I wonder if technology becomes good enough and computers can somewhat realistically simulate human behavior in a game, would we even need mmorpg's?
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own. -- Herman Melville
You are right that the models were stiff, but I guess they had a more solid feeling to them. It's kind of like a modern car vs one that was all mechanical and made out of metal. One is solid, heavy, and lasts a long time. The other is fancy, gimmicky, but not quite as solid or strong.
The world definitely was important, but I also think it was interacting with the many people in the game at the same time. The only thing to do with other people in games now is usually combat grind in instances. You don't even see people half the time. I did like the old models in EQ of the different races though. They were blocky, but the ideas were there. I prefer the idea of how trolls, goblins, halfings, elves, half elves, humans, orges, orcs, and other races looked. Then again I'm a big fan of the art style in the hobbit cartoons. I'm not a huge fan of the style taken in the Lord of the Rings movies. I also read a lot of fantasy books when I was young. They had a lot of sterotypes for races and classes that made things feel more real. You will find those sterotypes thrown out the window in most cases these days. The race and class you choose doesn't mean a whole lot.
In addition is it just me or do people seem to be more interested in talking about game mechanics and how much money games are making/not making then weather then the actual games themselves?
Speaking of solid and heavy, probably the actual character/character collision helped to reinforce that feeling. Now everyone is a ghost that you can run through. That doesn't exactly help the realism. But then even collision is primitive in how it is currently done. Why not allow characters to try to 'push past' and 'squeeze between'? Well, probably because it would take a lot of new physics modeling and resources but then, that is exactly what gives use realism isn't it. Why shouldn't a halfling be able to sneak easily between a pair of ogres.
And perhaps it is time for more realistic body physics. Why should that halfling be able to stand toe to toe with an ogre in battle any more than a 6 year old would be able to challenge an nfl linebacker? And what if that ogre genuinely had no hope of casting a spell for lack of IQ but "he gud at braakin stuf"?
Originally posted by Kyleran With the way global warming is going, better go see the movie Waterworld for a preview into the future 50 years from now.
I was actually going to say something similar. With all the predictions about the near-total or complete economic collapse (one of the most recent by a NASA scientist) of the civilized world, and/or environmental devastation that could all happen within the next 15 to 20 years, I'm really not so sure I envy anyone who MIGHT be getting better games than I am. They might be lucky to have games at all.
Originally posted by Kyleran With the way global warming is going, better go see the movie Waterworld for a preview into the future 50 years from now.
I was actually going to say something similar. With all the predictions about the near-total or complete economic collapse (one of the most recent by a NASA scientist) of the civilized world, and/or environmental devastation that could all happen within the next 15 to 20 years, I'm really not so sure I envy anyone who MIGHT be getting better games than I am. They might be lucky to have games at all.
Don't the doomsday predictions ever get old? Just in my lifetime I've heard at least a dozen. Yet here we are talking about video games.
And NASA did not conduct that study, they funded it and now they're trying to distance themselves from it.
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own. -- Herman Melville
To be honost I really have no idea in what kind of gaming climate we life 50 years from now.
Perhaps we all have inplants, sort of like (Intelligence tv serie) Acces the internet just by thinking about it. Acces games the same way.
Perhaps we have some sort of VR glasses, but instead of the glasses being like they are today (Oculus Rift or Sony's version) they might be normal glasses when put on outside your whole city transforms into this fantasy or sci fi setting and you become your own character.
As stated in OP I wonder why people think the technology is there but isn't used? Gamedevelopers are dumb people?? Multimillion dollar gamecompany's are dumb? Not saying they always make the right decissions because every body messes up somewhere along the line.
Then I must asume since OP is that well knowing with technology that is available which games he has worked on?
Can you imagine what 50 years of Steam sale backlog looks like?
WTF don't scare me like that... Even now a small third world country doesn't have enough storage devices to download my whole library, I am already betting on Transhumanism to get me a longer life so I can actually play them all!!
While I full expect to live for at least the next 70 years (based on my average family genetics) I envy those who are going to be born 300-1000 years from now. I've already planned my cyro freezing for when my time comes, and I am fully prepared to accept all levels of transhumanism that comes my way. Right now the gaming world is dull and annoying...but one day...one day it'll be glorious.
People will not have to leave the game world. You'll be able to shop, walk your virtual dog, and fax your homework in to your virtual community college all from your home rig. Heck, you'll even be healthier because you are exercising on a rolling tredmill daily. Forums will read, "Do you miss the days you sat in a seat and gamed?"
