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[Column] The Secret World: Why Don't More People Play TSW?

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  • NetspookNetspook OsloPosts: 1,503Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Po_gg
    Originally posted by Netspook

    Ok, after my last post in this thread, I decided to try out the game once more, haven't played it since June.

    It's worse than I remembered. Piss poor combat system, poorly designed quest hubs, a LOT of running back and forth, and so on.

    Some issues about the quest hubs:

    • Quests are available, but can't be accepted until you've finished some other first
    • Only 1 main quest active, meaning others you have will be paused.
    • Quest givers won't give you all quests at once, but wont' hesitate to send you to same locations. Over and over again...
    • etc.

    If I could permantly delete games from Steam, this one would be the first to go.

    Edit: typo

    "Quest hubs"? The game is out since almost 2 years (if counting betas), and still, quest hubs? Lol.

    That's maybe one of the best feature story-wise, but I don't even go there, it was addressed way too many times since launch.

     

     

    "LET the quests give you a tour of the zone. Your tour will be different from other player's because you're making different choices.

    If you find yourself running back to a hub to grab the next quest from that hub, you're doing it wrong." (from Yokai's blog)

     

    Not sure exactly what you mean with your comment about the quest hubs, but they're definitively there, if that's what you're arguing against. Or what else would you call a group of NPCs offering quests?

    Considering that a lot of quests DOES send you back to the SAME locations, and often ONLY after you've done the first quests (hence my running back and forth comment), the "you're doing it wrong" part is just nonsense.

  • hfamgamerhfamgamer Klamath Falls, ORPosts: 57Member

    The only reason I'm not playing TSW is it doesn't like my current system

    Acer

           System Model: Aspire X3400G

                   BIOS: Default System BIOS

              Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) II X2 255 Processor (2 CPUs), ~3.1GHz

                 Memory: 8192MB RAM

    Available OS Memory: 7936MB RAM

              Page File: 1351MB used, 14516MB available

            Windows Dir: C:Windows

        DirectX Version: DirectX 11

    NVIDIA GeForce 9200  

           Manufacturer: NVIDIA

              Chip type: GeForce 9200

               DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC

    Then again not many games do like this system :(

  • leoo88556leoo88556 TaipeiPosts: 135Member

    I've played TSW a while ago and loved it. They have the best quest writing I've EVER seen, on top of that the world is so beautiful and mysterious. It's definitely one of the best MMORPG out there.

    But I don't know... the game just doesn't feel... right... to me. I think one of the biggest problems I had was with the animation. This normally it doesn't bother me that much in MMOs as I understand there are restrictions when a game need to show so many players on your screen at once, but in TSW the running, interacting and combat animation is just soooo immersion breaking that I kept frowning from time to time. Maybe there's some technical problem with it that the can't solve? Still I probably would never have left this game if they could find a way to make my character feel less like a poor puppet on strings.

  • SBE1SBE1 New York, NYPosts: 335Member
    I refuse to play a game made by Funcom after being swindled into buying Age of Conan.
  • JDogg126JDogg126 Southeast, MIPosts: 44Member

    The Secret World is definitely a game that I highly encourage everyone to play.  I have a lifetime subscription to the game but I don't play it anymore because I feel like I have essentially beaten the game but that story is so incredible it is worth playing through.  

    Seriously the story of this game is fantastic and I loved it all the way to the amazing ending.  I feel like I beat the game because by the time the first content update came out, I had already completed every quest in the game, enjoyed the amazing story, and did all the dungeons.  Going back to lower level zones to get a few quests here and there just wasn't the same experience as going through it all the first time.  But that first run through the initial game content is so worth it.

     
  • aRtFuLThinGaRtFuLThinG MelbournePosts: 1,133Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Betaguy
    Three  words, EVERYTHING FEELS CLUNKY.

    QFT

    It is really not up to the pair, especially considering that this is the company that came up with innovative things such as the nano system in AO and the combat system in AoC.

    It feels more like an RPG storybook than an MMO.

  • DoushiDoushi TamperePosts: 96Member

    I loved the world the stories in it, but it felt like I was playing with a Marionette puppets, so silly and clunky.

    and I had minor performance issues with it.

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  • jusomdudejusomdude Somewhere, KSPosts: 2,401Member
    Is this like pity Funcom week or something? Second MMORPG staff thread about their games not doing well.
  • EluwienEluwien EspooPosts: 166Member
    The first thread ever in the existence of internet in which the 1st poster states everything relevant in 3 words and ends the conversation right there and then.

