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[General Article] Elder Scrolls Online: An Alternate Opinion

SBFordSBFord Associate Editor - News ManagerThe Land of AZPosts: 16,622MMORPG.COM Staff Uncommon

Our own Bill Murphy has a list of the good and bad from our recent preview weekend, and I’d encourage you to check it out. But, like a doctor judging a problematic patient, he’s also asked me to chime in with a second opinion. While we agree on a several areas about what makes ESO a blast to play, I’m a little concerned about some of the game’s more vital organs.

Read more of Gareth Harmer's Elder Scrolls Online: An Alternate Opinion.

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  • WereLlamaWereLlama Lubbock, TXPosts: 243Member

    I really like what I'm learning about the engine/crafting/etc.  

    The main thing I dislike is the zone / quest rails.  It looks like can't go anywhere and die or take risks outside the limits of that railroad track.  If a L1 cant stumble into a L45 giant that scares the jute out of me, its not  very real.   

    -WL

  • falc0nfalc0n Lubbock, TXPosts: 374Member
    Is the beta still up?

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  • DogblasterDogblaster PraguePosts: 491Member

    Nice article :)

    I myself was kinda dissapointed with teso, and the biggest reasons was the UI (somehow it lacks) and it didnt felt as MMORPG to me, for me a big deal. Also ... I decided not to play or look forward to any mmorpg that is developer for pc and consoles together again, because I hate how it is whole game is ''dumbed'' down to be playable on console, the ui, the combat, tje social, the graphics etc.

    But because I already pre purchased the game i will give it try and level to max level to see what end game is about.

    But the minute Wildstar is released, I know for sure, that i drop every existing game and acitivites in rl and play that for as long as possible, untill i drop out and then for many many months? Hope years :)

     
  • nerovipus32nerovipus32 dublinPosts: 2,735Member
    I disagree.
  • erikkennedyerikkennedy daytona beach, FLPosts: 6Member

    Either you didn't really play this game, or its already changed significantly since you have. Almost everything you said about the starter zone is incorrect, and I just finished it myself yesterday. I didn't feel like I was running erands, I felt like I had to find and help all of the villagers before the Covenant attacked and killed everyone. There were lots of other real people running around, and I even got friend requests. I was able to immediately start crafting. The chat box was so busy I had to work hard to ignore it.

    There are still some bugs. I'm sure some of the things you were looking for will be implemented. It just seems like in an effort for you guys to find a differing opinion, what you did instead was something ignorant.

  • GotterdammerGotterdammer Chatham, ONPosts: 36Member
    Originally posted by erikkennedy

    Either you didn't really play this game, or its already changed significantly since you have. Almost everything you said about the starter zone is incorrect, and I just finished it myself yesterday. I didn't feel like I was running erands, I felt like I had to find and help all of the villagers before the Covenant attacked and killed everyone. There were lots of other real people running around, and I even got friend requests. I was able to immediately start crafting. The chat box was so busy I had to work hard to ignore it.

    There are still some bugs. I'm sure some of the things you were looking for will be implemented. It just seems like in an effort for you guys to find a differing opinion, what you did instead was something ignorant.

    I'm going to agree with this. This article just seems to reach for things to be negative about just for the sake of being negative. While I don't think TESO will hold my interest for long due to the other two heavy hitters releasing this year, I have definitely pre-ordered and I have no doubt that the time I do spend with it will be enjoyable.

  • orbitxoorbitxo fort lauderdale, FLPosts: 1,408Member Uncommon

    well written.

     

    -you explained the starter zone perfectly!

    -Free 2 play sayers need to calm down - it would not work for this game.

    - the game feels alot like 'elder scrolls' on the solo instances. but a bit odd seein  tons of players gathered around one quest giver.

    - we will see where this goes...

  • Mariner-80Mariner-80 Winchester, VAPosts: 347Member

    Any game with a decent character creator is a plus but, from what I've read, the opening/tutorial story line is the painfully generic and over-used: "you were dead but now -- ta-da!!! -- you're alive again, and you have to go save the world!"

