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Originally posted by Torvaldr Originally posted by Iselin ...and give us this day, our daily F2P thread...
and lead us not into monthly rent payments for an online game...
Unfortunately, business software (i.e. where the REAL money is) is solidly moving to a "rent per usage" payment model. Paying a subscription to use Microsoft Office is already a reality (Office 365). Web-based apps are pushing hard in that direction as well.
The subscription model in games is not dead by any means, it's simply evolving.
What happens when you log off your characters????.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFQhfhnjYMkDark Age of Camelot
Originally posted by SpottyGekko Originally posted by Torvaldr Originally posted by Iselin ...and give us this day, our daily F2P thread...
Add all Adobe products to that list - it's now called Creative Cloud. I'm a renter there because I've always kept-up with their updates so it makes sense for me (cheaper actually) got an awesome deal last fall on Lightroom + Photoshop.
"Simple question for those who may be uniformed of how these games operate."
So, you are asking people who are uninformed about their opinion?
So poll. Such opinion. Much clue. Wow.
Originally posted by ButeoRegalis "Simple question for those who may be uniformed of how these games operate." So, you are asking people who are uninformed about their opinion? So poll. Such opinion. Much clue. Wow.
Yeah you like that.
Originally posted by artemisentr4 Originally posted by rodarin Depends on the extended sub models they offer and how many people buy 6 Mo and 12 month ones; how much canned content they hold back; how fast people burn thourgh the content that is there and what they can add; how good or bad PvP is. The biggest determining factor will be if they price the long term subs ridiculously low people will buy them, its shown that people gravitating to this game love a 'deal' even when it should be free. So if they offer 'founders' subs for somthing like 54.99 for 6 months and 99.99 for 12 months I suspect a lot of people will buy intot hose, especially the PC platform. That buys them some time obviously. But if people who bought time upfront stop playing and the pops drop massively then they will have to look at the orignal plan and go F2P as fast as they can. Or at lest implement the cash shop.
It will be interesting to see how the "pops" will be looked at in a game with a Megaserver. You won't be able to log in and see the total pop because you may not be able to see the layers of the game. I guess we will be able to see how many campaigns (servers) there are after a few months for Cyrodiil PvP.
Yeah because with alts and people playing whatever campaign is doing the best, (having a toon in every allaince of some campaign somewhere and maybe) there might be a thousand campaigns at launch. I am not positive how many characters a person can create. I would suspect at least 4 if not 6 or 8, so they could have toons in that many campaigns. Do some micky mouse math and multiply by the amount of people at release and it shoots up quickly. I suspect 700-1 million PC players at launch. I hear people talk about 2K as a campaign cap, I have never seen them say officially, but if that is the case there will be thousands of campaigns needed if people have alts in individual campaigns and there are that many people playing.
These are things we really dont know but from what they have said they can be predicted.
What you say is very true. Some payment systems that work for me with one type of service or product don't with another. For the games I play right now, in the current environment, I don't see a value in sub-locked games so I don't play them. I do sometimes subscribe to games (I'm subbed to Eldevin right now), but mostly I like sub-optional or sub-free gaming. I would prefer to just buy the game outright and not have to pay more (like the days of yore), but that's not a reality.
I'm not sure I would play WoW long term if they dropped the required sub. I do have some characters and enjoy the game, but there are so many other games now that I enjoy as much or more that the sub isn't quite the barrier to play. It's just a slight disincentive.
As for an ESO sub, since it is sub-locked I just don't see a point in starting up a game, playing for 3 months, and then dropping it because I know I won't play long term. I don't see the point in even getting my feet wet paying in a model that doesn't suit me.
I don't know.
I don't want to see the death knell of subscription games but I do think subscription prices should start to come down pr content provided increasing. Bandwidth and servers are costing less and less.
Originally posted by Wicoa I don't know. I don't want to see the death knell of subscription games but I do think subscription prices should start to come down pr content provided increasing. Bandwidth and servers are costing less and less.
Subs don't have to die. They just shouldn't be mandatory. They should provide something, other than just game access, that people want. Like you said, bandwidth and static costs are a much smaller chunk than they were 15 years ago or so. The development costs are paid for by the xpac / dlc fees, so that subscription cost should really mean something, as in a good return in value for the gamer. Currently I don't see it.
Originally posted by Torvaldr Originally posted by Wicoa I don't know. I don't want to see the death knell of subscription games but I do think subscription prices should start to come down pr content provided increasing. Bandwidth and servers are costing less and less.
Also subs should start first with being 5 dollars that would get P2P somewhere [IMO], 15 a month is not worth it for 1 videogame/virtual world(for those who love to seperate the two).
That would also make it easier to try out more MMOs that are P2P [IMO]
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Originally posted by Torvaldr Originally posted by SpottyGekko Originally posted by Torvaldr Originally posted by Iselin ...and give us this day, our daily F2P thread...
I get that.
FFXIV i paid upfront 6 months, and it's not the game, it's one of the better mmo's to come out in a long time, it's more i'm "fantasied" out. So what sucks is i have two months left and i don't have it in me to play atm, but in 3 months i might but the sting of being locked out well? I doubt i'll sub back up.
All along since launch i've been jumping in and out of swtor, even more so when it when F2P, i found their F2P pretty good as i earned credits and unlocked my toon.
Recently for whatever reason i really got back into swtor and subbed back up, it's the first time in a extremely long time where i felt the sub was worth it, i'm really into the game so bring down all the hurdles and lets play. But i know that when the time comes and i'm not as into it or get too busy, i can cancel my sub, and i'm not locked out.
So if SWTOR wasn't F2P would i be subbed back up atm? F2P isn't such a bad thing, i'm only tired of the facade that is put on as to cash in on box sales, lifetime subs whatever when they know F2P is coming.
Can't make a call this early.
TES has a big following, if they have enough subs they won't likely go F2P. Have no idea how this one will play out, esp with console players involved in the mix.
I personally would have liked to have seen a 3rd option of wait and see or something along those lines.
A lot of peeps probably have not even seen the game, and first hand experience is the main trigger. So I cannot answer yes or no until I have had that experience.
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Originally posted by Rusque Can't make a call this early. TES has a big following, if they have enough subs they won't likely go F2P. Have no idea how this one will play out, esp with console players involved in the mix.
Yes they have a huge following of single player gamers who are not used to the sub concept.
I think allot of the reasons SWTOR went f2p is a massive following of bioware single player fans don't want the pay monthly, specially when you aren't playing for a week or two then you feel "forced" (no pun intended) to play, yeah F2P is without question going to happen at some point.