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You can divide MMO players into two types. Those that are prepared to stay in a MMO for a few to several months and those who will only stay for a few to several weeks.
The number who will stay for a few to several months is finite, they are spread over the several good MMOs out there. The ones who measure their time in weeks are always on the move and will not settle no matter how good the MMO is.
So building a playerbase and maintaining it in todays MMO market is a nearly impossible task.
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Originally posted by Ortwig Originally posted by Robsolf "Why don't more people play TSW?" Has that question been answered adequately? If not, what will it take?
Things to make it better:
I don't entirely disagree with the complaints; particularly 4...(I LOVE this genre. And when this game's launch performance made a beeline to meh-town, it broke my heart. If you forget combat, it does so many things so well...
But the things to make it better:
I don't think those things will significantly change how many people play this game. Sure, more of the right content will make people play more often. But pre-made decks, even if they're "20%" better than mine, which I consider to be pretty good, people will still be both frustrated and bored by combat.
Animations? not a big deal to me.
My system has zero problems running this game at a decent frame rate, and some core components are 5+ years old.
I don't care about PvP.
At the core, it's the combat system that's killing this game. Not so much the skill wheel, but the idea that encounters should last 30-60 seconds, and should occur every couple minutes/hundred meters. It would be poison to other MMO's, and in this game it's even worse.
I loved running around blasting zombies in the modern town of Kingsmouth. Then I got to zone 2 and, while the towns were cool, the desert felt a bit like another fantasy game. When I got to zone 3, I realized that I had to do more dungeon grinding of dungeons I had already played through multiple times in order to get better gear. I may go back, but I don't feel like facing that dungeon grind, especially since you have to wait so long to find a team.
After many, many years of playing P2P games or games which require me to purchase the box, I've come to the realization that P2P games are no better or worse than F2P games. They all have bugs, they generally have some form of item shop/micro transaction, they tend to be sporradic with their updates. If TSW went completely F2P (i.e. no box purchase required) then I'd download it and give it a go.
Game developers have burned the MMO community so many times that I no longer feel they deserve my money to open Beta test their game or to "just give them a little more time" to fix X, Y, and Z. If I play the game more than the first hour then I'll spend my money on XP boosts or cosmetics items. Otherwise I refuse to support bad game play and bad developers.
The questing is honestly too hard for me. I'm embarrassed to say it, but I'm just not clever enough for some of them. I genuinely enjoyed the game though. I went through the first couple zones and I think I even got to Egypt.
Great game...just wish I was a better gamer.
I am a very fussy MMO gamer , so because it hasn't a leveling system ( using numbers ) then I didn't bother when it came out. I would of otherwise as it looked really cool.
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Originally posted by SBFord Go to any forums for MMOs and you will eventually find people bemoaning the fact that every MMO out there is the same. Maybe they use words like “WoW clone” or “copycat” but the idea is always the same, there just isn’t enough variety in MMOs. And yes, the industry is filled with one fantasy game after another. But there are other games that get over looked. Whenever I see someone complaining all MMOs are the same I ask them, “What about The Secret World?” Read more of Shannon Doyle's The Secret World: Why Don't More People Play TSW?
For me...I need a game with owpvp...lots of it. TSW doesn't have that.
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Sadly, what drove me away from the game was more the people than the gameplay...
Certain members of the community there have a toxicity about them making the whole game unenjoyable. In addition to just some of the worst people I've encountered in an MMO in my entire life, there's also the thriving "YOU NEED X Y Z GEAR TO TALK TO ME" kind of groups and elitist attitude at the end game which makes it just a massive turn off.
I say these things as the guy who made the TSW site and guides in my signature. So I can say at one point, I was a massive fan of the game. But it doesn't take much for people to ruin things.
Hey TSW Players http://www.unfair.co/ for Mission guides, Lore Locations and stuff....
Originally posted by Abuz0r I stopped playing because of the oral sex scene in the first 5 minutes, I knew where this game was going. I don't need to watch video games for that... lol
There is very little sexual content in the game. I do agree that was a bit odd, only one faction got that starting scene btw.
Originally posted by Sigurd57 Sadly, what drove me away from the game was more the people than the gameplay... Certain members of the community there have a toxicity about them making the whole game unenjoyable. In addition to just some of the worst people I've encountered in an MMO in my entire life, there's also the thriving "YOU NEED X Y Z GEAR TO TALK TO ME" kind of groups and elitist attitude at the end game which makes it just a massive turn off. I say these things as the guy who made the TSW site and guides in my signature. So I can say at one point, I was a massive fan of the game. But it doesn't take much for people to ruin things.
While I don't play the endgame grind (just a few runs here and there occasionally), that's sadly true. I used to put those on ignore in my games with a note "elitist", but man, I've never filled my ignore list in games faster than in TSW...
Luckily the game itself is amazing and the endgame is just a boring grind anyways
(btw. unfair is a nice site )
Originally posted by Robsolf Originally posted by Ortwig Originally posted by Robsolf "Why don't more people play TSW?" Has that question been answered adequately? If not, what will it take?
You forgot 1 reason:
Boycotting EA. Why? They suck, even moreso since 2008.
I recently came back to the game, and it's been loads of fun, esp. the new stuff, and I always play w/ another person. It's loads more fun multiplayer. And to this day TSW is one of my fave games of all time.
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The Secret World is let down by it's gameplay and it's questing. It's got nice lore and puzzles, the graphics are good, not fantastic, but good. The sound design and music is also pretty and the community is alright. A few asshats here and there, but it's the internet, so what can you do? It also has some great diologue and creature design, so it's a compelling and interesting world with some top notch production value.
But the combat is just horrible. It's clunky and unresponsive. The guns and melee weapons lack impact and the lackluster animation doesn't help. Overall it looks and feels awkward. When leveling up it also occupies that strange place where you either destroy everything, or get completely get your ass kicked. But even when the difficulty hits the sweet spot, it isn't interesting. You dodge to the side, hit your rotation, the mob telegraphs an AOE you dodge to the side, hit a rotation.. and so on.
The questing is just your typical kill this, fetch this, click this. Although the tedium is hidden behind some great voice acting and good dialogue, the repitition begins to get to you.
All in all, the problems that the secret world has is very much typical of what wrong with a lot of MMORPGS. Some high production value, let down by dull and poorly executed gameplay and unimaginitive questing system. There are some issues with it but in the main these are the two reasons I will never pick it up again.