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  • KnotwoodKnotwood Missoula, MTPosts: 1,103Member
    Originally posted by Rhazmuz

    But cant we put legendary enchantments on dropped gear?

    The crux of the "dropped better than crafted" debate, is wheter the set bonuses which can only be gained on the dropped gear is better than the ones we can get on our crafted gear. Everything beyond that is equal right, seeing as enchants can be applied to all items, and dropped gear can come with the same traits as crafted gear?

    NO you cannot put enchamtents on dropped gear that has the embedded enchaments on them.   This is what Paul Sage said yesterday....

    He told the guy that you cannot upgrade the drop gear because its got the embedded enchant on it, which makes drops gear stand out (unique).

     

    You get the drop and the enchantment on that drop gear is the Embeded enchant, then you have to get a crafter to upgrade the gear to legendary.

  • greenreengreenreen Punchoo, AKPosts: 2,101Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Knotwood
    Originally posted by Rhazmuz

    But cant we put legendary enchantments on dropped gear?

    The crux of the "dropped better than crafted" debate, is wheter the set bonuses which can only be gained on the dropped gear is better than the ones we can get on our crafted gear. Everything beyond that is equal right, seeing as enchants can be applied to all items, and dropped gear can come with the same traits as crafted gear?

    NO you cannot put enchamtents on dropped gear that has the embedded enchaments on them.   This is what Paul Sage said yesterday....

    He told the guy that you cannot upgrade the drop gear because its got the embedded enchant on it, which makes drops gear stand out (unique).

     

    You get the drop and the enchantment on that drop gear is the Embeded enchant, then you have to get a crafter to upgrade the gear to legendary.

    I can confirm that on some dropped gear it doesn't have the enchant option when you right click it and have an enchantment of that item type in inventory. That one I did see on some dropped gear. It wasn't post 50 gear so someone there has to comment on those types.

  • ThorbrandThorbrand West Palm Beach, FLPosts: 1,198Member
    Legends are only crafted even you raid gear can only be upgraded to legends through crafting. Best gear should always be crafted only in every game.
  • KnotwoodKnotwood Missoula, MTPosts: 1,103Member
    Originally posted by greenreen
    Originally posted by Knotwood
    Originally posted by Rhazmuz

    But cant we put legendary enchantments on dropped gear?

    The crux of the "dropped better than crafted" debate, is wheter the set bonuses which can only be gained on the dropped gear is better than the ones we can get on our crafted gear. Everything beyond that is equal right, seeing as enchants can be applied to all items, and dropped gear can come with the same traits as crafted gear?

    NO you cannot put enchamtents on dropped gear that has the embedded enchaments on them.   This is what Paul Sage said yesterday....

    He told the guy that you cannot upgrade the drop gear because its got the embedded enchant on it, which makes drops gear stand out (unique).

     

    You get the drop and the enchantment on that drop gear is the Embeded enchant, then you have to get a crafter to upgrade the gear to legendary.

    I can confirm that on some dropped gear it doesn't have the enchant option when you right click it and have an enchantment of that item type in inventory. That one I did see on some dropped gear. It wasn't post 50 gear so someone there has to comment on those types.

    This is actually why Pual Sage wanted to say Enchanters were going to be the most lucrative craft.   Its because the blacksmith or tailor makes the end game quality gear, and then the enchanter can put a legendary enchantment on it, making it as powerful as any raid drop gear.

    Thus the reason they said, crafters can make the best gear in game and make gear better.

     

    Look at it this way, the blacksmith and Tailore make the the RING (best end game gear without an enchant), and the Enchanter puts the GEMSTONE (the legendary enchant) in it.   Giving you that DIAMOND RING,(best end game gear)

  • Kevyne-ShandrisKevyne-Shandris Hephzibah, GAPosts: 1,946Member
    Originally posted by Knotwood
    Originally posted by Rhazmuz

    But cant we put legendary enchantments on dropped gear?

    The crux of the "dropped better than crafted" debate, is wheter the set bonuses which can only be gained on the dropped gear is better than the ones we can get on our crafted gear. Everything beyond that is equal right, seeing as enchants can be applied to all items, and dropped gear can come with the same traits as crafted gear?

    NO you cannot put enchamtents on dropped gear that has the embedded enchaments on them.   This is what Paul Sage said yesterday....

    Yuck.

     

    That's like in WoW you got their terrific piece of gear with permanent gems in it, but the gems can't be resocketed with more useful gems. And jewelcrafters can't even put their elite gems in them, either.

