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Angry Joe reviews ESO Beta

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  • shadow9d9shadow9d9 Boca Raton, FLPosts: 366Member
    Originally posted by shadylurker
    Originally posted by muffins89

     


    Originally posted by Nevulus
    That's why I am a fan of his reviews. He calls it as it is, always has & always will.

     

    he said guild wars 2 was amazing.

     

     

    Its one of the best MMO's out... Not for hardcore players probably trolling mmorpg...

    Tiny zones with a max level that you hit in 5 minutes... I guess if that is the best that the MMO genre can do nowadays, we might as well walk away.

  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAPosts: 18,462Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Entinerint
    They're pretty spot-on IMO.

    well, sometimes yes and sometimes no.

    For instance that one guy who said "this is pretty boring" (to be honest they all sound like kids) goes on to complain that he feels the game is about talk to a guy, go out and kill one thing and run back with "nothing to do on the way".

    That's completely untrue as that is the whole point of how the quests are set up, you find them "along the way". You find things along the way. Heck, tonight I actually discovered a whole activity "along the way" and never got to my quest objective. Which is one of the few times I've really felt the "elder scrolls feeling".

    My guess is he opened his map, ran to the circle without paying attention, and ran back.

    There definitely was some truth to the impressions but some things were just wrong.

    And I disagree with Joe about "old school". I prefer old school. I don't like the "new school" everyone gets a prize for showing up.

    If you go to a chest and someone else beat you to it then "tough". You don't get the prize.

  • VolgoreVolgore Posts: 2,212Member Uncommon

    Quit that crap after 5mins.

    All i got from that "review" was some guy playing the beta with a bunch of other folks on VoIP, going "f*ck f*ck!!", "dude, dude!", "awesome, dude!" all the way, showing their pathetic eVip attitude.

     

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  • shadow9d9shadow9d9 Boca Raton, FLPosts: 366Member
    Originally posted by BeansnBread
    Originally posted by RebelScum99
    Originally posted by BeansnBread
    Originally posted by muffins89
    Originally posted by Nevulus
    That's why I am a fan of his reviews. He calls it as it is, always has & always will.

    he said guild wars 2 was amazing.

    He probably thinks that compared to ESO, it really is amazing. And at a better value.

    Except he no longer plays GW2.  He left the game and his guild disbanded.  And he wasn't paying a dime for GW2, either.  So it wasn't like he left because he didn't feel like paying for it anymore.  

    Would he have to play a game indefinitely for you to accept that he liked it?

    For a genre built upon the idea of keeping people interested over the long term?  Yes.  At the very least, more than GW2 has been around.

  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread PshPosts: 5,503Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by shadow9d9
    Originally posted by BeansnBread

    Would he have to play a game indefinitely for you to accept that he liked it?

    For a genre built upon the idea of keeping people interested over the long term?  Yes.  At the very least, more than GW2 has been around.

    Whelp, that sounds completely insane to me considering his job. But it's fine with me if you want to try and discredit his opinion using that argument.

  • IneveraskforthisIneveraskforthis Macros 7Posts: 374Member

    With all respect to Joe, his video feels like a typical console gamer reviewing an mmo.

    By console gamers i mean impatient gamers who only play a game for a week or two before hopping/leaving to other games, on most part it is completely fine and reasonable, but for an mmo i prefer longevity over initial flashes and excitement.

    Comparing Skyrim's graphic to TESO is kinda unfair too, honesty playing the game at max i found it mostly on par with Console Skyrim (Skyrim's graphic at console are largely overrated..without any mod it looks average at best )

    I might be the minority who enjoy slower pace MMO, TESO without breaking any NDA had relatively longer leveling curve than other recent mmo release, and i like it.

    While i do agree the combat can gets kinda bland at time, but isn't it commonly found in every Elder Scrolls game? I mean this ain't witcher or dragon age.

    Having said that i am still looking forward to Joe's PVP video, at least his opinion is honest unlike some other reviewers.

    Anyway,  Zenimax is really fuck up for limiting the length of the preview video imo, this kind of act is actually harming their reputation.

