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SotA Combat Revealed!

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  • RebelScum99RebelScum99 Mesa, AZPosts: 1,090Member
    Originally posted by InsaneMembrane
    Originally posted by RebelScum99
    Originally posted by golden.radish

     

    In particular, note that the combat UI will feature a randomized placement of skills, rather than the traditional user defined placement of skills, on the combat hotbar.

     

    Holy shit, that sounds absolutely fucking terrible.  Surely there is more to it than that.  I mean, is that how they are going to make combat more difficult?  Why not just blindfold us as well?  Only allow us to use our feet on the keyboard instead of our hands?   

    Since I can't actually see the video, I have to assume there is more to it than that.  Because if that is how this combat system actually works...well, Garriott should have just stayed in outer space.  

     

    Yeah, actually there will be much more to it than that. You know, even us early KS pledge members do not yet have access to test the combat system in the RCs yet, so speaking of it as broken at this stage is very misinformed almost to the point of brain death.

     

     

    Yeah....except....it's pretty easy to write this combat off due to the fact that this one aspect alone GUARANTEES that the player will not be looking at the actual field of combat.  Rather, he'll be studying his action bar more closely than even the tab-target rotational spammy games do.  

    There is no way to spin this positively.  I have no idea what the rest of the combat entails, but the only thing brain dead is this random deck of cards idea.  It's horrible, and I can't see anything else they could add to combat to make this even remotely interesting.  

  • InsaneMembraneInsaneMembrane SydneyPosts: 130Member
    Originally posted by RebelScum99
    Originally posted by InsaneMembrane
    Originally posted by RebelScum99
    Originally posted by golden.radish

     

    In particular, note that the combat UI will feature a randomized placement of skills, rather than the traditional user defined placement of skills, on the combat hotbar.

     

    Holy shit, that sounds absolutely fucking terrible.  Surely there is more to it than that.  I mean, is that how they are going to make combat more difficult?  Why not just blindfold us as well?  Only allow us to use our feet on the keyboard instead of our hands?   

    Since I can't actually see the video, I have to assume there is more to it than that.  Because if that is how this combat system actually works...well, Garriott should have just stayed in outer space.  

     

    Yeah, actually there will be much more to it than that. You know, even us early KS pledge members do not yet have access to test the combat system in the RCs yet, so speaking of it as broken at this stage is very misinformed almost to the point of brain death.

     

     

    Yeah....except....it's pretty easy to write this combat off due to the fact that this one aspect alone GUARANTEES that the player will not be looking at the actual field of combat.  Rather, he'll be studying his action bar more closely than even the tab-target rotational spammy games do.  

    There is no way to spin this positively.  I have no idea what the rest of the combat entails, but the only thing brain dead is this random deck of cards idea.  It's horrible, and I can't see anything else they could add to combat to make this even remotely interesting.  

     

    I am not defending it, in fact I am positive if it doesn't work out and everyone bitches when they let us Kids test it in RC/Alpha it will be removed from the game and we'll get our WoW cookie cutter combat engine handed over to us.

    That is the benefit of this game, we will decide and it would be a lot more helpful if constructive comments were made about the combat engine over on the SotA forum and not just a stream of QQ here. If you are one of the SotA forum users commenting on it, then great.

    I dont see what the problem is anyway, if you look at my and many other's UO screens, we have crap ALL over them to the point where you can hardly see crap. Do/did us UO players care about our bars, spells, scrolls, skills getting all over the screen?  Nope. Harden up girls, macros will be doing all of our work for us anyway as with all previous games.

  • superconductingsuperconducting Rochester, NYPosts: 843Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by golden.radish
    Originally posted by InsaneMembrane
    Originally posted by golden.radish

    These constructive suggestions were all rejected or ignored.  All those threads are on the official forums to read, today.

     Oh yeah? Link me to a dev comment where it said the community suggestions are rejected, cos I will blog about it if they have done that. But I haven't seen that going around.

    Just a few of the official forum threads where this has happened, many times: (in one thread more than 15 suggestions were offered and then rejected outright, or ignored entirely with no response.)

    Combat, Magic, Skills, Advancement (MEGA POST)

    Let's talk about combat!

    Starr Long Discusses Chaotic Aspects of SOTA Combat

    Combat, Magic, Skills - No UI, No 'Deck' Proposal

    Reply to Chris's Combat Description

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    happy reading.