     

    Eww...

  • KnotwoodKnotwood Missoula, MTPosts: 1,103Member
    Originally posted by Kevyne-Shandris
    Originally posted by Knotwood
    Originally posted by Rhazmuz

    But cant we put legendary enchantments on dropped gear?

    The crux of the "dropped better than crafted" debate, is wheter the set bonuses which can only be gained on the dropped gear is better than the ones we can get on our crafted gear. Everything beyond that is equal right, seeing as enchants can be applied to all items, and dropped gear can come with the same traits as crafted gear?

    NO you cannot put enchamtents on dropped gear that has the embedded enchaments on them.   This is what Paul Sage said yesterday....

    Yuck.

     

    That's like in WoW you got their terrific piece of gear with permanent gems in it, but the gems can't be resocketed with more useful gems. And jewelcrafters can't even put their elite gems in them, either.

     

    Eww...

    That is correct.

     

    Which is why Crafters will make the best gear in game still.   Because the Blacksmisth or Tailor gets to CHOOSE THE TRAIT, and the Enchanter gets to CHOOSE the LEGENDARY ENCHANT.

     

    Giving you customization!!!!

  • RhazmuzRhazmuz Posts: 208Member Uncommon

    Ok, but then I need clarification:

    Are the set bonuses counted as a enchant or is it separate from a enchant? In other words, can I have a "normal" enchant (+10 fire dmg or + 50 hp) on a piece which also has a set bonus, or does the set bonus "replace" the enchant "slot"?

  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer ChairPosts: 5,590Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Knotwood
    Originally posted by Kevyne-Shandris
    Originally posted by Knotwood
    Originally posted by Rhazmuz

    But cant we put legendary enchantments on dropped gear?

    The crux of the "dropped better than crafted" debate, is wheter the set bonuses which can only be gained on the dropped gear is better than the ones we can get on our crafted gear. Everything beyond that is equal right, seeing as enchants can be applied to all items, and dropped gear can come with the same traits as crafted gear?

    NO you cannot put enchamtents on dropped gear that has the embedded enchaments on them.   This is what Paul Sage said yesterday....

    Yuck.

     

    That's like in WoW you got their terrific piece of gear with permanent gems in it, but the gems can't be resocketed with more useful gems. And jewelcrafters can't even put their elite gems in them, either.

     

    Eww...

    That is correct.

     

    Which is why Crafters will make the best gear in game still.   Because the Blacksmisth or Tailor gets to CHOOSE THE TRAIT, and the Enchanter gets to CHOOSE the LEGENDARY ENCHANT.

     

    Giving you customization!!!!

    So......why on earth would anyone want to be a blacksmith or tailor over being an enchanter? This doesn't sound appealing at all.

  • KnotwoodKnotwood Missoula, MTPosts: 1,103Member
    Originally posted by Rhazmuz

    Ok, but then I need clarification:

    Are the set bonuses counted as a enchant or is it separate from a enchant? In other words, can I have a "normal" enchant (+10 fire dmg or + 50 hp) on a piece which also has a set bonus, or does the set bonus "replace" the enchant "slot"?

    Triats are usually crafted onto the gear when the gear is made,  but made without enchants. 

     

    Set bonus's can be looked at as traits, its pretty much the exact same thing as lower crafted set bonus's at special crafting stations around the world. 

     

    Enchants are pretty much a separate ability or boost to something, like Trifling Glyph of Potion Boost, Increase pot effects by x amount, ect.

     

    Traits are pretty much passive lower or lesser qualities found on the gear or weapon.   Like Sturdy, Impenetrable, Reinforced, Well-fitted, Training, Infused, Exploration, Divines...  ect.  which gives a boost somehow to mostly stats or passives.

  • RhazmuzRhazmuz Posts: 208Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Knotwood
    Originally posted by Rhazmuz

    Ok, but then I need clarification:

    Are the set bonuses counted as a enchant or is it separate from a enchant? In other words, can I have a "normal" enchant (+10 fire dmg or + 50 hp) on a piece which also has a set bonus, or does the set bonus "replace" the enchant "slot"?

    Triats are usually crafted onto the gear when the gear is made,  but made without enchants. 

     

    Set bonus's can be looked at as traits, its pretty much the exact same thing as lower crafted set bonus's at special crafting stations around the world. 

     

    Enchants are pretty much a separate ability or boost to something, like Trifling Glyph of Potion Boost, Increase pot effects by x amount, ect.

