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A Farewell To TESO

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  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAPosts: 18,460Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by NomadMorlock
    Originally posted by HoiPoloi

    Do you know who this guy is?  (Isarii).

    He is probably the single most prominent ESO community member.  I believe he is the main driving force behind the preeminent fan forum Tamriel Foundry.

    That he has abandoned the game after unselfishly sinking so much time is an incredible red flag.

    Wow!  Never thought I would see this happen.  Fascinating.

    Oh please.  He doesn't like the API changes so he's going to walk away.  Regardless of what he said in the post, he is bashing the game in an attempt to punish Zen for a decision he doesn't agree with.

     

    Personally I like that they locked down the API hard.  If he can't handle it, I wish him luck in  another game. 

     

     

    Pretty much this.

    And that goes back to my point of his opinion feeling like hubris.

    So if I drive a fan site, play the game for months and then comment (positivley or negatively) on information that everyone has, my opinion will have more weight?

    The only weight it gains is if I'm commenting on the beta experience itself. Not if a feature is good or bad.

    Originally posted by HabitualFrogStomp

    Anytime someone starts off their post by mentioning how prominent/important they are, what follows is going to suck.

    "insert clapping Orson Welles"

  • Moar61Moar61 Miramichi, NBPosts: 259Member
    Originally posted by LisaFlexy22
    This guy just got done writing a super positive review of the game on Tamriel foundry.  Bottom line is he is quitting because of the API decision and is making a huge post to draw attention to the horror (in his mind) of that decision.

    This. I'm on TF and I enjoy the site and most of the community, but once they gutted the API they took the biggest bitch fit I've ever seen. Props to ZOS for standing their ground. I don't want TES to look like every other mmo with nothing but numbers and UI.

  • calibekcalibek Pittsburgh, PAPosts: 155Member
    I played WAR for about 1 year. The constant battles and keep raids kept me entertained for a year so in my opinion it was money well spent on the game, even though we all know it's eventual fate. When it stopped being fun I cancelled my sub and left.

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  • VeCroweVeCrowe Murritea, CAPosts: 3Member
    Originally posted by TangentPoint

    Originally posted by ImprovV
    Originally posted by Pyuk
    That blog post pretty much reinforces all my gripes & predictions about ESO from day 1. Well thought out blog, imo, without sounding bitter. 

    He played the game for 9 months doing literally everything and reaching max rank after he got to 50. Must be a pretty damn good game.

    If he'd played less, someone would be saying "his opinion doesn't matter because he didn't play long enough" and/or "didn't see/do everything".

    Of course, the same thing is happening in either case. It's an attempt to dismiss or invalidate an opinion you don't like.

    Anyway, I find it sad that some of you have nothing better to do with your lives other than trying so damn hard to bring a game you dont like down.

    Why is someone voicing criticism/negative opinions of a game "bringing it down"? They tried the game, they didn't like it, they're discussing it.  It's an opinion. It's harmless.

    Better question is , why are you so over-sensitive and intolerant of opinions you don't agree with?

    I'm going to bet people like OP and countless others on these forums will continue to whine, trash, and post useless links to every single MMO that is going to come out up until the last day of your lives. 

    That's what forums are for. To discuss and share differing views on various games. If the article linked was complimentary, you'd probably be here praising it.

     

     

    ^^^^^^ THIS, eso fanboys are so predictable at this point tbh but what you posted is 100 percent right, to many wanna be actors here though
  • Teh_AxiTeh_Axi HalifaxPosts: 380Member
    RIP in piece TESO.
  • DaxamarDaxamar Green Cove Springs, FLPosts: 554Member

    They didnt gut the UI. They scaled down what you can and cannot see on other players. Theres still lots of add-ons that help you make the UI what you want it to look like.

    I think he just burnt out on ESO, personally. I hope I get 9 months out of ESO! LOL

  • ReeseFlamelocksReeseFlamelocks Barstow, CAPosts: 43Member

    The era of the "next big MMO" is over. WoW came at the right time and place when MMO releases were fewer and farther between. WoW is still alive purely based on nostalgia and time invested of a past MMO player-base. You play an MMO for a year and then leave for the next one. If ESO gives me a year, I'll be happy. No game is meant to be played forever.

