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  • RuienRuien Durant, OKPosts: 39Member
    Originally posted by ThumbtackJ
    Originally posted by Ruien
    Originally posted by ThumbtackJ

    I hope it sells record breaking numbers. 

     

    Then I hope more hyped up and long awaited MMO's come out and do the same. Maybe pre-order at Gamestop for one race, pre-order at Amazon for another. And if you want all the content, you have to buy the super mega special edition. 

     

    That's what we need, man! Box price+Monthly Fee+Fee to Unlock Playable Races (and hopefully, eventually, whole areas and story arcs)+Fee for vanity items+Fee For Expansions.

     

    That would be so rad, I'm tellin' ya! Who cares about them people living in poverty that can't afford to pay more for basic extra stuff. 

     

    ;D

    Never understood this argument.  If the above argument is true then that person should not be playing a game. Most of their focus should be on bettering themselves in Rl and not some MMO.  You might say, well what about when I am not at work. If the above is true you should be eating,sleeping, working, learning to better yourself. Anything else is pure laziness.

    I'm lost. 

    My point exactly.

  • ThumbtackJThumbtackJ columbus, OHPosts: 539Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Ruien
    Originally posted by ThumbtackJ
    Originally posted by Ruien
    Originally posted by ThumbtackJ

    I hope it sells record breaking numbers. 

     

    Then I hope more hyped up and long awaited MMO's come out and do the same. Maybe pre-order at Gamestop for one race, pre-order at Amazon for another. And if you want all the content, you have to buy the super mega special edition. 

     

    That's what we need, man! Box price+Monthly Fee+Fee to Unlock Playable Races (and hopefully, eventually, whole areas and story arcs)+Fee for vanity items+Fee For Expansions.

     

    That would be so rad, I'm tellin' ya! Who cares about them people living in poverty that can't afford to pay more for basic extra stuff. 

     

    ;D

    Never understood this argument.  If the above argument is true then that person should not be playing a game. Most of their focus should be on bettering themselves in Rl and not some MMO.  You might say, well what about when I am not at work. If the above is true you should be eating,sleeping, working, learning to better yourself. Anything else is pure laziness.

    I'm lost. 

    My point exactly.

    Still lost. I was just sarcastically pointing out that the acceptance of this behavior (from these large companies) from gamers like us can only lead to worse things inevitably. It starts out as a pay-gated race in a P2P+Box price MMO. Then what? Where does the lines get drawn? People are saying now, "It's only a race!", when will it be, "It's only one area/story arc/continent/etc."? 

     

    Box Price+Monthly sub was fine, I'm more than down with that, and have been for the last 12 years. But when companies want to start double, triple, and even quad-dipping, it becomes a real problem. When you have Box Fees(and expansion)+Monthly Fees+Unlock Fees (for big ticket, main content stuff like races)+Item Shop Fees, that's poor business practice in my opinion. But it's even worse when consumers stand by and accept it.

  • ThornrageThornrage Eastern North CarolinaPosts: 593Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by ThumbtackJ
    Where does the lines get drawn? People are saying now, "It's only a race!", when will it be, "It's only one area/story arc/continent/etc."? 

    DLC? Expansion? They already do that.

    However ...

    If a game started selling areas/story arc/content as a pre-order or CE that can not be gotten any other way, then I would reject it.

    As for the Imperial, it does not change the game.

     

    "I don't give a sh*t what other people say. I play what I like and I'll pay to do it too!" - SerialMMOist

  • jesteralwaysjesteralways ChittagongPosts: 1,042Member Uncommon
    This is a new era, where companies charge for basic game feature like quickbar, title hide/show, helmet hide/show and add some more lame monetizing you can name. compared to that i don't think  zenimax is doing something really horrific. but they will obviously do something worse soon but as i have said we are in a new era, might as well get used to it.

    i want an open world, no phasing, no instancing.i want meaningful owpvp.i want player driven economy.i want meaningful crafting.i want awesome exploration, a sense of thrill.i want ow housing with a meaningful effect on my entire gameplay experience, not just some instanced crap.i want all of these free of cost, i don't wanna pay you a cent, game devs can eat grass and continue developing game for me.
    Seems like that is the current consensus of western mmo players.

