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Angry Joe reviews ESO Beta

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  • VannorVannor YorkshirePosts: 2,970Member Uncommon
    I feel like he was already prepared to review it badly because of the imperial edition issue. Totally under the impression he was biased before he'd even tried it.
  • jpnzjpnz SydneyPosts: 3,529Member
    From an 'average gamer' point of view; not liking the whole CE/imp issue is not surprising.

    Gdemami -
    Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.

  • JJ82JJ82 Chicago, ILPosts: 1,177Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Holophonist
    Originally posted by Incomparable

    From the few videos i have seen, and 2 reviews that say its simple questing, i can only assume that it is... but ofc, my percption is that of an outsider, and i do not take opinions as a matter of fact... but from what i saw those quests look like ordinary kill quests.

    The NDA is not helping if the early lvls of previews give a distorted picture.

    Maybe they should chime in. Its a long of a wait to let negative impressions fly and apparently there are a lot of negative reviews floating around, and in terms of questing are not fair apparently as you mentioned.

    They definitely are not the typical kill quests. They're not full blown skyrim quests, but rather somewhere in the middle.

    Actually yes they are. You see and hear them talking about several of them in the review.

    "People who tell you you’re awesome are useless. No, dangerous.

    They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
    http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/

  • WizardryWizardry Ontario, CanadaPosts: 8,444Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Vannor
    I feel like he was already prepared to review it badly because of the imperial edition issue. Totally under the impression he was biased before he'd even tried it.

    Not me, what he does do though is ALWAYS make sure to mention the flaws and you know what ,the flaws are exactly what players should know.

    The GOOD parts of a game take care of themselves,god knows between advertising on hundreds of sites and biased interviews ect ect,the good will be spammed over and over.The flaws are usually what are hidden from the public,the dev is NEVER going to admit to a problem,...EVER.

    He did mention that he THINKS ZENI is open to criticism,i don't like the term "constructive" that is a BS polite way of saying your game has problems...fix it.I believe in saying things straight forward,no candy coating,truth hurts but so what take note and fix the problems.

    There is nothing in Angry Joe's review that you can argue is not FACT,there are a couple opinionated things like the same spawn sharing but overall,every point he made is a valid point already discussed over many years of gaming.

    Joe actually sounds like me when i play a game,i might not be talking to anyone else,ubt i dissect EVERY minute in the game and decide weather it is done poorly,acceptable or just rotten.


    Samoan Diamond

  • slickbizzleslickbizzle Matthews, NCPosts: 464Member
    Originally posted by gervaise1
    Originally posted by slickbizzle

    Am I the only person left that reviews my own games by buying them and playing them?  Are there really that many sheep on the edge of their seat waiting to be told to buy something because a reviewer said it was good or to stay away because a reviewer said it was bad?   I genuinely feel sorry for people with the mentality that they need to constantly be told what to like and not like.

     

     

    If you never read reviews then OK but I find that odd. I haven't got time to buy and play every single games that is released.

    Do you read reviews before you buy a new washing machine? Car? Television? See a film? Or do you just buy all?

    You don't have to agree with a reviewer but reviews will present a window into a product. Check out enough reviews and you can start to form an opinion. And you can still buy the game regardless. 

     

    I see your point. Purchasing a $50,000 vehicle is exactly like purchasing a $50 game and should be taken just as serious.   

     

    Personally, I used to see an ad for a game, go to their site and see if I liked anything about the game/world/races/classes, and if I did I'd buy it.   Sometimes I get lemons, sometimes I get lemonade.  I only do it once or twice a year, so I think the lemons are worth me making my own decisions on whether or not to buy a game.