    Besides that, the writer of that article was nit-picking fairly minute and insignificant points about the UI and payment structure. These factors rate pretty low on my scale of important issues.

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  • MyriaMyria Lowell, MAPosts: 570Member Uncommon

    So someone spends nine months helping to improve a game, build a community, working with the devs, and then eventually decides the end product isn't for them. They write a well written and surprisingly dispassionate explanation of their decision on their personal blog only to get trashed by a bunch of barely literate dullards who hang out on a site whose main claim to fame is hourly foaming mouthed screeds about how casuals/soloers/WoW/whatever "killed" MMOs?

     

    Classic.

     

    Even better, inevitably the bulk of those self-same dullards will be spending their time around here trashing the hell out of TESO in three months or less.

     

    This place is nothing if not rich in irony.

     

    I wish TESO well, as I do most games that come out -- the more choice the better. But anyone who thinks the devs are following a "vision" is delusional and anyone who can't see that the game is in for a rough start hasn't been paying attention.

     

    You can debate the API change 'til doomsday, and I agree that for him (and many others) that was clearly the straw that broke the camel's back, but many of the other things he brings up aren't really open for debate and are serious issues anyone hoping for the game's long term health should be paying attention to and be worried about.

  • MamasGunMamasGun SomewhereIn, FLPosts: 152Member

    It's an interesting "article" to read, for sure.

    However, ESO hasn't even had a proper launch yet.  So, to go all "Dear John" on it (and even to label the post "A Farewell to ESO") sounds like a creepy stalker saying they're breaking up with you when you weren't even dating.

    I also like how they said they weren't going to pay money for an inevitable F2P title.  I hate to say this, but I sincerely feel, at some point, every MMO will go F2P.  WoW may not, but they don't have to- they have their legions of fans that won't play anything but WoW.  I don't really see another MMO getting a core audience like that, as WoW was around when there weren't too many choices for MMO's.  Nowadays, though, there is literally an MMO for every kind of player.

    I'd love to see ESO do well.  I won't be playing it, but I see no reason why it won't find and captivate its targeted audience- even if this Johnny McNobody isn't gonna be playing it.

     

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  • AzmodeusAzmodeus MassachusettsPosts: 139Member Uncommon

    Give me a break!  This guy had/has a super large ego and thinks he is a special snowflake.  He cried non stop about a nerf to his class (Templar), was mad about API changes, and constantly deleted posts and chastised other users for not agreeing with his know it all ways.  

    Some of these people think that because they write a blog or are a member of a big guild that they are the epitamy of all mmo gamers. He felt he had to broadcast his sob story for the whole world to see and take a shot at ZoS at the same time.  Very lame if you ask me.  He rather play Swtor and minecraft instead of ESO if that tells you something.  Very very childlike.

     

     

      OMG I am Ancient!
  • PAL-18PAL-18 AnachronoxPosts: 802Member

    Dang you ESO,there should be news how you add new wonderful things to the game and not these how you remove features from allready thin feature list :(.

     

     

    So, did ESO have a successful launch? Yes, yes it did.
    By Ryan Getchell on April 02, 2014.
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  • HabitualFrogStompHabitualFrogStomp SydneyPosts: 281Member
    Originally posted by Myria

    So someone spends nine months helping to improve a game, build a community, working with the devs, and then eventually decides the end product isn't for them. They write a well written and surprisingly dispassionate explanation of their decision on their personal blog only to get trashed by a bunch of barely literate dullards who hang out on a site whose main claim to fame is hourly foaming mouthed screeds about how casuals/soloers/WoW/whatever "killed" MMOs?

     

    Classic.

     

    Even better, inevitably the bulk of those self-same dullards will be spending their time around here trashing the hell out of TESO in three months or less.

     

    This place is nothing if not rich in irony.