  • SeelinnikoiSeelinnikoi LONDONPosts: 661Member Uncommon

    Please, let's have a moment and hear my words of wisdom...

     

    *clears throat* 

     

    If you want to be "heard", making forum threads will not solve the matter...

    Speak with your wallet, do not buy it.

    I dare anyone to disagree with me that the best way for us gamers to show disapproval is with our wallet.

    And as long as the majority of gamers keep willingly paying full retail price for an 80% complete game and then buying the remaining 20% as DLC on release, the greedy companies will still keep doing it.

  • kilunkilun Apopka, FLPosts: 709Member Common
    Originally posted by Cellarkid88
    Originally posted by Vonatar
    Originally posted by Soki123
    Originally posted by ImperialSun

    I'm struggling to see how people did not see this type of announcement coming.....

    It is clearly an acid test exercise......

    Gate a core race behind an additional CE purchase in order to both maximise launch revenue and also assess community reaction.

    This is basically just the first layer of framework before the game goes F2P with full on cash shop six months after launch.

    Zeni are just dipping their toe in the water here in order to see what sorts of content they can get away with charging for when the game does move to a full F2P model shortly after release....

    Welcome to the new world.....

    Driz

    I completely agree with this. It s truly a test, and a money grab.

    It's simply outrageous that a company some $200m in the hole with investors to fund creation of a product, want to do something so dastardly as grab money when selling the product!

    throwing money at a project != good product that is worth paying for

     

    if you buy everything just because it had a big production-price-tag on it you need to review yourself as a consumer. I mean common guys we need to educate our children someday about the value and worth of money.

     

    Future generations will be impacted if stuff like this is accepted.

    You really just compared a life value lesson with buying a CE edition of a game, which if you bought on greenmangaming for 20% is $4.00 above retail asking price for the game?  Are you serious?  If you buy the physical edition for $20 more than digital you get an art book and a statue, which to some are worth $20.00.

    Buying an MMO at release is one thing many like to do.  Most other games, imagine this one, MMO gamers wait until they are on sale.  I buy nearly every other game at 50-75% when they are on sale on steam.

    Maybe people should worry about their own finances and educating their own children.  I read about people complaining about gamestop selling used games for $5.00 less than new games cost, yet offer them only 40% of what its worth.  Its called lazy people, they don't have to do anything other than walk into the store and sell it back.  Toss it on Ebay and make double that roughly (-15% of final value for eBay/paypal fees).   

     

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  • DancwithDancwith Tyndall AFB, FLPosts: 19Member Uncommon

    there is a lot more that just the CE, pre-orders and such that is turning me off from the game. Quite a bit.  the lack of information, poor beta participation, the quality of the play just within the streams.  Gotta be honest, this may be the first game in a decade i didn't pre-order or buy outright.

    The quality of play i did get to see from people streaming was.......less than encouragable and Other than the lore, i'm not seeing much unique here.

    I think I may practice the art of "Saving My Moneh!" or maybe just get wildstar instead.

     

  • otacuotacu BolzanoPosts: 547Member
    Originally posted by dontadow
     

    So if they waited 2 months and offered this for the same price difference as an expansion would it make a difference? Don't mmos frequently add new races and such as expansions?

    Yes. You buy the expansion and pay the monthly fee and you are fine to go.

    Yet i find it strange that only those who buy the "collector edition" of that expansion will be able to play that race.

     

    It doesn't feel right when im paying a monthly sub to have Zenimax come to me and say

    Zenimax "Hey look! we have a new race to for you to play! just pay us 20$!"

     

    I could live with it in a f2p game. Totally fine.