     

     

  • Knup42Knup42 saint etiennePosts: 16Member
    Elder Scroll Online  is to a MMO what Andre Rieu is to classical music.....i dont need to say more.
  • AlBQuirkyAlBQuirky Sioux City, IAPosts: 3,828Member


    Originally posted by Ppiper

    Originally posted by Tanr

    Originally posted by SuperNick

    Originally posted by Aldous.Huxley
    My favorite part about this review is how at first, Angry Joe is enjoying himself until his sidekick starts pointing out what he sees as flaws & begins to criticize the entire series. He slowly sways Joe from his enjoymemt of the game to the enjoyment of ridiculing it. If they don't like the ES series, why would they like the mmo version? Bias review is bias from the get. The only reason he pumped out a shallow review consisting of only lvls 1-9 (which are the introductory tutorial levels) was to capitalize on the popularity & hype of the beta to get more hits on his youtube channel.All this video shows is how Angry Joe is a hamfisting opportunist & puppet who is easily swayed by his peers.Angry Joe is an angry joke.
    LOL, this post is awesome.
    I'll second that.I think in general there are so many "sheeple" out there. People need to learn to think for themselves and stop letting others tell them what to think. 
    agreed, horribly amateuristic as a game reviewer. Note to self: Never read his reviews or watch his videos again. I want my few minutes back.
    Are all the sheeple present? <looks above at quoted posts> Yup.

    Read what you agreed to then added to. Even though you were totally off-base, do you all feel better now? Did you all keep logging onto the Collector's Edition website 4 hours before the sale commenced?

    Never has a better prime example of what is being complained about been so excellently shown...

    - Al

    Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.
    - FARGIN_WAR

  • Ryoshi1Ryoshi1 Osaka, PAPosts: 139Member
    sheeple peepholes
  • JJ82JJ82 Chicago, ILPosts: 1,177Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Knup42
    Elder Scroll Online  is to a MMO what Andre Rieu is to classical music.....i dont need to say more.

    using other peoples music to become famous while adding nothing new to music as a whole himself and mostly performing for elitists?

    Wait, that's a damn good comparison!

    I would rather see John Williams any day of the week, at least he writes his own music and isn't just a "performer", I can get that with any popular music.

    "People who tell you you’re awesome are useless. No, dangerous.

    They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
    http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/

  • DocBrodyDocBrody EldridgePosts: 1,820Member
    Originally posted by Blazer6992

    I agree with him, it should be free.

     

    absolutely yes

  • GregorMcgregorGregorMcgregor FalkirkPosts: 222Member Uncommon

    You poor folks need to ignore the haters (and FBs) alike.

    As for the preview, taking the word of an out of work wannabe actor that likes fancy dress and console games? Well, as someone just put it "Nuff said!". :)

    No trials. No tricks. No traps. No EU-RP server. NO THANKS!

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  • AlBQuirkyAlBQuirky Sioux City, IAPosts: 3,828Member


    Originally posted by GregorMcgregor
    You poor folks need to ignore the haters (and FBs) alike.As for the preview, taking the word of an out of work wannabe actor that likes fancy dress and console games? Well, as someone just put it "Nuff said!". :)
    Yea... When nothing substantial can be said about the review, review the reviewer.

    - Al

    Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.
    - FARGIN_WAR

  • ElikalElikal ValhallaPosts: 7,906Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by AlBQuirky

     


    Originally posted by GregorMcgregor
    You poor folks need to ignore the haters (and FBs) alike.

     

    As for the preview, taking the word of an out of work wannabe actor that likes fancy dress and console games? Well, as someone just put it "Nuff said!". :)


    Yea... When nothing substantial can be said about the review, review the reviewer.

     

    Ah yes, people trying the Ad Hominem trick. Always makes me snicker. ;)

    People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert

  • VelocinoxVelocinox Old Folks Home, CAPosts: 811Member Uncommon

    The funniest thing is you can click on the youtube commenter's that are super excited about the game and then follow their history back to the last new MMO and see how they wanted that game more than anything before release. Then gushed about the game during beta. Then three months later speak of it as being, 'Ok'. Then six months later they start bashing it viciously, like it kicked their dog and spit in their hair. Then finally you see them ramping up again for the next new MMO and the cycle repeats.