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  • AlalalaAlalala Gabrielston, SCPosts: 311Member

    People should give it a try.  It can be a lot of fun for solo or group through the standard content.  The music, quests, skill system, and atmosphere are superb.  On top of that, it can be played for free.  The combat, however, is a bore.  The other turn-off are some bugs and broken quests, as well as quests that are very difficult to solve.  All too quickly you will be TSW quest-helper web sites and that gets in the way of game enjoyment.

    tl;dr:  Whole is not greater, or even equal to the sum, of the pieces.  Combat sux. 

  • TuchakaTuchaka san diego, CAPosts: 468Member
    Horrible combat ......is why. Combat is a massive part of any MMO there is no workout around for that
  • Shana77Shana77 UtrechtPosts: 207Member

    There used to be an old saying, gameplay is king. And my feeling with this game immediatly, even before i started reading about it from others was that the gameplay (animations and combat) just didn't feel right. There are tons of games in history with amazing graphics, awesome storylines and inspiring settings that have been totally forgettable because of horrible combat. Character creation was also horrible and the lack of chatbubbles killed the community feeling.

    What made matters worste was that Guild Wars 2 was launched shortly after and that game had arguably the most solid and fluid combat system ever seen. Many gamers I knew that played the secret world got invites to GW2 betas and never looked back, zombies or not.  

  • RaysheRayshe London, ONPosts: 1,284Member

    TSW and i have a Abusive relationship, I love TSW and everything about it, but it keeps hurting me. When it hurts me, a month later i come crawling back. The combat everyone complains about is something i've never really noticed. MY personal feelings as to why the game never took off like it deserved to was because it came out of the start with a gimp leg, im not even talking about the chat system or some of the animations that were changed. The hatred of funcom killed their numbers out of the gate. The reason why there were layoffs was because all the anti funcom players killed it before it even got released.

     

    So why don't people give funcom a chance: They are butt hurt over conan.

     

    The only negitive thing i see about funcom that is their own bloody fault is their spegetti code. Funcom has the best ideas in the industry, however they also probubly have some of the sloppiest programers aswell.

    Because i can.
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    Logic every gamers worst enemy.

  • CromicaCromica West Fargo, NDPosts: 657Member Uncommon
    There was nothing about it that I really enjoyed.
  • DeivosDeivos Mountain View, CAPosts: 1,737Member Uncommon

    Was this an advert?

     

    The major reason people wouldn't play TSW is because fundamentally is is not that different from most other MMOs. The skill wheel offers difference in aesthetics more than any practical application to gameplay, as it's far from the first game or MMO to let you flexibly train and use skills with multiple old ones out there offering considerably more mix and match flexibility.

     

    The gameplay being the next reason. The story isn't that good. The setting is different than average, yes, but the myths and mysteries aspect is not well implemented and the puzzles are for the most part not so much of puzzles as they are a simple semi-lore quiz. The combat may be the biggest failure as it draws on a small pool of effects to play out the entire range of fighting, and relies on the same old tab and lock combat system as always with some of the most underwhelming weapon performances.

     

    There are many other reasons, but as I'm not the one writing the articles here, I'll say it more simply. The fact of why more people don't play TSW is because it very simply is not that good of a game.

    It appeals to a niche group that will happily overlook and dismiss the glaring issues because they enjoy the setting or some other finite aspect of the game enough that the rest of the problems just don't matter enough to drive them away.

     

    Using straw men arguments to fill articles does not change that reality.

    "The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners."
    - Thomas B. Macaulay

  • MaquiameMaquiame Posts: 794Member Uncommon

    Its too goddamned small. I just can't stand the so tight world. Not to mention there really isn't anything to group up for except for dungeons. This game should have been group focused with a more traditional mmo fighting system. By trying to go action you alienated the audience that would have appreciated this game.

    This game really could have been a horror GTA which would have been awesome, but it isn't. It feels like you are playing in a bunch of themed shoeboxes. Hell if the world was at least as big as City of Heroes or even DC Online it would have been tolerable. But ti isn't and last I hear Japan is delayed.

    Funcom stop making instanced shoebox mmos please. Cryptic made a bigger world than you did on a smaller budget I'm sure. Please stop with the tiny worlds already. You have great enough designs to make things like fighting and other things vanilla. People would have not minded if you had a traditional mmo fighting system and your game was more group focused with the same great story, quests and voice acting. You honestly (as always) tried to do too much at once.

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    Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!

  • BjelarBjelar RullumpPosts: 384Member

    I like the game, but I can`t play it right now.

    My desktop broke down and I bought a high end gaming laptop to replace it.

    I can run every game well on this, but TSW NOW FEELS CLUNKY!!!!