  • shadow9d9shadow9d9 Boca Raton, FLPosts: 366Member
    Originally posted by BeansnBread
    Originally posted by shadow9d9
    Originally posted by BeansnBread

    Would he have to play a game indefinitely for you to accept that he liked it?

    For a genre built upon the idea of keeping people interested over the long term?  Yes.  At the very least, more than GW2 has been around.

    Whelp, that sounds completely insane to me considering his job. But it's fine with me if you want to try and discredit his opinion using that argument.

    It has nothing to do with his opinion.  I haven't viewed his opinion and have no dog in this fight.  I am merely stating the problem with the genre.  Most games seem fun at first.  Their longetivity, in the MMO genre, should be what determines how truly good a game is.

  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAPosts: 18,462Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Volgore

    Quit that crap after 5mins.

    All i got from that "review" was some guy playing the beta with a bunch of other folks on VoIP, going "f*ck f*ck!!", "dude, dude!", "awesome, dude!" all the way, showing their pathetic eVip attitude.

     

    Yeah, that was unfortunate, it was difficult to watch.

    I think I also disagree with the guy who said that wholesale copying of other successful mmo's was fine, just do it in your own way".

    Really? Which successful mmo's? WoW? EVE?

    two diametricallly opposed mmo's.

    I have harsh criticisms for the game but they strike me as having short attention spans with some of their comments.

    And then at the end he goes on about how paying for the game isn't great but if it was "FREE" it would be the most amazing "FREE" game because there is "so much content".

    So people can't pay for "so much content" anymore?

     

     

  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread PshPosts: 5,503Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by shadow9d9
    Originally posted by BeansnBread

    Whelp, that sounds completely insane to me considering his job. But it's fine with me if you want to try and discredit his opinion using that argument.

    It has nothing to do with his opinion.  I haven't viewed his opinion and have no dog in this fight.  I am merely stating the problem with the genre.  Most games seem fun at first.  Their longetivity, in the MMO genre, should be what determines how truly good a game is.

    That's too subjective though. For instance, I don't agree that longevity should be what determines whether or not an MMORPG is truly good.

  • shadow9d9shadow9d9 Boca Raton, FLPosts: 366Member
    Originally posted by BeansnBread
    Originally posted by shadow9d9
    Originally posted by BeansnBread

    Whelp, that sounds completely insane to me considering his job. But it's fine with me if you want to try and discredit his opinion using that argument.

    It has nothing to do with his opinion.  I haven't viewed his opinion and have no dog in this fight.  I am merely stating the problem with the genre.  Most games seem fun at first.  Their longetivity, in the MMO genre, should be what determines how truly good a game is.

    That's too subjective though. For instance, I don't agree that longevity should be what determines whether or not an MMORPG is truly good.

    If the game isn't built to sustain your interest over the long term, how can it possibly be considered good?

     

    Hell, the idea of a subscription means that the developers INTEND for you to stay long time.  They set the goal themselves!

  • Bad.dogBad.dog Belleville, ONPosts: 1,108Member
    Originally posted by muffins89

     


    Originally posted by Nevulus
    That's why I am a fan of his reviews. He calls it as it is, always has & always will.

     

    he said guild wars 2 was amazing.

    proves again why most folks think AJ hit's the nail right on the head

  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread PshPosts: 5,503Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by shadow9d9

    That's too subjective though. For instance, I don't agree that longevity should be what determines whether or not an MMORPG is truly good.

    If the game isn't built to sustain your interest over the long term, how can it possibly be considered good?

    This is such a strange question to me. It seems so obvious that I could like and enjoy a game without actually having to play it for a year straight or whatever. MMORPGs don't magically REQUIRE people to play them for a long time in order for those people to like them. That's just not how it works.

  • superconductingsuperconducting Rochester, NYPosts: 843Member Uncommon

    Angry Joe's review is a pretty accurate assessment of the way things are. Sad but true.

    Zenimax had the potential to make something Great. Instead they ended up making something just good. I guess that's fine but it's a little upsetting.