    But not in a subscription game

  • merv808merv808 Colorado Springs, COPosts: 493Member Common

    OMG! That guy has the same car as me, but he paid extra for the luxury edition. I paid less for the base model. I can't believe they gave him power windows, power locks, a moonroof, and a satellite radio. People should boycott the car companies, for giving extras to people that are willing to pay for them. If they don't give the luxury features to everyone, the base model customers will be in an uproar!!!! This is outrageous, I should be entitled to everything he is even though I paid less.

     

  • rodarinrodarin camarillo, CAPosts: 576Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by merv808

    OMG! That guy has the same car as me, but he paid extra for the luxury edition. I paid less for the base model. I can't believe they gave him power windows, power locks, a moonroof, and a satellite radio. People should boycott the car companies, for giving extras to people that are willing to pay for them. If they don't give the luxury features to everyone, the base model customers will be in an uproar!!!! This is outrageous, I should be entitled to everything he is even though I paid less.

     

    free to play and buy to play mentality. No a subscription based one. You want a better car analogy.

     

    You have twins, you tell each you love them equally. But on their 18th birthday one gets an economy edition and the other gets a fully loaded addition. The one who got the standard edition ask why if you love us the same. The parents say well they were the one who came out first.

     

    end of lesson.

  • srsnoobsrsnoob New Orleans, LAPosts: 44Member
    Originally posted by merv808

    OMG! That guy has the same car as me, but he paid extra for the luxury edition. I paid less for the base model. I can't believe they gave him power windows, power locks, a moonroof, and a satellite radio. People should boycott the car companies, for giving extras to people that are willing to pay for them. If they don't give the luxury features to everyone, the base model customers will be in an uproar!!!! This is outrageous, I should be entitled to everything he is even though I paid less.

     

    How about this comparison. The base model of the car comes missing a window on the passenger door. To have all the windows you need get the luxury edition. It's fair right? Because it's not like you absolutely have to have a window on every door. But of course no one would ever buy a new car missing a window because it's a feature we expect. Imperial race its not an "extra". Basically what they did was flip a switch so that the imperial race will be grayed out for everyone except those that bought the Imperial edition. I'm sure they did this because of pressure from higher up. I can't imagine the people actually developing the game wanting to do something like this.

  • drgrandrgran Guelph, ONPosts: 192Member Uncommon

    I pre-ordered Southpark: Stick of Truth instead of this game. 

    It can wait. 

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  • MurlockDanceMurlockDance ParisPosts: 1,223Member

    Well, I won't be getting it because of letting any race play any faction. One of the things that made DAoC great in the old days was the realm pride. People would do crazy things and pull lots of hours in order to defend their keeps in the frontiers from the enemy realms. The feelings were so powerful and it made us play better together, our realms had such strong solidarity, even if forum drama was massive between realms. It was one of the best experiences I ever had in any MMORPG. Things like language barrier, alienness that makes your enemies more threatening because they are different from you, different skills, classes, etc all have a deep psychological impact.

    It disappeared when Mythic began to let people cross realm on the same server. It was one of the worst things Mythic did outside of the ToA expansion.

    I have not had such intense feelings in an MMORPG since DAoC and I long for them in an RvR game. The closest I got was in WAR, but it really needed three factions.

    Shame that Zenimax are dropping the ball.

    Playing MUDs and MMOs since 1994.

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  • AratakiArataki Chicago, ILPosts: 239Member Uncommon
    The "slippery slope" fallacy is a fallacy for a reason. Stop using it.
  • xpiherxpiher Indianapolis, INPosts: 3,311Member
    Originally posted by MurlockDance

    Well, I won't be getting it because of letting any race play any faction. One of the things that made DAoC great in the old days was the realm pride. People would do crazy things and pull lots of hours in order to defend their keeps in the frontiers from the enemy realms. The feelings were so powerful and it made us play better together, our realms had such strong solidarity, even if forum drama was massive between realms. It was one of the best experiences I ever had in any MMORPG. Things like language barrier, alienness that makes your enemies more threatening because they are different from you, different skills, classes, etc all have a deep psychological impact.

    It disappeared when Mythic began to let people cross realm on the same server. It was one of the worst things Mythic did outside of the ToA expansion.