Well, unless a one world government owns everything by then. Then you'll be putting a chip in your forehead and hand if you want to buy groceries and you will not be able to afford more than a pound of rice and a bowl of oats a week. The government will tell you they are out of money and you need to work harder to pay the national debt. This includes carbon credit tax because obviously your breathing is killing poodles in the savanna and shrinking the over all ecologic atmosphere to stifling proportions.
You think too small, OP. In 50 years, if we haven't wiped our whole species out being as stupid as we usually are, we might all have extended lifespans and you can play those games while yelling at the whippersnappers outside to get off your lawn.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
20 years = Full Bio feedback (Tactile, Smell & taste)
25 years = non-intrusive mental controls
30 years = General populace will finally accept "alternate" uses for bio-feedback & mental controls, and cybering is allowed, as long as minors can't participate.
50 Years = The new generation doesn't care about what minors do, as long as adults are not involved.
You have to open up your mind WAY beyond what is here now. 50 years ago having an "alternate" lifestyle meant you were ostracized by society, and what is around now is just amazing to anyone around even 10 years ago. I put up a mockup of what could happen, since no one is even remotely sure if we will survive the next decade. All it takes is one big war for technology to go back to sticks and stones.... meaning, next gen of simians to take over.
20 years = Full Bio feedback (Tactile, Smell & taste)
25 years = non-intrusive mental controls
30 years = General populace will finally accept "alternate" uses for bio-feedback & mental controls, and cybering is allowed, as long as minors can't participate.
50 Years = The new generation doesn't care about what minors do, as long as adults are not involved.
You have to open up your mind WAY beyond what is here now. 50 years ago having an "alternate" lifestyle meant you were ostracized by society, and what is around now is just amazing to anyone around even 10 years ago. I put up a mockup of what could happen, since no one is even remotely sure if we will survive the next decade. All it takes is one big war for technology to go back to sticks and stones.... meaning, next gen of simians to take over.
Not sure if serious with that scale. VR being king is at least 15 years off. Full holographics? 30+ years. Anything after? We blew ourselves back to the stoneage.
20 years = Full Bio feedback (Tactile, Smell & taste)
25 years = non-intrusive mental controls
30 years = General populace will finally accept "alternate" uses for bio-feedback & mental controls, and cybering is allowed, as long as minors can't participate.
50 Years = The new generation doesn't care about what minors do, as long as adults are not involved.
You have to open up your mind WAY beyond what is here now. 50 years ago having an "alternate" lifestyle meant you were ostracized by society, and what is around now is just amazing to anyone around even 10 years ago. I put up a mockup of what could happen, since no one is even remotely sure if we will survive the next decade. All it takes is one big war for technology to go back to sticks and stones.... meaning, next gen of simians to take over.
Not sure if serious with that scale. VR being king is at least 15 years off. Full holographics? 30+ years. Anything after? We blew ourselves back to the stoneage.
Oculus Rift is already bringing VR to the MMO world this year. And, if you haven't already seen it, Full 3D holograms are doing concerts all over the world... well, mainly Japan now with Miku. There are already smell & tactile feedback progress, and for the longest time, they have been working on mental control, to the point that they have a quadriplegic that can walk and pick up things in this mentally controlled bio-feedback suit. I just don't see it being affordable for the general populace until much further in the future... hence the 25+ years.
The "joke", which I am not sure of, are the last 2 entries. Since I am being overly optimistic that we can survive that long unless something "drastic" is done.
They won't have to wait a decade for one great online character progression game in a persistant world....And ....
50 years from now probably nobody will be alive on Earth, so i guess there is nothing to envy. :-)) Not even bacteria will be happy with nuklear winter or alike. To me it is impossible that mankind would not succeed to destroy all.
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There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own.
-- Herman Melville
The way things are looking.....
A society not much unlike Elysium might not be too far out of the question in 50 yrs.
Time for Mr Average Everyday Normal Guy to clear out some of them cob webs in that cranium.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
I envy those who will be born 500,000 years from now.
The only negative side I can think of is filling out the year in applications.
Speaking of solid and heavy, probably the actual character/character collision helped to reinforce that feeling. Now everyone is a ghost that you can run through. That doesn't exactly help the realism. But then even collision is primitive in how it is currently done. Why not allow characters to try to 'push past' and 'squeeze between'? Well, probably because it would take a lot of new physics modeling and resources but then, that is exactly what gives use realism isn't it. Why shouldn't a halfling be able to sneak easily between a pair of ogres.
And perhaps it is time for more realistic body physics. Why should that halfling be able to stand toe to toe with an ogre in battle any more than a 6 year old would be able to challenge an nfl linebacker? And what if that ogre genuinely had no hope of casting a spell for lack of IQ but "he gud at braakin stuf"?