    Try it yourself. :)

     

    I've given this phenomena a name; MMO locusts. Look up locust swarms and how they go from crop field to crop field and destroy it. Don't mistake the term as some snarky insult. It just seems like the best descriptor for the industry's most predominant fan behavior for recent MMOs.

    'Sandbox MMO' is a PTSD trigger word for anyone who has the experience to know that anonymous players invariably use a 'sandbox' in the same manner a housecat does.


    When your head is stuck in the sand, your ass becomes the only recognizable part of you.


    No game is more fun than the one you can't play, and no game is more boring than one which you've become familiar.


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    Start with a billion dollars and make an MMO.

  • GregorMcgregorGregorMcgregor FalkirkPosts: 222Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Elikal
    Originally posted by AlBQuirky

     


    Originally posted by GregorMcgregor
    You poor folks need to ignore the haters (and FBs) alike.

     

    As for the preview, taking the word of an out of work wannabe actor that likes fancy dress and console games? Well, as someone just put it "Nuff said!". :)


    Yea... When nothing substantial can be said about the review, review the reviewer.

     

    Ah yes, people trying the Ad Hominem trick. Always makes me snicker. ;)

    It makes you chocolate bar? ;)

    No trials. No tricks. No traps. No EU-RP server. NO THANKS!

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    ...10% Benevolence, 90% Arrogance in my case!
  • InporylemQQInporylemQQ asdasadsPosts: 165Member
    As long as people keep buying this generic bullcrap there won't be end of it. :)

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  • Aldous.HuxleyAldous.Huxley Monticello, MNPosts: 418Member
    Originally posted by AlBQuirky

     


    Originally posted by Ppiper

    Originally posted by Tanr

    Originally posted by SuperNick

    Originally posted by Aldous.Huxley
    My favorite part about this review is how at first, Angry Joe is enjoying himself until his sidekick starts pointing out what he sees as flaws & begins to criticize the entire series. He slowly sways Joe from his enjoymemt of the game to the enjoyment of ridiculing it. If they don't like the ES series, why would they like the mmo version? Bias review is bias from the get. The only reason he pumped out a shallow review consisting of only lvls 1-9 (which are the introductory tutorial levels) was to capitalize on the popularity & hype of the beta to get more hits on his youtube channel.

     

    All this video shows is how Angry Joe is a hamfisting opportunist & puppet who is easily swayed by his peers.

    Angry Joe is an angry joke.


    LOL, this post is awesome.
    I'll second that.

     

    I think in general there are so many "sheeple" out there. People need to learn to think for themselves and stop letting others tell them what to think. 


    agreed, horribly amateuristic as a game reviewer. Note to self: Never read his reviews or watch his videos again. I want my few minutes back.
    Are all the sheeple present? Yup.   Read what you agreed to then added to. Even though you were totally off-base, do you all feel better now? Did you all keep logging onto the Collector's Edition website 4 hours before the sale commenced? Never has a better prime example of what is being complained about been so excellently shown...

    TBH, I did feel a little better after posting that. And I thought of it all by myself!

    I didn't need a youtube video to tell me how to post it either...

  • HolophonistHolophonist Pittsburgh, PAPosts: 2,086Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by JJ82
    Originally posted by Holophonist
    Originally posted by Incomparable

    From the few videos i have seen, and 2 reviews that say its simple questing, i can only assume that it is... but ofc, my percption is that of an outsider, and i do not take opinions as a matter of fact... but from what i saw those quests look like ordinary kill quests.

    The NDA is not helping if the early lvls of previews give a distorted picture.

    Maybe they should chime in. Its a long of a wait to let negative impressions fly and apparently there are a lot of negative reviews floating around, and in terms of questing are not fair apparently as you mentioned.

    They definitely are not the typical kill quests. They're not full blown skyrim quests, but rather somewhere in the middle.

    Actually yes they are. You see and hear them talking about several of them in the review.

    They are what? Typical kill quests or full blown skyrim quests? Because they most certainly are not typical kill quests. I only played up until about level 10 and I didn't get a single kill quest. And from what I understand the game only opens up even more after that.