    And that part where he said it feels like Elder Scrolls without its heart or soul is spot on.

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  • Bad.dogBad.dog Belleville, ONPosts: 1,108Member
    Originally posted by Jyiiga

    I am beyond sick of the sub fee whines. They whine and whine and cry like little babies about sub fees. Then when they stick in an item shop, they will whine and cry and suck their thumbs like little babies and still not play the game.

    These people trying to get something for nothing need to learn, no such thing. Take a hike.

    some folks will pay 10$ for a bottle of tap water ....doesn't mean they are bright it just means they have cash to blow

  • AzureProwerAzurePrower AustraliaPosts: 1,508Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by thunderC
    terrible review, angry joe needs to get a real job IMHO

    What do you consider a "real job"?

  • FlyinDutchman87FlyinDutchman87 London MIlls, ILPosts: 247Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by AzurePrower
    Originally posted by thunderC
    terrible review, angry joe needs to get a real job IMHO

    What do you consider a "real job"?

     

    Yeah....

     

    Why the hell would ANYONE EVER want a real job.  To hell with that. He's making money doing what he loves.... Why take that away from anyone.

     

    Keep on doing what your doing angry joe.

     

    Because the world really needs another accountant......

  • AeanderAeander Walker, LAPosts: 523Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by muffins89

     


    Originally posted by Nevulus
    That's why I am a fan of his reviews. He calls it as it is, always has & always will.

     

    he said guild wars 2 was amazing.

    And, for him, and others (myself included) it IS amazing.

     

    Angry Joe has never steered me wrong on a game.

  • ElikalElikal ValhallaPosts: 7,906Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by FlyinDutchman87
    Originally posted by AzurePrower
    Originally posted by thunderC
    terrible review, angry joe needs to get a real job IMHO

    What do you consider a "real job"?

     

    Yeah....

     

    Why the hell would ANYONE EVER want a real job.  To hell with that. He's making money doing what he loves.... Why take that away from anyone.

     

    Keep on doing what your doing angry joe.

     

    Because the world really needs another accountant......

    Or another Banker. Amen brother amen. ^^

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  • shadow9d9shadow9d9 Boca Raton, FLPosts: 366Member
    Originally posted by BeansnBread
    Originally posted by shadow9d9

    That's too subjective though. For instance, I don't agree that longevity should be what determines whether or not an MMORPG is truly good.

    If the game isn't built to sustain your interest over the long term, how can it possibly be considered good?

    This is such a strange question to me. It seems so obvious that I could like and enjoy a game without actually having to play it for a year straight or whatever. MMORPGs don't magically REQUIRE people to play them for a long time in order for those people to like them. That's just not how it works.

    MMOs started off requiring people to pay, and people did, for years.  Now, they aren't sustaining themselves easily on that model, and the fake free model doesn't gather longevity either.  The whole idea of asking you to pay every month sets the bar for determination of how good the game is by how long you are willing to play it.  Fake free to play doesn't even think it is worth the cost of one meal a month to play.

    They don't require people to play them for a long time, but that is how their business model works... 

  • NevulusNevulus Miami Beach, FLPosts: 1,288Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by muffins89

     


    Originally posted by Nevulus
    That's why I am a fan of his reviews. He calls it as it is, always has & always will.

     

    he said guild wars 2 was amazing.

    gw2 was amazing, he also said in his later commentaries why he & his guild no longer play gw2 and mentioned the very same issues lots of others on this forum have brought up. But this topic is not about gw2, its about eso.

  • shadow9d9shadow9d9 Boca Raton, FLPosts: 366Member
    Originally posted by BeansnBread
    Originally posted by shadow9d9
    Originally posted by BeansnBread
    Originally posted by shadow9d9

    That's too subjective though. For instance, I don't agree that longevity should be what determines whether or not an MMORPG is truly good.

    If the game isn't built to sustain your interest over the long term, how can it possibly be considered good?