    First impressions count for a lot with me, and leading off with such a tired and familiar "epic tale" trope is a major negative for me.

  • ScotScot UKPosts: 5,769Member Uncommon

    "The social systems lack cohesion and feel incomplete:

    ESO’s social problems begin with the inordinate amount of time spent in Starter Island Purgatory, watching the chat box sit there like a dead parrot. It only starts to become useful some five hours in, by which time you’ve probably decided that it’s probably not worth speaking to anyone anyway."

    If being social in a MMO means talking on general chat then I pity you. By the time you are on the Starter island you should be in your guild and chatting away.

    If the only way we could talk in a MMO was in general chat I would regard MMO's as some sort of hell.

  • BetaguyBetaguy Halifax, NSPosts: 2,590Member
    Originally posted by WereLlama

    I really like what I'm learning about the engine/crafting/etc.  

    The main thing I dislike is the zone / quest rails.  It looks like can't go anywhere and die or take risks outside the limits of that railroad track.  If a L1 cant stumble into a L45 giant that scares the jute out of me, its not  very real.   

    -WL

     Did you even play? That can happen and it doesn't feel as you say , "On Rails".

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  • DamediusDamedius Calgary, ABPosts: 346Member

    If you want to be negative about ESO. You shouldn't be grasping for straws.

    You should just point out what is probably going to be the biggest flaw at launch.

    Since it's a Bethseda game, it's probably going to be a bit of a bug filled mess at launch.

  • HellidolHellidol TACOMA, WAPosts: 405Member Uncommon
    i disagree with this write up completely, I really enjoyed the combat and the social systems they provide. When I melee stuff it feels like I hit them and feels like a real hit rather then just hitting buttons. This game is doing it right for what they are aiming for out of combat, those that don't like it might be to stuck in their ways of WoW type gaming....to me WoW gaming is boring and pointless while this game feels much different. The dungeons in the game are pretty fun and allow for people to do hybrid roles rather then the trinity, which again is boring but most WoW style players wont get past that and will QQ a ton about it.

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  • CommoXCommoX Tucson, AZPosts: 80Member Uncommon

    Gonna have to agree with Erikkennedy. This game has changed a lot, and a lot of these press reviews seemed to be based on older beta information. Even the opening/introductory quest line has changed vastly. Chat was indeed very busy all weekend in all the zones I played in, quests weren't hum drum if you actually read them (I know, we're trained just to click through and follow an arrow now, my fault.) And the linear pathing everyone is complaining about with quests... Town quest, walk five minutes, kill, walk 5 minutes, return. Yea, not once. Exploration is encouraged, and if you didn't walk off the beaten path then you missed anywhere from 3-5 quests along the way as you either stared at the sky or ground towards your quest marker.

    Are there bugs, yes, hopefully people are submitting bug reports in beta instead of just rushing back to their computers to blog about how bad a beta is. Yes I know it's near release, but some things aren't difficult to fix.

  • immodiumimmodium ManchesterPosts: 1,578Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Damedius

    If you want to be negative about ESO. You shouldn't be grasping for straws.

    You should just point out what is probably going to be the biggest flaw at launch.

    Since it's a Bethseda game, it's probably going to be a bit of a bug filled mess at launch.

    :)

    Fingers crossed it's less buggier than a Bethesda developed game. Not overly confident, Bethesda IS involved. :)

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  • WicoaWicoa LondonPosts: 1,602Member Uncommon

    This links in a bit with how I feel.

    Nor do I want subscription games to go free to play. I will choose the subscription game that is right for me and this is not it.

  • deven07deven07 Petoskey, MIPosts: 24Member Common
    Originally posted by erikkennedy

    Either you didn't really play this game, or its already changed significantly since you have. Almost everything you said about the starter zone is incorrect, and I just finished it myself yesterday. I didn't feel like I was running erands, I felt like I had to find and help all of the villagers before the Covenant attacked and killed everyone. There were lots of other real people running around, and I even got friend requests. I was able to immediately start crafting. The chat box was so busy I had to work hard to ignore it.