  • lunatiquezlunatiquez San Fransisco, CAPosts: 381Member

    You know, I think if you hate the game so much why would you hold your breath for breaching the NDA?

    Just spill it out. Start a new thread and tell us on the list everything that you hate about the game.

    You won't play the game anyway right, so why are you still afraid of being banned by Zenimax?

    If the thread locked just make another thread on another forum or social media, spread the words.

  • JJ82JJ82 Chicago, ILPosts: 1,177Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Holophonist
    Originally posted by JJ82
    Originally posted by Holophonist

    They definitely are not the typical kill quests. They're not full blown skyrim quests, but rather somewhere in the middle.

    Actually yes they are. You see and hear them talking about several of them in the review.

    They are what? Typical kill quests or full blown skyrim quests? Because they most certainly are not typical kill quests. I only played up until about level 10 and I didn't get a single kill quest. And from what I understand the game only opens up even more after that.

    Jesus Christ man they were talking about AND showing one of them right in the review.

    wow.....

    "People who tell you you’re awesome are useless. No, dangerous.

    They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
    http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/

  • keithiankeithian Los Angeles, CAPosts: 3,042Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by JJ82
    Originally posted by Holophonist
    Originally posted by JJ82
    Originally posted by Holophonist

    They definitely are not the typical kill quests. They're not full blown skyrim quests, but rather somewhere in the middle.

    Actually yes they are. You see and hear them talking about several of them in the review.

    They are what? Typical kill quests or full blown skyrim quests? Because they most certainly are not typical kill quests. I only played up until about level 10 and I didn't get a single kill quest. And from what I understand the game only opens up even more after that.

    Jesus Christ man they were talking about AND showing one of them right in the review.

    wow.....

    Jesus Christ man there are hundreds of quests that are not your standard kill x kill y quests and many of the previewers and beta players acknowledged that.

    There Is Always Hope!

  • JJ82JJ82 Chicago, ILPosts: 1,177Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by keithian
    Originally posted by JJ82
    Originally posted by Holophonist
    Originally posted by JJ82
    Originally posted by Holophonist

    They definitely are not the typical kill quests. They're not full blown skyrim quests, but rather somewhere in the middle.

    Actually yes they are. You see and hear them talking about several of them in the review.

    They are what? Typical kill quests or full blown skyrim quests? Because they most certainly are not typical kill quests. I only played up until about level 10 and I didn't get a single kill quest. And from what I understand the game only opens up even more after that.

    Jesus Christ man they were talking about AND showing one of them right in the review.

    wow.....

    Jesus Christ man there are hundreds of quests that are not your standard kill x kill y quests and many of the previewers and beta players acknowledged that.

    Either the game does or does not have it. No one said ALL the quests are like that. No MMO has ALL kill x amount of y quests so even attempting to defend with that is foolish.

    "People who tell you you’re awesome are useless. No, dangerous.

    They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
    http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/

  • ArndushArndush Dallas, TXPosts: 303Member
    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

    The only thing he complains about are the box prices and the subscription...  (but then we where all good paying those like 3 years ago, at which point every non succesfull MMO went f2p and cashshop)... 

     

    And then suddenly he advises everyone to buy the more expensive collectors edition, just because it comes with a free horse..

     

     

    And his whole bit about the horse is both misleading and shows a lack of insight into how the economy works in ESO. It was misleading because he flails his arms about as he screams, "Oh my god! Horses cost 40,000 gold or something ridiculous." While it is true that there are horses that cost 40k, there are also horses that cost 17k.

     

    Where he shows a lack of insight into the economy is; With the speed you acquire gold in this game, there is no reason you couldn't afford a horse in the upper teens to early 20s. Which is where most MMOs traditionally allow you to obtain your first mount.

     

    Also, In those MMOs the ability to acquire a mount is done through level locked arbitrary skill. In ESO, the only restriction is how fast you can acquire the coin. So, when leveling your second tune, toss him some coin and presto! You have a mount as soon as you can reach a stable.