    This is such a strange question to me. It seems so obvious that I could like and enjoy a game without actually having to play it for a year straight or whatever. MMORPGs don't magically REQUIRE people to play them for a long time in order for those people to like them. That's just not how it works.

    MMOs started off requiring people to pay, and people did, for years.  Now, they aren't sustaining themselves easily on that model, and the fake free model doesn't gather longevity either.  The whole idea of asking you to pay every month sets the bar for determination of how good the game is by how long you are willing to play it.  Fake free to play doesn't even think it is worth the cost of one meal a month to play.

    They don't require people to play them for a long time, but that is how their business model works... 

    This doesn't even make sense to me. 

     

    So, whatever game gets people to pay a sub the longest is the best game? Because they get people to keep pulling that slot machine arm for the longest period of time? Would that mean that you think WoW is one of the best games ever created because it has so many long term subscribers?

    It wouldn't be the amount of subscribers.  It would be the longevity of each subscriber.

    You don't explain at all about what doesn't make sense about it.

  • ropeniceropenice Lake Worth, FLPosts: 587Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    I think it will be a fine game. I see it as on par with its peers. I certainly don't see it as better than its peers either, just in the same ballpark. I don't see paying a subscription for it. I would pay a box fee and I would use a cash shop, but not a subscription. That's just me though.

    Never understand this-you would play it with no sub, but would not play it for 50 cents per day? Either a game is worth playing or not. You would let that little amount of money stop you playing a game you like or you would play a game you don't like because it's free? $15/month is the best bargain for paid entertainment you can find. I do think its BS to have a cash shop in any sub mmo.

  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread PshPosts: 5,503Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by shadow9d9
    Originally posted by BeansnBread
    Originally posted by shadow9d9
    Originally posted by BeansnBread
    Originally posted by shadow9d9

    That's too subjective though. For instance, I don't agree that longevity should be what determines whether or not an MMORPG is truly good.

    If the game isn't built to sustain your interest over the long term, how can it possibly be considered good?

    This is such a strange question to me. It seems so obvious that I could like and enjoy a game without actually having to play it for a year straight or whatever. MMORPGs don't magically REQUIRE people to play them for a long time in order for those people to like them. That's just not how it works.

    MMOs started off requiring people to pay, and people did, for years.  Now, they aren't sustaining themselves easily on that model, and the fake free model doesn't gather longevity either.  The whole idea of asking you to pay every month sets the bar for determination of how good the game is by how long you are willing to play it.  Fake free to play doesn't even think it is worth the cost of one meal a month to play.

    They don't require people to play them for a long time, but that is how their business model works... 

    This doesn't even make sense to me. 

     

    So, whatever game gets people to pay a sub the longest is the best game? Because they get people to keep pulling that slot machine arm for the longest period of time? Would that mean that you think WoW is one of the best games ever created because it has so many long term subscribers?

    It wouldn't be the amount of subscribers.  It would be the longevity of each subscriber.

    You don't explain at all about what doesn't make sense about it.

    Are you arguing that WoW has a low amount of long term subscribers? I just disagree with you there. I'll bet it has more 3+ year subscribers than any other game on the market. Which... even if it didn't, it would be pretty damn far up on the list for one of the best games ever based on your criteria.

  • Ender4Ender4 milwaukee, WIPosts: 2,253Member

    I have not spent a lot of time in this game but from the early few levels I can honestly say this game is everything that is wrong with MMORPG today. Linear, boring, simplistic, holds your hands too much, cliche. There just isn't anything here to hope for a good game unless it completely changes at level 15+.

    Sadly I spent all day downloading the game. I have friends in town from out of town the rest of the weekend so I only had a couple hours to play it and it still didn't hold my attention long enough to not use my time on Hearthstone instead.

  • Mtibbs1989Mtibbs1989 Fredericksburg, VAPosts: 2,920Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Mpfive
    Originally posted by Blazer6992

    I agree with him, it should be free.

     

    No where in the video did he say it should be free, what video where you watching...

     You obviously didn't go 18-19 minutes into the video where he literally states, " I doubt this game will make it as subscription" it'll probably end up going free to play.

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