    I have not had such intense feelings in an MMORPG since DAoC and I long for them in an RvR game. The closest I got was in WAR, but it really needed three factions.

    Shame that Zenimax are dropping the ball.

    Realm pride can't be imitated anymore because people will simply quit if their realm is losing and reroll. 

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  • Nzscorpion80Nzscorpion80 sydneyPosts: 50Member

    I bet 90% of the people moaning about the imperial race lock were never even going to place that race anyway, just up in arms cause they looking for something to hate on. 

    The Unlocking of the races is the biggest problem, would be good if it was always locked to the people that bought the Explorers version whatever it is, but we all know later on down the track they going to open it up for everyone in the cash shop, just like the imperial race.

    I will buy & play regardless, but if pvp/cyrodil is just a massive battleground with 20 instances of the same thing, then it wont be for long.

  • otacuotacu BolzanoPosts: 547Member
    Originally posted by merv808

    OMG! That guy has the same car as me, but he paid extra for the luxury edition. I paid less for the base model. I can't believe they gave him power windows, power locks, a moonroof, and a satellite radio. People should boycott the car companies, for giving extras to people that are willing to pay for them. If they don't give the luxury features to everyone, the base model customers will be in an uproar!!!! This is outrageous, I should be entitled to everything he is even though I paid less.

     

    More like OMG! that guy got the same car as me but he paid extra so he got 4 wheels while i only have 3. And the car manufactor promised me that we only had to pay a base sum to get all the important parts!

    You know... Zenimax kinda wants us to believe this is a p2p game and not a f2p game.

    Had it been a f2p your example would be correct. Sorry

  • HorusraHorusra maryland, MDPosts: 2,583Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by otacu
    Originally posted by merv808

    OMG! That guy has the same car as me, but he paid extra for the luxury edition. I paid less for the base model. I can't believe they gave him power windows, power locks, a moonroof, and a satellite radio. People should boycott the car companies, for giving extras to people that are willing to pay for them. If they don't give the luxury features to everyone, the base model customers will be in an uproar!!!! This is outrageous, I should be entitled to everything he is even though I paid less.

     

    More like OMG! that guy got the same car as me but he paid extra so he got 4 wheels while i only have 3. And the car manufactor promised me that we only had to pay a base sum to get all the important parts!

    You know... Zenimax kinda wants us to believe this is a p2p game and not a f2p game.

    Had it been a f2p your example would be correct. Sorry

    Your example is so spot on...I mean a missing race is so spot on the same as a vehicle with 3 wheels instead of 4 that can not drive now thus being unusable.  Wow.....those are so the same. 

  • DrDwarfDrDwarf TeesidePosts: 475Member

    I think the only way any of this would make sense to me is if they 

     

    - Made the CE $100 more (so we dont get anything like 40% buying it)

    - THE CE gets to go any  alliance with any race as a defector and is made distinct from the rest of his race (unique colour or clothing/mark  he has to wear)

    - Imperial Race is available to all

     

    This whole thing stinks of FTP in as little time as it takes for them to decide the subs model isnt working.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

  • sketocafesketocafe StoupaPosts: 803Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by MurlockDance

    Well, I won't be getting it because of letting any race play any faction. One of the things that made DAoC great in the old days was the realm pride. People would do crazy things and pull lots of hours in order to defend their keeps in the frontiers from the enemy realms. The feelings were so powerful and it made us play better together, our realms had such strong solidarity, even if forum drama was massive between realms. It was one of the best experiences I ever had in any MMORPG. Things like language barrier, alienness that makes your enemies more threatening because they are different from you, different skills, classes, etc all have a deep psychological impact.

    It disappeared when Mythic began to let people cross realm on the same server. It was one of the worst things Mythic did outside of the ToA expansion.

    I have not had such intense feelings in an MMORPG since DAoC and I long for them in an RvR game. The closest I got was in WAR, but it really needed three factions.

    Shame that Zenimax are dropping the ball.