All die, so die well.
I was actually going to say something similar. With all the predictions about the near-total or complete economic collapse (one of the most recent by a NASA scientist) of the civilized world, and/or environmental devastation that could all happen within the next 15 to 20 years, I'm really not so sure I envy anyone who MIGHT be getting better games than I am. They might be lucky to have games at all.
Don't the doomsday predictions ever get old? Just in my lifetime I've heard at least a dozen. Yet here we are talking about video games.
And NASA did not conduct that study, they funded it and now they're trying to distance themselves from it.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/nasa-distances-itself-doomsday-report-claiming-inevitable-collapse-civilisation-1441274
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own.
-- Herman Melville
Why 50 years from now.
To be honost I really have no idea in what kind of gaming climate we life 50 years from now.
Perhaps we all have inplants, sort of like (Intelligence tv serie) Acces the internet just by thinking about it. Acces games the same way.
Perhaps we have some sort of VR glasses, but instead of the glasses being like they are today (Oculus Rift or Sony's version) they might be normal glasses when put on outside your whole city transforms into this fantasy or sci fi setting and you become your own character.
As stated in OP I wonder why people think the technology is there but isn't used? Gamedevelopers are dumb people?? Multimillion dollar gamecompany's are dumb? Not saying they always make the right decissions because every body messes up somewhere along the line.
Then I must asume since OP is that well knowing with technology that is available which games he has worked on?
If the same thing happens with the gaming industry in the next 50 years, that has happened to the music industry in the last 50 years....
Count Me Out
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Can you imagine what 50 years of Steam sale backlog looks like?
50 years from now there won't be enough landmass to sustain the 30 billion people living on it. But I'm sure the video games will be amazing lol
There will be plenty of land mass to sustain the small bands of survivors after the apocalypse...
WTF don't scare me like that... Even now a small third world country doesn't have enough storage devices to download my whole library, I am already betting on Transhumanism to get me a longer life so I can actually play them all!!
This isn't a signature, you just think it is.
People will not have to leave the game world. You'll be able to shop, walk your virtual dog, and fax your homework in to your virtual community college all from your home rig. Heck, you'll even be healthier because you are exercising on a rolling tredmill daily. Forums will read, "Do you miss the days you sat in a seat and gamed?"
Well, unless a one world government owns everything by then. Then you'll be putting a chip in your forehead and hand if you want to buy groceries and you will not be able to afford more than a pound of rice and a bowl of oats a week. The government will tell you they are out of money and you need to work harder to pay the national debt. This includes carbon credit tax because obviously your breathing is killing poodles in the savanna and shrinking the over all ecologic atmosphere to stifling proportions.
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I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
1 year = sandboxes will reign
5 years = VR will be king
10 Years = Full holographics
20 years = Full Bio feedback (Tactile, Smell & taste)
25 years = non-intrusive mental controls
30 years = General populace will finally accept "alternate" uses for bio-feedback & mental controls, and cybering is allowed, as long as minors can't participate.
50 Years = The new generation doesn't care about what minors do, as long as adults are not involved.
You have to open up your mind WAY beyond what is here now. 50 years ago having an "alternate" lifestyle meant you were ostracized by society, and what is around now is just amazing to anyone around even 10 years ago. I put up a mockup of what could happen, since no one is even remotely sure if we will survive the next decade. All it takes is one big war for technology to go back to sticks and stones.... meaning, next gen of simians to take over.
Not sure if serious with that scale. VR being king is at least 15 years off. Full holographics? 30+ years. Anything after? We blew ourselves back to the stoneage.
Be the Ultimate Ninja! Play Billy Vs. SNAKEMAN today!
Oculus Rift is already bringing VR to the MMO world this year. And, if you haven't already seen it, Full 3D holograms are doing concerts all over the world... well, mainly Japan now with Miku. There are already smell & tactile feedback progress, and for the longest time, they have been working on mental control, to the point that they have a quadriplegic that can walk and pick up things in this mentally controlled bio-feedback suit. I just don't see it being affordable for the general populace until much further in the future... hence the 25+ years.
The "joke", which I am not sure of, are the last 2 entries. Since I am being overly optimistic that we can survive that long unless something "drastic" is done.
Now there's a well made game. Tho highly depressing, lol.
50 years from now probably nobody will be alive on Earth, so i guess there is nothing to envy. :-)) Not even bacteria will be happy with nuklear winter or alike. To me it is impossible that mankind would not succeed to destroy all.