bombing time?
really?
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Just because they made up negates what happened? The blog was shit, I concur with that sentiment. What I heard in that TS recording though over the course of 2 1/2 hours is a little more than disturbing.
Good post. Sucks that Sohkar wants it to go away. I can understand it. We know why Erotica 1 wants it to go away. LMAO!
Has it grown to big for that? A faster response from CCP at this point I think is the only thing that will end it. Doesn't matter what stance they take. I listened to those two a little last night and it was awkward. I didn't listen to the whole thing. I went to sleep shortly after it started. But Sohkar unintentionally, no doubt, threw Erotica under the bus at least once. I laughed so hard because he was asked a question and just blurted out a honest response which wasn't in Erotica's favor.
I think he should have been more professional in his blog and let the recording speak on it's own. That is if he felt it needed to get out.
They both definitely crossed the line. Erotica pushed him to that point "for the laughs." Sohkar for what he said. The emotions were real. They carried over to his wife. What CCP should do if anything or if it was in the spirit of the game is for them to answer. I can and would only give my opinion.
Don't see how this is relevant to the fact that the EvE community is garbage. Stuff like this shouldn't happen to begin with among normal human beings.
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1. Teala, grow up kid. Eventually you'll learn how to reason properly and realize that your past (current) logic is complete doo doo. If not, well then what we have here is a failure to communicate between objective morality and one sad person.
2. It's not about Eve. It's not about being scammed. It's about morally reprehensible behavior that has crossed well past the border of reasonable into the twilight zone of depravity.
3. The reason the "victim", so to speak, is downplaying what happened and taking the blame off Erotica1 (a name obviously created by a pent-up, repressed no-lifer, yes, making assumptions here I am) is because this is the fastest way to shut this whole thing down. He doesn't want to be in the spotlight. It's the same with most rape cases. Women often do not want to make it public that they have been raped because that presents all kinds of issues and problems of it's own due to our borked society and the way it is structured and operates.
4. I've said what I have to say on this and so I shall not contribute anymore except to offer one last piece of advice.
Teala, I seriously suggest you take a philosophy class specifically about ethics. If that is not possible, read up on the subject, THOROUGHLY. I think you will eventually come to a different conclusion after learning something your parents/siblings/elders should have learned you already. If not, refer to the end of point 1.
Finis
P.S. Ad hominem's are in play here.
I have to wander if she would feel the same way if the guy woke up and offed himself the next dayover the deal.
Fact of the matter is there are people in this world that are very unstable. Something like this happening to them could easily push them over the edge and any number of things could happen.
What is more disturbing is the amount of hostility shown to the OP over her post from the "moral police" on this forum. My word, the levels of moral outrage and indignation shown by some of you borders on the psychotic!
Look, no one is defending the behavior of the scammer. All the OP was trying to do was put things in a bit of perspective and remind us what all of us should already know: there is more than one version/sides to a story. But no, your righteous indignation can not stand a bit of common sense and with pitchforks and torches in hand, you come on here to condemn her. What's sad is that you call the OP scum, immoral and spew vitriol at her... all in the name of proving what a good and virtous people you are. Hypocrisy at its worst.
Eve is a tough game. Scammers, griefers and other unsavory types exist. The old adage holds very true in Eve: if it sounds to good to be true, it probably isn't. Lessons learned and it looks like the person scammed has moved on... just like the rest of you should.
P.S. For those of you comparing this to rape victims and torture, please get some fucking perspective. It is an insult to rape/abuse victims for you to even make such a comparison. I am disgusted with you.
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