     

    Traits are pretty much passive lower or lesser qualities found on the gear or weapon.   Like Sturdy, Impenetrable, Reinforced, Well-fitted, Training, Infused, Exploration, Divines...  ect.  which gives a boost somehow to mostly stats or passives.

    Cheers!

    Follow up question then:

    Can an item contain both a trait, an enchant and a set bonus? Or is it either enchant+set or enchant+trait?

  • KnotwoodKnotwood Missoula, MTPosts: 1,103Member
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Knotwood
    Originally posted by Kevyne-Shandris
    Originally posted by Knotwood
    Originally posted by Rhazmuz

    But cant we put legendary enchantments on dropped gear?

    The crux of the "dropped better than crafted" debate, is wheter the set bonuses which can only be gained on the dropped gear is better than the ones we can get on our crafted gear. Everything beyond that is equal right, seeing as enchants can be applied to all items, and dropped gear can come with the same traits as crafted gear?

    NO you cannot put enchamtents on dropped gear that has the embedded enchaments on them.   This is what Paul Sage said yesterday....

    Yuck.

     

    That's like in WoW you got their terrific piece of gear with permanent gems in it, but the gems can't be resocketed with more useful gems. And jewelcrafters can't even put their elite gems in them, either.

     

    Eww...

    That is correct.

     

    Which is why Crafters will make the best gear in game still.   Because the Blacksmisth or Tailor gets to CHOOSE THE TRAIT, and the Enchanter gets to CHOOSE the LEGENDARY ENCHANT.

     

    Giving you customization!!!!

    So......why on earth would anyone want to be a blacksmith or tailor over being an enchanter? This doesn't sound appealing at all.

    Because its like making a DIAMOND RING...

     

    Blacksmithing and Tailoring ALLOW you to make the best end game CRAFTED gear, and UPGRADE BOTH CRAFTED AND RAID DROPS to legendary quality,  no gear in game drops as legendary quality, it has to be upgraded to legendary quality.  Its like making a ring with no DIAMOND in it (Ehchant).

     

    Enchanting will put that LEGENDARY ENCHANT in it.   Like putting the DIAMOND into the ring.

     

    Raiders need blacksmiths and tailors to upgrade their raid gear to LEGENARY, but base best end game crafted gear can ONLY be made by these crafters. 

     

    On the other hand,  Enchanters cannot Enchant Raiders drop gear, because Raiders already have the embedded enchant on them.   But Enchanters can make the LEGENDARY ENCHANTS which are put into CRAFTERS MADE  best end game gear.

     

    Does that make sense a bit more>?

     

  • Kevyne-ShandrisKevyne-Shandris Hephzibah, GAPosts: 1,946Member
    Originally posted by Knotwood
    Originally posted by Kevyne-Shandris
    Originally posted by Knotwood
    Originally posted by Rhazmuz

    But cant we put legendary enchantments on dropped gear?

    The crux of the "dropped better than crafted" debate, is wheter the set bonuses which can only be gained on the dropped gear is better than the ones we can get on our crafted gear. Everything beyond that is equal right, seeing as enchants can be applied to all items, and dropped gear can come with the same traits as crafted gear?

    NO you cannot put enchamtents on dropped gear that has the embedded enchaments on them.   This is what Paul Sage said yesterday....

    Yuck.

     

    That's like in WoW you got their terrific piece of gear with permanent gems in it, but the gems can't be resocketed with more useful gems. And jewelcrafters can't even put their elite gems in them, either.

     

    Eww...

    That is correct.

     

    Which is why Crafters will make the best gear in game still.   Because the Blacksmisth or Tailor gets to CHOOSE THE TRAIT, and the Enchanter gets to CHOOSE the LEGENDARY ENCHANT.

     

    Giving you customization!!!!

    But not much for professional perks, either.

     

    My sis is an Alchemist/Tailor in WoW, and WoW's legendary this expansion is the cloak. She can put her professional perk (a proccing +5000 intellect cloak enchant, Lightweave) directly on that cloak.

     

    Not only can she add her professional perk on it, anyone else can add their favorite BiS sub-class enchant on it, ensuring Enchanters can still make the BiS enchants, too. image

     

    <--- Kev's a Blacksmith/Enchanter.

  • AratakiArataki Chicago, ILPosts: 239Member Uncommon

    A few things, the judgments of "best" is mostly coming from a group of min-maxers on the PTS. Minmaxing is great for number crunching and figuring out where there might be potential issues but what it is not known for is build variety. Maybe that looted gear has the best enchantment for an ardent flame, fire destruction staff dragonknight, but you want something else that fits what you are running instead.