  • jpnzjpnz SydneyPosts: 3,529Member
    Originally posted by Arndush
     

    And his whole bit about the horse is both misleading and shows a lack of insight into how the economy works in ESO. It was misleading because he flails his arms about as he screams, "Oh my god! Horses cost 40,000 gold or something ridiculous." While it is true that there are horses that cost 40k, there are also horses that cost 17k.

     

    Where he shows a lack of insight into the economy is; With the speed you acquire gold in this game, there is no reason you couldn't afford a horse in the upper teens to early 20s. Which is where most MMOs traditionally allow you to obtain your first mount.

     

    Also, In those MMOs the ability to acquire a mount is done through level locked arbitrary skill. In ESO, the only restriction is how fast you can acquire the coin. So, when leveling your second tune, toss him some coin and presto! You have a mount as soon as you can reach a stable.

    AJ's point of view seemed like an 'average gamer' that likes the ES series having a look at this.

    I don't think it is fair to expect an average gamer to spend hours researching for a game.

    If the game is that obtuse, then it probably will only have niche appeal (EVE Online) anyway.

    Gdemami -
    Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.

  • ArndushArndush Dallas, TXPosts: 303Member
    Originally posted by jpnz
    Originally posted by Arndush
     

    And his whole bit about the horse is both misleading and shows a lack of insight into how the economy works in ESO. It was misleading because he flails his arms about as he screams, "Oh my god! Horses cost 40,000 gold or something ridiculous." While it is true that there are horses that cost 40k, there are also horses that cost 17k.

     

    Where he shows a lack of insight into the economy is; With the speed you acquire gold in this game, there is no reason you couldn't afford a horse in the upper teens to early 20s. Which is where most MMOs traditionally allow you to obtain your first mount.

     

    Also, In those MMOs the ability to acquire a mount is done through level locked arbitrary skill. In ESO, the only restriction is how fast you can acquire the coin. So, when leveling your second tune, toss him some coin and presto! You have a mount as soon as you can reach a stable.

    AJ's point of view seemed like an 'average gamer' that likes the ES series having a look at this.

    I don't think it is fair to expect an average gamer to spend hours researching for a game.

    If the game is that obtuse, then it probably will only have niche appeal (EVE Online) anyway.

    However, as a reviewer with a fairly substantial viewership, he has a responsibility to provide his viewers with accurate information. What I went over would not take much research. If he looked at the horse vendor and saw the 40k horse, he most assuredly saw the 17k horse right above it. I did and I looked at the stable vendor for all of five seconds.

     

    However, I do agree with you that this will be a niche game. I think it will appeal to DAoC and WAR fans. I think it will appeal to ESO fans who also like MMOs and it may capture TES fans who play on the PC and wished for a co-op mode, and that's about it. I think Zenimax and Bethesda know this as well. Which is why you are seeing the $15 sub fee. If the rumors are correct that the budget for ESO was north of $200 milllion, then ESO would have to match Skyrim's 3.5 million copies sold just to break even. It won't. The only MMO to date to hit 3.5 million copies sold in the first year is Guild Wars 2. Which is free to play and appeals to a much wider audience.

     

    Assuming ESO sells 1.5 million copies, that would put them (with average of $60/box) at $90 million in revenue. That means they have to earn at least another $110 million before the even start to turn a profit. Let's assume the keep 1 million of the 1.5 million boxes sold past the 30 day free trial. That means they'll start taking in $15 million per month. Assuming they shed another 250k users after 6 months. They will have made up 90 million of the 110 million dollar shortfall. If they can then keep 750k dedicated loyal players, that stay with the game, sure some will come and go, but if they can stay at that 750k range, they will turn a decent profit at the end of the first year and be set up for strong long term revenue generation. I think Zenimax an Bethesda would be very happy with that. Especially if they can grow the number of subscribers by building the game up, fixing anything that's broke, and adding new content.

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