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There will never be another GW2

coventryhagdogcoventryhagdog TaipeiPosts: 85Member

I mean that in the best way possible.

Financially, it has been anything but stellar. Economically it has been a loss.

The amazing amount of detail in this game is unsurpassed by anything, even some of the older games that have set precedents. 

As somebody who had been burnt out on WoW and every other derivative product under the sun I wasn't expecting anything and got more than a thousand hours out of this game.

 

What exactly do I mean? Graphical detail. Platforming elements. Size of game world, content, class diversity. The events that were delivered free of charge I took for granted. The awesome soundtrack (seriously? nobody appreciates the quality of the music?). The easter eggs strewn about the world...

If this game had released 10 years before it had, it would have received "one of the best games ever made" award, but.. it didn't.

 

Even though it did everything perfectly and on top of everything added something the MMO genre really needed like Platforming (and to a FAR lesser degree), Puzzle elements, it hasn't received its just deserts and has in recent time sort of gone the tried route of adding more incentives for people to spend money (yay ascended).

 

To summarize the above: There will not be another game of the same quality as GW2 that delivered the same amount of content updates without an initial sub.

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  • KyleranKyleran Paradise City, FLPosts: 21,750Member Epic

    Popcorn worthy thread, looking forward to the results.

    Needless to say I would disagree with a number of your points, but others will do a far better job than I.

     

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  • AeonbladesAeonblades Home, GAPosts: 2,083Member
    Originally posted by Kyleran

    Popcorn worthy thread, looking forward to the results.

    Needless to say I would disagree with a number of your points, but others will do a far better job than I.

     

    It really is. I'm not even going to touch this one either lol.

     

    Sometimes it's better to just let people be happy if they are happy.

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    Have played: You name it
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  • apocolusterapocoluster newport news, VAPosts: 1,324Member Uncommon
    I would be very confused if there was

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  • DocBrodyDocBrody EldridgePosts: 1,926Member Uncommon
    actually, it bored me to tears. Nice graphics, but somehow very shallow.
  • cheyanecheyane EarthPosts: 3,365Member Uncommon

    Lol Ky that is a worthy I am too lazy to reply in detail post. I agree there are others more invested that will. Gaia will be here soon.

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  • st3v3b0st3v3b0 Gainesville, FLPosts: 154Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by coventryhagdog

    Financially, it has been anything but stellar. Economically it has been a loss.

     

    You have absolutely no measurables to prove your (bad) theory.  If they were losing money on it they would pull the plug.  No company is going to willing run in the red or continue to develop a game that is losing money.  Your logic is fail.  Try again.

  • AeonbladesAeonblades Home, GAPosts: 2,083Member
    Originally posted by st3v3b0
    Originally posted by coventryhagdog

    Financially, it has been anything but stellar. Economically it has been a loss.

     

    You have absolutely no measurables to prove your (bad) theory.  If they were losing money on it they would pull the plug.  No company is going to willing run in the red or continue to develop a game that is losing money.  Your logic is fail.  Try again.

    Mortal Online and everything Funcom owns would like to have a word with you...

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  • cheyanecheyane EarthPosts: 3,365Member Uncommon

    If it is a successful model would NCSOFT not have adopted it for Wildstar ?

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  • hikaru77hikaru77 buenos airesPosts: 1,034Member Uncommon
    Dear OP is just your point of view, for really a insane amount of people GW2 was just a big disappointment. 
  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 9,333Member Epic
    Originally posted by cheyane

    If it is a successful model would NCSOFT not have adopted it for Wildstar ?

    Lineage has historically been there most popular and successful game, and it's subscription. Since it's their most successful model wouldn't they use that for all their games? It also has yet to be seen how WS will work as a subscription locked game.

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  • SirBalinSirBalin Joppa, MDPosts: 1,206Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by coventryhagdog

    I mean that in the best way possible.

    Financially, it has been anything but stellar. Economically it has been a loss.

    The amazing amount of detail in this game is unsurpassed by anything, even some of the older games that have set precedents. 

    As somebody who had been burnt out on WoW and every other derivative product under the sun I wasn't expecting anything and got more than a thousand hours out of this game.

     

    What exactly do I mean? Graphical detail. Platforming elements. Size of game world, content, class diversity. The events that were delivered free of charge I took for granted. The awesome soundtrack (seriously? nobody appreciates the quality of the music?). The easter eggs strewn about the world...