    That's where crafting comes in.

    I'm not sure where the swing argument of "best gear is looted" = "crafting is useless." You still have 50+ levels of sparse itemization that encourages you to craft or find someone else to craft for you, unlike in most games where you get everything from questing. That being said, we all knew looted gear was good, upgraded to be better by a crafter months ago. Why is this an issue now?

  • RyowulfRyowulf Greensburg, PAPosts: 668Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by kkarrabbass
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by kkarrabbass
     

    Why should I believe this guy (GoldenTiger)?

    Is he a god?

    Didn't I hear a lot of "strange things" before?

    What has changed now?

    Because he is a closed beta tester with reliable information track record so far - aka a solid source.

    Is he a god - that is a really weak attempt to discredit anyone

    What are you talking about? What reliable information?

    You do not trust developers statement, but you trust some GoldenTiger, one of hundreds of closed beta testers.

    It is just silly. You have no knowledge how reliable his information ever was except for comparison it with developers information. And now you intentionally ignore developers statement in favor of this nobody. Is he your brother?

    I would say you have an agenda!

    P.S. By the way, I trust in God! In god only. Don't you?

    You should never trust anything a Dev says. They are trying to sell you something after all. 

    GoldenTiger and others like him are just basing the game (its so awful. etc). They voice their concerns over changes they have seen first hand in the game.

    The devs's feet should be held to the fire and we as customers should demand the best game possible.

    Its like this you and a buddy go to buy a used car, do you trust the seller to tell you everything bad about that car he is trying to get rid of?  When the guy who came with you starts to point out flaws and problems, do you get upset with him? "How dare you tell me the brakes are bad!!  The seller said they are brand new. You are a liar!"

  • KnotwoodKnotwood Missoula, MTPosts: 1,103Member
    Originally posted by Kevyne-Shandris
    Originally posted by Knotwood
    Originally posted by Kevyne-Shandris
    Originally posted by Knotwood
    Originally posted by Rhazmuz

    But cant we put legendary enchantments on dropped gear?

    The crux of the "dropped better than crafted" debate, is wheter the set bonuses which can only be gained on the dropped gear is better than the ones we can get on our crafted gear. Everything beyond that is equal right, seeing as enchants can be applied to all items, and dropped gear can come with the same traits as crafted gear?

    NO you cannot put enchamtents on dropped gear that has the embedded enchaments on them.   This is what Paul Sage said yesterday....

    Yuck.

     

    That's like in WoW you got their terrific piece of gear with permanent gems in it, but the gems can't be resocketed with more useful gems. And jewelcrafters can't even put their elite gems in them, either.

     

    Eww...

    That is correct.

     

    Which is why Crafters will make the best gear in game still.   Because the Blacksmisth or Tailor gets to CHOOSE THE TRAIT, and the Enchanter gets to CHOOSE the LEGENDARY ENCHANT.

     

    Giving you customization!!!!

    But not much for professional perks, either.

     

    My sis is an Alchemist/Tailor in WoW, and WoW's legendary this expansion is the cloak. She can put her professional perk (a proccing +5000 intellect cloak enchant, Lightweave) directly on that cloak.

     

    Not only can she add her professional perk on it, anyone else can add their favorite BiS sub-class enchant on it, ensuring Enchanters can still make the BiS enchants, too. image

     

    <--- Kev's a Blacksmith/Enchanter.

    True, the Professional Perk would be that you get to Create the Best Gear possible in Game as a Crafter,  I think that's the best perk in an MMO in years.

  • funconfuncon Key West, FLPosts: 258Member
    Of course they are going to make the best gear only obtainable by raiding/pvping. How else will they keep people subbed if they could craft best gear? They wont need to spend hours and hours pvping and pveing.
  • deveilbladdeveilblad Saint-Constant, QCPosts: 177Member
    End of thread.... Legendary gear is crafted only. You take a crafted or dropped epic level piece of equipment and a crafter has to use tempers to make it legendary. Legendaries do not drop.
  • KnotwoodKnotwood Missoula, MTPosts: 1,103Member
    Originally posted by funcon
    Of course they are going to make the best gear only obtainable by raiding/pvping. How else will they keep people subbed if they could craft best gear? They wont need to spend hours and hours pvping and pveing.

    I don't want to set u up for a heartbreak, but crafters will be able to make the best gear in game, and also upgrade raid gear.