     

    I wish TESO well, as I do most games that come out -- the more choice the better. But anyone who thinks the devs are following a "vision" is delusional and anyone who can't see that the game is in for a rough start hasn't been paying attention.

     

    You can debate the API change 'til doomsday, and I agree that for him (and many others) that was clearly the straw that broke the camel's back, but many of the other things he brings up aren't really open for debate and are serious issues anyone hoping for the game's long term health should be paying attention to and be worried about.

    When you make your opinion known on the internet, prepare for it to get trashed, sorry if that hurts your feelings. Also, not many are really "trashing" them, more like saying he doesnt bring any new points to the table and he started disliking the game the minute API changes went into effect. Which in itself is a pretty weak argument for anything. Apparently it is entirely open to debate because there's just as many people who disagree with what he's saying as agree.

    If everyone here were idiots in your opinion you wouldnt get so butt hurt over what is said. But here you are...whinging like a wounded mule. No big surprises here.

  • AeonbladesAeonblades Home, GAPosts: 2,083Member
    Originally posted by spizz

    The author of this text is a long term beta tester (if I remember correct 9+ months) and did level up several characters to LVL 50 already. He was aswell a moderator at the tamrielfoundry forums.

     

    http://errantpenman.wordpress.com/2014/03/22/a-farewell-to-teso/

    Cool, someone who thinks we should care about his opinion. Guess what, no one cares random dude who didn't get his way, no one cares.

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  • GregorMcgregorGregorMcgregor FalkirkPosts: 222Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Azmodeus

    Give me a break!  This guy had/has a super large ego and thinks he is a special snowflake.  He cried non stop about a nerf to his class (Templar), was mad about API changes, and constantly deleted posts and chastised other users for not agreeing with his know it all ways.  

    Some of these people think that because they write a blog or are a member of a big guild that they are the epitamy of all mmo gamers. He felt he had to broadcast his sob story for the whole world to see and take a shot at ZoS at the same time.  Very lame if you ask me.  He rather play Swtor and minecraft instead of ESO if that tells you something.  Very very childlike.

     

     

    Agreed. The blog guy threw out his dummy.

    Tbh it's getting old, like the "I quit!" posts on swtor's forums all them months ago.

    If your unhappy, leave, don't play... We do not care! We'll plod along having fun.

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  • DaxamarDaxamar Green Cove Springs, FLPosts: 554Member
    Originally posted by Aeonblades
    Originally posted by spizz

    The author of this text is a long term beta tester (if I remember correct 9+ months) and did level up several characters to LVL 50 already. He was aswell a moderator at the tamrielfoundry forums.

     

    http://errantpenman.wordpress.com/2014/03/22/a-farewell-to-teso/

    Cool, someone who thinks we should care about his opinion. Guess what, no one cares random dude who didn't get his way, no one cares.

    Yet here we are. 17 pages of threads on a guy no one cares for. GG

  • IfrianMMOIfrianMMO BarcelonaPosts: 212Member

    So let me get this straight.

     

    When the beta-tester has played for a short amount of time:

    -Your negative review is invalid and makes no sense, you did not play enough to have a real and solid opinion about the state of the game and thus yours is pointless whining.

     

    When the beta tester has played for a long time and is a veteran:

    -Your negative review is invalid and makes no sense,  you played too long so it means the game was good so you do not have a real or solid opinion about the state of the game and yours is just being burnt and rumphurt.

     

    O....k.......

     

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  • AeonbladesAeonblades Home, GAPosts: 2,083Member
    Originally posted by Daxamar
    Originally posted by Aeonblades
    Originally posted by spizz

    The author of this text is a long term beta tester (if I remember correct 9+ months) and did level up several characters to LVL 50 already. He was aswell a moderator at the tamrielfoundry forums.

     

    http://errantpenman.wordpress.com/2014/03/22/a-farewell-to-teso/

    Cool, someone who thinks we should care about his opinion. Guess what, no one cares random dude who didn't get his way, no one cares.

    Yet here we are. 17 pages of threads on a guy no one cares for. GG

    What does that have to do with anything? It's just funny laughing at people who think they are important.