    DAoC was a new IP wasn't it? You didn't have players with a decade-long history of playing specific races in the same world that were being forced into a faction because the developer decided arbitrarily that your race belonged in that faction. How do you expect someone to have pride in a faction when they're forced into it because they always play Bosmers rather than because they decided they wanted to be in that faction? 

    The ball never fit this game to begin with.

  • baphametbaphamet omaha, NEPosts: 2,838Member Uncommon

     


    Originally posted by otacu

    Originally posted by merv808 OMG! That guy has the same car as me, but he paid extra for the luxury edition. I paid less for the base model. I can't believe they gave him power windows, power locks, a moonroof, and a satellite radio. People should boycott the car companies, for giving extras to people that are willing to pay for them. If they don't give the luxury features to everyone, the base model customers will be in an uproar!!!! This is outrageous, I should be entitled to everything he is even though I paid less.  
    More like OMG! that guy got the same car as me but he paid extra so he got 4 wheels while i only have 3. And the car manufactor promised me that we only had to pay a base sum to get all the important parts!

     

    You know... Zenimax kinda wants us to believe this is a p2p game and not a f2p game.

    Had it been a f2p your example would be correct. Sorry


     

    so you can't play ESO without the imperial skin? because you damn sure can't drive a car with only 3 wheels.

    [mod edit]

  • baphametbaphamet omaha, NEPosts: 2,838Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Nzscorpion80
    I bet 90% of the people moaning about the imperial race lock were never even going to place that race anyway, just up in arms cause they looking for something to hate on. 

    there is no doubt about that. they seem to be mainly pissed because they don't get everything in the standard edition that people get in the imperial edition when they pay more money.

    dare i say they are a bunch of communists? lol (i am joking)

  • AdokasAdokas KristiansandPosts: 217Member
    I think people should stop making car analogies. Holy crap they're bad rofl.
  • DihoruDihoru ConstantaPosts: 2,731Member
    Originally posted by baphamet

     


    Originally posted by otacu

    Originally posted by merv808 OMG! That guy has the same car as me, but he paid extra for the luxury edition. I paid less for the base model. I can't believe they gave him power windows, power locks, a moonroof, and a satellite radio. People should boycott the car companies, for giving extras to people that are willing to pay for them. If they don't give the luxury features to everyone, the base model customers will be in an uproar!!!! This is outrageous, I should be entitled to everything he is even though I paid less.  
    More like OMG! that guy got the same car as me but he paid extra so he got 4 wheels while i only have 3. And the car manufactor promised me that we only had to pay a base sum to get all the important parts!

     

    You know... Zenimax kinda wants us to believe this is a p2p game and not a f2p game.

    Had it been a f2p your example would be correct. Sorry


     

    so you can't play ESO without the imperial skin? because you damn sure can't drive a car with only 3 wheels.

    [mod edit]

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQh56geU0X8 it is you that fails :).

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  • merv808merv808 Colorado Springs, COPosts: 493Member Common
    Originally posted by rodarin
    Originally posted by merv808

    OMG! That guy has the same car as me, but he paid extra for the luxury edition. I paid less for the base model. I can't believe they gave him power windows, power locks, a moonroof, and a satellite radio. People should boycott the car companies, for giving extras to people that are willing to pay for them. If they don't give the luxury features to everyone, the base model customers will be in an uproar!!!! This is outrageous, I should be entitled to everything he is even though I paid less.

     

    free to play and buy to play mentality. No a subscription based one. You want a better car analogy.

     

    You have twins, you tell each you love them equally. But on their 18th birthday one gets an economy edition and the other gets a fully loaded addition. The one who got the standard edition ask why if you love us the same. The parents say well they were the one who came out first.

     

    end of lesson.

    That's a terrible analogy and it doesn't fit the discussion at all. The developers are giving MORE to the people that are willing to pay MORE for it. Plain and simple. What if the kid that got the fully loaded edition contributed $2000 dollars of their own money, while the other kid refused to? That's what we are talking about here.

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