    If this game had released 10 years before it had, it would have received "one of the best games ever made" award, but.. it didn't.

     

    Even though it did everything perfectly and on top of everything added something the MMO genre really needed like Platforming (and to a FAR lesser degree), Puzzle elements, it hasn't received its just deserts and has in recent time sort of gone the tried route of adding more incentives for people to spend money (yay ascended).

     

    To summarize the above: There will not be another game of the same quality as GW2 that delivered the same amount of content updates without an initial sub.

    PS: ESO sucks and isn't half the game GW2 is, even sans sub.

     

     

     

     

     

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  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 9,333Member Epic
    Originally posted by Aeonblades
    Originally posted by st3v3b0
    Originally posted by coventryhagdog

    Financially, it has been anything but stellar. Economically it has been a loss.

    You have absolutely no measurables to prove your (bad) theory.  If they were losing money on it they would pull the plug.  No company is going to willing run in the red or continue to develop a game that is losing money.  Your logic is fail.  Try again.

    Mortal Online and everything Funcom owns would like to have a word with you...

    If NCSoft isn't making enough money on a game they will drop it in that region. That has been proven time and again by them. Lineage, successful in the East, shut down in the West. CoH, successful by all accounts, but not enough for NC so they shut it. If GW2 was anything but successful we would see a power struggle between NC and ANet.

    Also to say that GW2 isn't successful is puzzling. EVE is considered a great success and GW2 has pulled in half again as much revenue as EVE has in the last two years.

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  • AeonbladesAeonblades Home, GAPosts: 2,083Member
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by Aeonblades
    Originally posted by st3v3b0
    Originally posted by coventryhagdog

    Financially, it has been anything but stellar. Economically it has been a loss.

    You have absolutely no measurables to prove your (bad) theory.  If they were losing money on it they would pull the plug.  No company is going to willing run in the red or continue to develop a game that is losing money.  Your logic is fail.  Try again.

    Mortal Online and everything Funcom owns would like to have a word with you...

    If NCSoft isn't making enough money on a game they will drop it in that region. That has been proven time and again by them. Lineage, successful in the East, shut down in the West. CoH, successful by all accounts, but not enough for NC so they shut it. If GW2 was anything but successful we would see a power struggle between NC and ANet.

    Also to say that GW2 isn't successful is puzzling. EVE is considered a great success and GW2 has pulled in half again as much revenue as EVE has in the last two years.

    Sorry, I didn't mean to imply GW2 wasn't successful, it most definitely is. I was just saying there are companies out there that will keep a game open even in the red for a long time.

    Their goal was to make money with the cash shop, and that they did. I am looking forward to some of the changes coming that went against their first 2 years and cash grab style content. I have cautious optimism for the first time in a while about the long term future of the GW franchise. It makes me happy.

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    Have played: You name it
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  • Eir_SEir_S Argyle, NYPosts: 4,623Member Uncommon
    To the people arguing if GW2 is a.) successful, b.) a good game c.) the cure for cancer, 2012 called and it wants its petty arguments back.
  • strawhat0981strawhat0981 Phoenix, AZPosts: 969Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DocBrody
    actually, it bored me to tears. Nice graphics, but somehow very shallow.

    I agree with you so much. I think level 20 was as high as I could go without saying "this is boring".

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  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 9,333Member Epic
    Originally posted by Aeonblades
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by Aeonblades
    Originally posted by st3v3b0
    Originally posted by coventryhagdog

    Financially, it has been anything but stellar. Economically it has been a loss.

    You have absolutely no measurables to prove your (bad) theory.  If they were losing money on it they would pull the plug.  No company is going to willing run in the red or continue to develop a game that is losing money.  Your logic is fail.  Try again.

    Mortal Online and everything Funcom owns would like to have a word with you...

    If NCSoft isn't making enough money on a game they will drop it in that region. That has been proven time and again by them. Lineage, successful in the East, shut down in the West. CoH, successful by all accounts, but not enough for NC so they shut it. If GW2 was anything but successful we would see a power struggle between NC and ANet.

    Also to say that GW2 isn't successful is puzzling. EVE is considered a great success and GW2 has pulled in half again as much revenue as EVE has in the last two years.

    Sorry, I didn't mean to imply GW2 wasn't successful, it most definitely is. I was just saying there are companies out there that will keep a game open even in the red for a long time.