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  • AratakiArataki Chicago, ILPosts: 239Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by HabitualFrogStomp
    Originally posted by LisaFlexy22
    This guy just got done writing a super positive review of the game on Tamriel foundry.  Bottom line is he is quitting because of the API decision and is making a huge post to draw attention to the horror (in his mind) of that decision.

    Exactly. I admit I went back after my initial post and skim read through the bulk of it, this seems to be the gripe? Can taking an established stance on this be considered flip flopping? Just because something was allowed in beta for test purposes, doesnt mean its going to ultimately make it to live, one would think this goes without saying for anything in the beta. In short, dont get too attached to what you see because it is after all, a testing environment.

    He probably thought his ability to WTFBBQPWN in the game had been somewhat dimished by the lack of API support. The game is going in a different direction, suck it up.

    All in all it seems to be more of a philosophical disagreement or some perceived master plan (or lack thereof) that seems to be the driving point behind his post. Out one side of his mouth he basically claims Zenimax has no idea what the hell they're doing, and out the other that they're already priming the game to go F2P with some ominous racketeering design. It can hardly be both at the same damn time.

    Anytime someone starts off their post by mentioning how prominent/important they are, what follows is going to suck.

    It's not flip flopping. I'm almost 100% certain we all knew the unlimited powah of the API as it was in beta wasn't staying. They said so at least a few months ago. Granted, it took way longer for them to scale back than I personally thought they would, but I guess some were convinced the scale back wouldn't be as dramatic or the long delay meant they changed their minds and wouldn't scale back at all.

    Turns out they didn't change their mind. And stuck to it all along. QQ commences.

    If you want a summary of what a lot of the ER folks feel about the API changes, look at Golden Tiger's post on here. Taking away the ability to tell exactly how much magicka, stamina, hp, buffs, etc an enemy play has = no PvP. For some reason.

  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko RotterdamPosts: 3,845Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by HoiPoloi

    Do you know who this guy is?  (Isarii).

    He is probably the single most prominent ESO community member.  I believe he is the main driving force behind the preeminent fan forum Tamriel Foundry.

    That he has abandoned the game after unselfishly sinking so much time is an incredible red flag.

    Wow!  Never thought I would see this happen.  Fascinating.

    Actually, to see someone like isarii crying about the ESO devs "not listening to the wise words of Tamrielfoundry" fills me with hope for the future of the game.

     

    It shows that the devs ARE staying true to their own vision, and are not being swayed by small power-groups who believe that they are "special" and should be the ones dictating the development decisions for the masses.

     

     

     

     

  • AeonbladesAeonblades Home, GAPosts: 2,083Member
    Originally posted by Arataki

    It's not flip flopping. I'm almost 100% certain we all knew the unlimited powah of the API as it was in beta wasn't staying. They said so at least a few months ago. Granted, it took way longer for them to scale back than I personally thought they would, but I guess some were convinced the scale back wouldn't be as dramatic or the long delay meant they changed their minds and wouldn't scale back at all.

    Turns out they didn't change their mind. And stuck to it all along. QQ commences.

    If you want a summary of what a lot of the ER folks feel about the API changes, look at Golden Tiger's post on here. Taking away the ability to tell exactly how much magicka, stamina, hp, buffs, etc an enemy play has = no PvP. For some reason.

    Sounds like some people are upset they don't get to cheat anymore. That makes his tears even more glorious.

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  • SirBalinSirBalin Joppa, MDPosts: 1,150Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    As has been the history of these boards for years now, it will be interesting to see 1-2 months post launch, how many fans who are giving the bug issue a pass in beta, start complaining how broken the game is and how unacceptable all these bugs are. It may be true that all software has bugs, but MMOs do not have player bases that are patient when it comes to waiting for them to be fixed. 

    While the super fan turning rabid hater is often a tale we see. I think a distinction has to be made about bugs here, there are bugs: minor annoyances, then there are BUGS: multiple quests won't work... If people are leaving over that in two months, who could blame em?