  • ScotScot UKPosts: 5,769Member Uncommon
    I think this is a lesson in taking one quote as gospel..just don't. No bad on the OP, we have all done it.
  • Kevyne-ShandrisKevyne-Shandris Hephzibah, GAPosts: 1,946Member
    Originally posted by Ryowulf

    The devs's feet should be held to the fire and we as customers should demand the best game possible.

    Its like this you and a buddy go to buy a used car, do you trust the seller to tell you everything bad about that car he is trying to get rid of?  When the guy who came with you starts to point out flaws and problems, do you get upset with him? "How dare you tell me the brakes are bad!!  The seller said they are brand new. You are a liar!"

    +1

     

    Don't take anything on face value alone, as publishers/devs change positions as fast as a hooker see's a $100 bill over a $20 one.

     

    Then they wonder why gamers have the attitudes they have? Yeah, toxic relationships don't exist in a vacuum, they exist when the relationships break down.

  • KnotwoodKnotwood Missoula, MTPosts: 1,103Member
    Originally posted by Kevyne-Shandris
    Originally posted by Ryowulf

    The devs's feet should be held to the fire and we as customers should demand the best game possible.

    Its like this you and a buddy go to buy a used car, do you trust the seller to tell you everything bad about that car he is trying to get rid of?  When the guy who came with you starts to point out flaws and problems, do you get upset with him? "How dare you tell me the brakes are bad!!  The seller said they are brand new. You are a liar!"

    +1

     

    Don't take anything on face value alone, as publishers/devs change positions as fast as a hooker see's a $100 bill over a $20 one.

     

    Then they wonder why gamers have the attitudes they have? Yeah, toxic relationships don't exist in a vacuum, they exist when the relationships break down.

    So far, I been following this game for the past year, and everything the devs have said have come true as far as development goes.    I think people have been lied to by devs for so long from big names like Blizzard and SOE that they don't see it when a dev like ESO's devs come around and Says what they do, and does as they say.

     

    As far as business aspects,  well, where there is money, there is bullchitlin.   But business decisions aside, the devs have done everything in development that they said from the beginning. 

     

    This thread title will be proven wrong like so many other misunderstandings this game has had from its start.   Crafters will be able to make the best gear in game, and even make drops better just like the devs said.

  • Phelan42Phelan42 OldenburgPosts: 9Member
    Originally posted by VannorIf you want to roleplay a crafter, I don't see why you'd rather do it in a game instead of in real life.

    That's like saying, if you want to build stuff, why play MineCraft...

    Who can actually build or craft something in RL? Sure, some people pick up carpentry as a hobby and so on, but smithing for example? Especially stuff that will be used?

    For that matter, if you want to gain experience, why play a game and not do some stuff in RL... Getting the point?

  • Ice-QueenIce-Queen USA, GAPosts: 2,451Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Tbau
    I wouldn't be surprised. DaoC started out with the best gear being crafted and then the developers caved in and changed it, one of them is the head of TESO development.

    That's when DAOC went downhill too. ToA ruined DAOC.

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    What happens when you log off your characters????.....
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    Dark Age of Camelot

  • VorthanionVorthanion Laguna Vista, TXPosts: 2,119Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by infiniti70
    Originally posted by Bloodaxes

    Well not everyone likes crafting so I could see why that is the majority on most mmorpgs.

    Only game I ever got a crafting type to max was leather working and skinning(?) in WOW because I could skin the enemies while questing didn't have to go farm some nodes.

    System should not call for everyone to craft, but rather reward those who do like to craft with a profession that is truly needed by the community. Making the best loot drop is no different than having NPCs heal better than any player can for hire at end game...basically telling healers they are not really needed. 

    This is an adventure game, who should get priority in the reward system?  Most adventures are not entertained nor do they feel rewarded when dropped items are crafting components.  Nor do they enjoy being held hostage by crafters, unable to adventure in some cases till they find someone to make their next tier items or repair current ones.  Crafting can still be important without making adventurers feel like they are missing out or being ripped off, but if it comes to one or the other, adventure reward systems should always take priority in an adventure game.  

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  • VorthanionVorthanion Laguna Vista, TXPosts: 2,119Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Ice-Queen
    Originally posted by Tbau
    I wouldn't be surprised. DaoC started out with the best gear being crafted and then the developers caved in and changed it, one of them is the head of TESO development.

    That's when DAOC went downhill too. ToA ruined DAOC.

    ToA was about raiding, not even the same premise.  Darkness Falls and Catacombs, both of which were hugely successful for the game, introduced alternate paths to loot other than crafting.  I really believe Catacombs is what has kept DAoC alive today.

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