     

    I never could understand this critisism before, while playing it on my desktop. No game had as fluent and responsive combat. But now I do understand. I am absolutely convinced that at least a huge part of the "clunky"-critisism comes from people playing the game on hardware that for some strange reason can`t run TSW well. I am no expert, and simply don`t know what is wrong.

    My laptop SHOULD be able to run the game as well as my old desktop, but it certainly doesn`t.

  • docminus2docminus2 StockholmPosts: 158Member Common
    Originally posted by Talmien

    I stopped playing because it really isn't that different. It might be a different setting, but its still a quest hub themepark. That's not to say I have anything against quest hub themeparks, it just the TSW doesn't do it very well. The quest were generic, except for the puzzle ones, and usually those were so challenging it was frustrating rather than fun. Also all the monsters, while wearing different skins, usually fought in the same manner, get in your face and kill you. Making them all feel the same.

     

    And I have to disagree on the character customization, its more of an extremely limited customization. I kept coming up with builds on characters I wanted to make, but it always went over the limit on the number of skill and passive slots I had. So the character I felt always seemed to be some limited version of what I actually wanted my character to be.

     

     

    You basically summed up my thoughts. Thanks. 

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  • Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Den HelderPosts: 9,064Member Uncommon

    Actually there is a single reason i stopped..

     

    Combat sucks... Its not fun... because of how their skills work ..

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  • SacriaSacria naPosts: 53Member

    because its aweful

     

  • docminus2docminus2 StockholmPosts: 158Member Common
    Originally posted by Bjelar

    ..... I bought a high end gaming laptop to replace it.

    I can run every game well on this, but TSW NOW FEELS CLUNKY!!!!

    I never could understand this critisism before, while playing it on my desktop. No game had as fluent and responsive combat. But now I do understand. I am absolutely convinced that at least a huge part of the "clunky"-critisism comes from people playing the game on hardware that for some strange reason can`t run TSW well. I am no expert, and simply don`t know what is wrong.

    My laptop SHOULD be able to run the game as well as my old desktop, but it certainly doesn`t.

     

    A bit off-topic answer:

    I think it depends on your GPU chip - most "high-end" laptop chip e.g. don't have same amount of shaders or clocking speed as desktop equiv, even nowadays. I have the same with my laptop, despite a gaming chip & external screen, it's not the same as on desktop even if there are games I don't see a difference, but for some I do, e.g. Skyrim. Guess it has to do how/which  graphics-engine is used/how it is used by the developers.

    Also, my laptop has 2 chips, Intel & AMD. At first, not all games for some reason switched to the AMD unit... Now I just have it as standard GPU...

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  • HasturxiiiHasturxiii bethpage, NYPosts: 2Member
    The story is great, cutscenes are great, atomosphere is great. As someone who has played since release, however, the community is terrible and the combat and actual gameplay is very.... clunky and boring.
  • aSynchroaSynchro azeaze, AKPosts: 176Member Uncommon

    I really wanted to like this game, but they made the mistake of creating a themepark instead of a coherent world. The 3 (or 4?) zones feel too much like a setup for a spooky point & click adventure that you explore only once.

    After the release they added a theatre for players to play their own stuff. That was an amazing idea but sadly, too small. They should have that for the whole game instead: a spooky world with lots of space for players to create their own adventures !

     
  • alx12345alx12345 fdf, MIPosts: 39Member
    The problem is that the pvp is one of the worst, and its dead, and lack of end game content. But it has some of the best leveling experience in mmo
     
  • TorvacTorvac KarlsruhePosts: 124Member Uncommon

    - its fc, lazy lying bastards

    - without doubt the best quests you will ever get in any mmo to date

    - it is required to change your deck/build a lot, but the gearmanager is still broken most of the time (e.g. forgets to change your weapons sometimes and stuff)

    - NO advanced tutorials anywhere in the game, you wil still see people with shitty noob abilities/skills in endgame dungeons

    - combat and rotations get interesting once you know about skills and synergys between weapons and passive skills, theres nothing ingame that tells you about that. i was gone for a year and had to relearn everything again

    - 500 skills but really only ~100 different ones, rest is same shit in different color

    - healing is confusing for people coming from other games, no healer quests or tutorials 

    - animations really suck balls, ofc FC promised 1 year before release "they are temp and they were working on better ..." - i actually asked about that at gamescom when they showed the game 1st time (2010 or 2011 i think). tho rest of the gfx is top if you have a strong gfx card

    - endgame gearing is random (scenarios & nyc loot) , HEAVY grinding required to get by

    - no lead from normal questing to endgame nightmare dungeons and raids at all

    - you really need a mouse with at least 8 buttons to play this game

    Still my favorite quest line:  The League of Monster Slayers

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Umhy8vILHDg

     
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