    Their goal was to make money with the cash shop, and that they did. I am looking forward to some of the changes coming that went against their first 2 years and cash grab style content. I have cautious optimism for the first time in a while about the long term future of the GW franchise. It makes me happy.

    I understand now. Thanks for clarifying. I'm hoping there will be more permanent content and not just Living Story. I liked some of the LS stuff, but I didn't like having to play and keep up or miss out. But that's for another topic I guess.

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  • ReklawReklaw Am.Posts: 6,495Member Uncommon

    That last sentence in OP ruined everything that was written above which was till that point fun to read.

     

  • An4thorAn4thor RomaPosts: 524Member
    Originally posted by Reklaw

    That last sentence in OP ruined everything that was written above which was till that point fun to read.

     

    Pretty much. I don't like ESO but these comments are rather sad :p

    And oh the haters! Always entertaining.

  • BeelzebobbieBeelzebobbie MalmöPosts: 430Member Uncommon

    I also love GW2 and I have spent over 1000hours in the game aswell.

    I think the game is perfect in so many ways that I can't play any other mmo at the moment but the one thing I think they have failed in is delivering an expansion. The game is screaming for new content, new class, profession, crafting, weapons and so on. If they can deliver this soon then the game will live on for a long time but if they try to wait out ESO, Wildstar, wow and other game releases then they might find themselves without players.

    Living Story is a great idea that gives players something to do all the time but they are not always a big sucess they really need to give us what we need, an expansion.

    I hope they release something soon cause I want to play this game for many more years if I can.

  • flizzerflizzer Manchester, NHPosts: 1,968Member Uncommon

    well, as people might know from my posting history I love GW2.  I continue to play almost every day and spend an inordinate amount of time in World v World.  Saying GW2 is not profitable, uhm, just seems odd.  Great changes also coming to the game in April update.   

     

    As far as ESO, I just don't know. I am an Elder Scrolls fan but plan to skip the Online version. I have followed the game via this site through video and commentary and it seems there is love and hate for it.  I , however, just dont see anything worth a box price, sub, and now a creeping cash shop in game.  I get to enjoy GW2 and only need to pay for character slots or vanity items or useless fluff really.   I'll stay here. 

  • ReehayReehay ftgdfgd, NVPosts: 172Member

    I will save this thread and ignore its obvious bait...

    we will now discuss the avatar of the OP... WHO CAN NAME HIM? and WHO HAS THE BEST AVATAR ON THESE FORUMS!??

  • Eir_SEir_S Argyle, NYPosts: 4,623Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Reehay

    I will save this thread and ignore its obvious bait...

    we will now discuss the avatar of the OP... WHO CAN NAME HIM? and WHO HAS THE BEST AVATAR ON THESE FORUMS!??

    That, my friend, is the Iron Sheik.  I believe he's passed on now.  I can't really answer the second question without further thought.

    EDIT: Misspelled sheik lol

  • flizzerflizzer Manchester, NHPosts: 1,968Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Eir_S
    Originally posted by Reehay

    I will save this thread and ignore its obvious bait...

    we will now discuss the avatar of the OP... WHO CAN NAME HIM? and WHO HAS THE BEST AVATAR ON THESE FORUMS!??

    That, my friend, is the Iron Sheik.  I believe he's passed on now.  I can't really answer the second question without further thought.

    EDIT: Misspelled sheik lol

    No more Iron Sheik?   He was so fun to hate.

  • Eir_SEir_S Argyle, NYPosts: 4,623Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by flizzer
    Originally posted by Eir_S
    Originally posted by Reehay

    I will save this thread and ignore its obvious bait...

    we will now discuss the avatar of the OP... WHO CAN NAME HIM? and WHO HAS THE BEST AVATAR ON THESE FORUMS!??

    That, my friend, is the Iron Sheik.  I believe he's passed on now.  I can't really answer the second question without further thought.

    EDIT: Misspelled sheik lol

    No more Iron Sheik?   He was so fun to hate.

    Yeah, along with Roddy Piper and Nickolai Volkov.  I love how American Wrestling's bad guys were so often "foreigners" lol

  • AmjocoAmjoco Layton, UTPosts: 4,829Member Uncommon
    Loved GW2 and put many hours into it. However, I wouldn't even think of comparing it to a game that hasn't even been released yet. To me that is a cry of fanboism beyond compare! If something is threatening you and your game, the first thing you do is swipe at it. It is showing a weakness op! I would pull that comment out. :)

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