    Yeah... So much for "Crowdfunding" and hearing out the players. This is an absolute farce as far as I'm concerned.

    The ridiculous combat system is a prime example of this dev team doing what they're doing regardless of how well it is received by the community.

    I hope people rip the combat apart when release 4 comes.

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  • KarbleKarble San Diego, CAPosts: 741Member

    I can see quick select buttons changing based on conditions and skills/spells used.

    They did this in Guildwars 2 to indicate secondary functions of several abilities.

    There really wasn't anything random about it though. It was fairly predictable.

    Not sure exactly how this would work if it was totally random though. Wouldn't seem

    like anything that you could get better at over time with the exception of "Simon Says"

    based reaction which doesn't sound like any natural flowing quality part of an RPG in

    the modern AA or AAA scene. I could maybe see that sort of thing catching on big time

    with a rythm game like the "Bit Trip" game series which is very simple and fun for what it is.

    My hope is we have something closer to the traditional UO for combat.

    8 circles of spells to use

    lots of different weapons that are very effective when mastered

    bow and arrow

    potions

    spell scrolls

    int / strength / dex

    poisons

    bandages

    skills were important to a build for battles

    hiding

    parry

    spell resist

    Animal taming

    detect hidden

    poisoning

    healing

    Basically a few talented players could cause alot of trouble for a large group back in the day in UO.

    certain weapons could take away your movement quickly.

    poison tipped weapons could cause death even after a person almost got away.

    knowing when to hide and use detect hidden were important.

    You don't have to get crazy with combat or try to invent new systems...the old ones were great and would work well in this

    new land.

    I always enjoyed seeing people use summoned pets or tamed dragons to fight with. So much epic fun there.

    Here is to hoping they don't screw it up!

     

     

     

  • InsaneMembraneInsaneMembrane SydneyPosts: 130Member
    Originally posted by superconducting
    Originally posted by golden.radish
    Originally posted by InsaneMembrane
    Originally posted by golden.radish

    These constructive suggestions were all rejected or ignored.  All those threads are on the official forums to read, today.

     Oh yeah? Link me to a dev comment where it said the community suggestions are rejected, cos I will blog about it if they have done that. But I haven't seen that going around.

    Just a few of the official forum threads where this has happened, many times: (in one thread more than 15 suggestions were offered and then rejected outright, or ignored entirely with no response.)

    Combat, Magic, Skills, Advancement (MEGA POST)

    Let's talk about combat!

    Starr Long Discusses Chaotic Aspects of SOTA Combat

    Combat, Magic, Skills - No UI, No 'Deck' Proposal

    Reply to Chris's Combat Description

    ---

    happy reading.

    Yeah... So much for "Crowdfunding" and hearing out the players. This is an absolute farce as far as I'm concerned.

    The ridiculous combat system is a prime example of this dev team doing what they're doing regardless of how well it is received by the community.

    I hope people rip the combat apart when release 4 comes.

    BTW I did review all of those threads. Not once did I find a comment from a dev saying that they are ignoring our opinions. In fact in some of them and many of the new posts the devs are actively debating and  discussing the facts and information on the topics.  Y'all need to go read up there.  

     

  • rildrild Portland, ORPosts: 5Member

    I've been in the SotA community since Kickstarter, and I've never found the devs to be anything but accepting and open-minded about community suggestions. We have a very vocal community that is not hesitant to speak up when we disagree with the devs, and we frequently toss around all kinds of crazy ideas. I have seen Richard take suggestions from community members live in a video chat and toss them to the development team. It is a very fluid collaboration and I have been very impressed with the level of attention given to our opinions and ideas.

    Forums can be confusing sometimes, and intimidating to newcomers, with multiple threads picking up and leaving off. If you're interested in more information, please don't hesitate to ask in a post as there are many helpful people on the site who are happy to answer questions.

    We'd love to have you along on our adventure!!

  • ArglebargleArglebargle Austin, TXPosts: 1,417Member Uncommon

    We want Innovation!

     

    Exactly like it was at one snapshot in time, over ten years ago.

     

    Otherwise.....Anathema!!

    If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.

  • ArglebargleArglebargle Austin, TXPosts: 1,417Member Uncommon
    How about a limited deck, where players get to determine the makeup of the cards in the deck that can pop up on the tray?  And cards that can be developed by training, practice, or even drops (preferably relating the foe dropping it).

    If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.

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