    Last beta I came across 7 bugged quests.  The other day they brought the servers up to test the overflow servers, at that time none of the quests were bugged...let the game launch...

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  • DaxamarDaxamar Green Cove Springs, FLPosts: 554Member
    Originally posted by Aeonblades
    Originally posted by Daxamar
    Originally posted by Aeonblades
    Originally posted by spizz

    The author of this text is a long term beta tester (if I remember correct 9+ months) and did level up several characters to LVL 50 already. He was aswell a moderator at the tamrielfoundry forums.

     

    http://errantpenman.wordpress.com/2014/03/22/a-farewell-to-teso/

    Cool, someone who thinks we should care about his opinion. Guess what, no one cares random dude who didn't get his way, no one cares.

    Yet here we are. 17 pages of threads on a guy no one cares for. GG

    What does that have to do with anything? It's just funny laughing at people who think they are important.

    I find it funny that theres so many post on this. I think he did hes job. If he wanted to get attention, hes got it.

  • VoiidiinVoiidiin Barrow, AKPosts: 817Member
    Originally posted by Sovrath
    Originally posted by NomadMorlock
    Originally posted by HoiPoloi

    Do you know who this guy is?  (Isarii).

    He is probably the single most prominent ESO community member.  I believe he is the main driving force behind the preeminent fan forum Tamriel Foundry.

    That he has abandoned the game after unselfishly sinking so much time is an incredible red flag.

    Wow!  Never thought I would see this happen.  Fascinating.

    Oh please.  He doesn't like the API changes so he's going to walk away.  Regardless of what he said in the post, he is bashing the game in an attempt to punish Zen for a decision he doesn't agree with.

     

    Personally I like that they locked down the API hard.  If he can't handle it, I wish him luck in  another game. 

     

     

    Pretty much this.

    And that goes back to my point of his opinion feeling like hubris.

    So if I drive a fan site, play the game for months and then comment (positivley or negatively) on information that everyone has, my opinion will have more weight?

    The only weight it gains is if I'm commenting on the beta experience itself. Not if a feature is good or bad.

    Originally posted by HabitualFrogStomp

    Anytime someone starts off their post by mentioning how prominent/important they are, what follows is going to suck.

    "insert clapping Orson Welles"

    LOL thank you Sovrath, you always seems to say just what i am thinking but get it out before i do, but yes i totally agree.

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  • DEAD.lineDEAD.line LisbonPosts: 424Member
    Originally posted by ReeseFlamelocks

    The era of the "next big MMO" is over. WoW came at the right time and place when MMO releases were fewer and farther between. WoW is still alive purely based on nostalgia and time invested of a past MMO player-base. You play an MMO for a year and then leave for the next one. If ESO gives me a year, I'll be happy. No game is meant to be played forever.

    Then it shouldn't be P2P. Buy and dump themepark mmos are perfectly fine for many like me. But if the the game's just meant to be played for some months and put aside only to be touched on rare occasions, i don't see a reason to pay for game time when all that matters is the box content.

    EDIT: Of course no game's meant to be played "forever", but if all i wanted was a game to play and dump, i'd settle for SP. Much more value, quality and cheaper. But like i said, meh, themeparks.

  • AeonbladesAeonblades Home, GAPosts: 2,083Member
    Originally posted by Daxamar
    Originally posted by Aeonblades
    Originally posted by Daxamar
    Originally posted by Aeonblades
    Originally posted by spizz

    The author of this text is a long term beta tester (if I remember correct 9+ months) and did level up several characters to LVL 50 already. He was aswell a moderator at the tamrielfoundry forums.

     

    http://errantpenman.wordpress.com/2014/03/22/a-farewell-to-teso/

    Cool, someone who thinks we should care about his opinion. Guess what, no one cares random dude who didn't get his way, no one cares.

    Yet here we are. 17 pages of threads on a guy no one cares for. GG

    What does that have to do with anything? It's just funny laughing at people who think they are important.

    I find it funny that theres so many post on this. I think he did hes job. If he wanted to get attention, hes got it.

    True, to some people it's better to be known as a dillwad than forgotten I guess.

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