    There are still some bugs. I'm sure some of the things you were looking for will be implemented. It just seems like in an effort for you guys to find a differing opinion, what you did instead was something ignorant.

    Nope, errand running.  Follow the cat to the brother, wash the windows, throw pumpkins at hooligans, collect blasting fuses, open gates for townies....what is that but same old same old?

    So a differing opinion that isn't yours and happens to be negative is ignorant?  Hmmm...

  • EugeneKDudleyEugeneKDudley Seaton, ILPosts: 58Member

    Even though the game wasn't for me (Wish I could tell the positives but NDA) It has potential. wish i could say what those positives are, but it also needs more time to cook before serving to the masses. as it is if released right now, it would do fine but not great. it's needs more time maybe another 6 months to polish it up and possibly add player housing and some things which i can't tell you are missing due to NDA.

    But it has potential but zenimax needs to eat some humble pie as well and either give everyone free access to imperial race and unlock all factions or public trust will not be there for them. first impressions count and they have started off on a bad foot with fans and new players alike. I just hope they put  release off and give it more time it needs more flavor as it is right now it very bland.

    "By all means, reach for the stars but you need to build the spaceship first"

  • RocknissRockniss Youngstown, OHPosts: 1,034Member
    There has got to be some reverse psychology going on right now. I had taken it off my radar but now with all the hate, I think I might still play it. Why? Well because it seems what a lot of people hate, I seem to love. I also don't want to know everything already when I jump into a game especially Elder Scrolls. I can easily look up on the Internet how to do this or that and is this game any good at any point in time.... yadayadayada. At this point I think it's well known the game lacks to much of this or that for those of us who wanted a more es or more mmorpg experience. With that in mind, I am going to adjust my expectations to be more in line with necessary compromises and give ESO the time of day, ask yourself to get over it already, what else are you going to play come April 4th?
  • koboldfodderkoboldfodder Danbury, DEPosts: 390Member Uncommon

    I am still on the fence about this game.  I really enjoy all the single player TES games since Morrowind, but this game simply is not like those games.

     

    Combat has always been a major negative about TES games, as well as combat animations.  That is something Bethesda (and now Zenimax) have always struggled with.  They are very amateur at this.  Skyrim had serious animation and combat issues that players fixed with mods.  Oblivion had serious combat and animation issues that players fixed with mods.  Morrowind had serious combat and animation issues that players fixed with mods....you get the idea.  Players wont be able to fix this game, and that is a huge negative.

     

    The fact that there is no physicality to combat is stark, and you get it as soon as you fight that first skeleton in the Molag tutorial zone.  It's a sense of uneasiness that never leaves you as you progress through the game.  That, and archery is awful.  It's nothing like the single player games obviously and is a major let down to players wanting to shoot arrows at things....just an awful feeling, combat and archery while watching god awful animations. 

     

    The crafting system intrigues me, but that is not enough.  Plus you have to wait until level 10 to start doing stuff....

     

    There is something very SWTORish about this game, and that is not a good thing.  They charge you for the box, and a monthly fee....and they have the nerve to put in "pre-order" race bonuses.  The whole idea of charging people money for the game PLUS a sub is so you do not have to deal with this F2P cash shop mentality.

     

    This game will go F2P.  You can see it coming a mile away.  It wont be the flop fest that SWTOR is/was because that game had massive expectations from a MMO perspective.  There is very little expectation to this game.  The same questions and feelings you had the day you heard about this game (several years ago) are still with you today.

  • WicoaWicoa LondonPosts: 1,602Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Rockniss
    There has got to be some reverse psychology going on right now. I had taken it off my radar but now with all the hate, I think I might still play it. Why? Well because it seems what a lot of people hate, I seem to love. I also don't want to know everything already when I jump into a game especially Elder Scrolls. I can easily look up on the Internet how to do this or that and is this game any good at any point in time.... yadayadayada. At this point I think it's well known the game lacks to much of this or that for those of us who wanted a more es or more mmorpg experience. With that in mind, I am going to adjust my expectations to be more in line with necessary compromises and give ESO the time of day, ask yourself to get over it already, what else are you going to play come April 4th?
     

     

    I think your labelling the "hate" a little too strongly there fella. There's a difference between hate and letting the game pass by because its not for me.

    Come April the 4th I will doing one of these:

    Wildstar Beta

    Playing WoW having preordered WOD in March

    Playing some MOBA or FPS titles.

    MISC 2 Months is a decent enough time for something else to come along!

     

  • LisaFlexy22LisaFlexy22 mesa, AZPosts: 430Member

    This is where I think they messed up - they waited until you're done with the starter areas, of which there are a few to slog through, before it really opens up into the game it is.  And by that time people have already quit and are filling up forum threads about how there is no exploration, is just linear, boring etc.  And it's the player's fault somewhat for writing off the game before giving it a true shot (because the game truly does get exponentially better once done with the starter areas) but Zenimax really messed up by not making the starter areas more fun and for taking so long to get through them.

  • LisaFlexy22LisaFlexy22 mesa, AZPosts: 430Member
    Originally posted by Wicoa
    Originally posted by Rockniss
    There has got to be some reverse psychology going on right now. I had taken it off my radar but now with all the hate, I think I might still play it. Why? Well because it seems what a lot of people hate, I seem to love. I also don't want to know everything already when I jump into a game especially Elder Scrolls. I can easily look up on the Internet how to do this or that and is this game any good at any point in time.... yadayadayada. At this point I think it's well known the game lacks to much of this or that for those of us who wanted a more es or more mmorpg experience. With that in mind, I am going to adjust my expectations to be more in line with necessary compromises and give ESO the time of day, ask yourself to get over it already, what else are you going to play come April 4th?
     

     

    I think your labelling the "hate" a little too strongly there fella. There's a difference between hate and letting the game pass by because its not for me.

    Come April the 4th I will doing one of these:

    Wildstar Beta

    Playing WoW having preordered WOD in March

    Playing some MOBA or FPS titles.

    MISC 2 Months is a decent enough time for something else to come along!

     

    No offense to your tastes, but to be honest I wouldn't expect many players who show the interest in games you do to be someone that would enjoy ESO much. 

  • WicoaWicoa LondonPosts: 1,602Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by LisaFlexy22
    Originally posted by Wicoa
    Originally posted by Rockniss
    There has got to be some reverse psychology going on right now. I had taken it off my radar but now with all the hate, I think I might still play it. Why? Well because it seems what a lot of people hate, I seem to love. I also don't want to know everything already when I jump into a game especially Elder Scrolls. I can easily look up on the Internet how to do this or that and is this game any good at any point in time.... yadayadayada. At this point I think it's well known the game lacks to much of this or that for those of us who wanted a more es or more mmorpg experience. With that in mind, I am going to adjust my expectations to be more in line with necessary compromises and give ESO the time of day, ask yourself to get over it already, what else are you going to play come April 4th?
     

     

    I think your labelling the "hate" a little too strongly there fella. There's a difference between hate and letting the game pass by because its not for me.

    Come April the 4th I will doing one of these:

    Wildstar Beta

    Playing WoW having preordered WOD in March

    Playing some MOBA or FPS titles.

    MISC 2 Months is a decent enough time for something else to come along!

     

    No offense to your tastes, but to be honest I wouldn't expect many players who show the interest in games you do to be someone that would enjoy ESO much. 

    Non taken.

    My long haul games to play are things like Camelot Unchained, EQNext (maybe) and or Star Citizen/Elite Dangerous.

    Everything else are just time fillers really.

  • ThomasN7ThomasN7 87.18.7.148 1, NJPosts: 6,690Member
    There will be people who will like this game and defend it until no end. There will also be people who just down right do not like this game at all. The fact remains though is that for a game that has so many mixed emotions right from the start is not a good impression. First impressions mean everything. There are simply too many questions and issues that surrounds ESO to think this game will be successful long term.
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  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer ChairPosts: 5,590Member Uncommon

    WTF????

    Every other post is either telling the OP he's dead on or telling the OP he's dead wrong.

    Which is it?

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