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[Column] WildStar: Layer Cake

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  • elockeelocke Manassas, VAPosts: 4,205Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Isoman
    Originally posted by elocke
    As much as I like the mechanics and features the game offers, the control style and aesthetics leave me wanting and this game just doesn't have that "magic" it needs to draw me in.  It's like it wants to be WoW but be different yet doesn't catch that certain "magic" that WoW had that kept me playing for so many years.  Come to think of it, no game since WoW really has.  Someone should do a study on what is the same in post WoW mmos and what is truly different and see where and what the missing "piece" is. 

     

    For many people, the "magic" of WoW was simply their first mmo. For others, it was the polished and well combined features of previous titles into one game. Post WoW, there is no mystery or originality anymore. It's been said time and again; been there, done that. The magic is gone. As long as Carbine makes a game that is fun, entertaining, and keeps me coming back for more, that's all that matters. 

    Well it wasn't my first MMO.  FFXI had that "magic" for me before WoW.  SWG had it for me before FFXI.  So...for me, your argument has no merit.  For you it may have been the magic of novelty, for me it is something else.  Something very tough to define but there none the less.

    As for Wildstar, it needs to be fun, entertaining and have longevity yes, but so far...all I've seen and otherwise point to it not having at least 1 of those if not all 3. 

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  • Wilem82Wilem82 PraguePosts: 1Member
    I'm looking forward to someone making a mod to replace that ugly lump of UI-something in the middle bottom part of the screen. Maybe there'll be a Roth UI for WildStar or something.
     
  • CazNeergCazNeerg Puyallup, WAPosts: 2,198Member
    Originally posted by Xirik
    Originally posted by CazNeerg
    Did I read that correctly?  "Get a smattering of words in quest text."  Does that mean it's not even fully voiced?  What is this, 2004?

    So because one game is fully voiced it makes it the norm for all mmo's?image

    One?  Catch up.  And even if it's not the norm for all MMOs, it is the norm for RPGs, and has been for years.

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  • IsomanIsoman Muir, PAPosts: 31Member Common
    Originally posted by elocke
    Originally posted by Isoman
    Originally posted by elocke
    As much as I like the mechanics and features the game offers, the control style and aesthetics leave me wanting and this game just doesn't have that "magic" it needs to draw me in.  It's like it wants to be WoW but be different yet doesn't catch that certain "magic" that WoW had that kept me playing for so many years.  Come to think of it, no game since WoW really has.  Someone should do a study on what is the same in post WoW mmos and what is truly different and see where and what the missing "piece" is. 

     

    For many people, the "magic" of WoW was simply their first mmo. For others, it was the polished and well combined features of previous titles into one game. Post WoW, there is no mystery or originality anymore. It's been said time and again; been there, done that. The magic is gone. As long as Carbine makes a game that is fun, entertaining, and keeps me coming back for more, that's all that matters. 

    Well it wasn't my first MMO.  FFXI had that "magic" for me before WoW.  SWG had it for me before FFXI.  So...for me, your argument has no merit.  For you it may have been the magic of novelty, for me it is something else.  Something very tough to define but there none the less.

    As for Wildstar, it needs to be fun, entertaining and have longevity yes, but so far...all I've seen and otherwise point to it not having at least 1 of those if not all 3. 

     

    I said for many people the "magic" of WoW was simply their first mmo. Many does not mean all. Like you, SWG had that magic for me as well, but only because it was my first mmo. I sense you're going out of your way to demonstrate your infinite experience over me in mmos, so let me save you the time by conceding to you on that point. However, to dismiss the premise of my previous post by claiming the magic for you was "something else" is a total cop out. If you don't have anything meaningful to add, please do us all a favor and don't respond with condescending or vague replies. I will now return to my casual gamer corner and let you hardcore types continue to rack up your thousands of forum replies.

  • WizardryWizardry Ontario, CanadaPosts: 8,449Member Uncommon

    Red carpet dodging,already done in FFXIV,so nothing new there.

    Dodging is great IF done right,Unreal series started dodging and perfected it,GW2 made a joke of it with the rolling somersaults.

    Double jump is what ruined the unreal series,it looks out of place and imo just dumb,i never got into Unreal after UT99 just because of that double jump nonsense.

    Author thinks the red carpet does not dumb down combat,sorry but he is wrong,it most certainly does.You are NOT watching the field of combat,you are watching for the red carpet treatment of hand holding.In FFXI for example, the game that actually does combat HARD and intuitive,you had to LEARN each and every mobs tactics,there was and is no red carpet treatment to tell you exactly what it is.

    Besides that FFXIV is already doing it,so WS is not bringing anything new to the table.

    Aiming,well there will ALWAYS be a debate there,but since i have played pretty much thousands of hours of both,i can truly say that it depends on how interactive the combat system is.Aiming works perfectly in a FPS environment such as Unreal series or Quake or COD ect ect,it does NOT work well for a game that has intuitive rpg elements as such in FFXI for example.

    The biggest and most determining factor as i see it,is how easy a game makes leveling.If levels are so fast,they become meaningless,that means the game becomes meaningless.Levels and advancement should feel like they are earned,there should be a sense of satisfaction,it should NOT feel like easy mode handouts at the candy store.

    We will find out the real truths when the game is released,i personally have seen no indication the game will do anything amazing that i have not seen better in other games.Usually if a game fails a bit ,i can fall back on exploration or nice graphics,WS will not have that luxury,they MUST create a GREAT character and combat system because the graphics are not good enough ,the housing is not good enough it will be a one trick pony.


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  • RebelScum99RebelScum99 Mesa, AZPosts: 1,090Member
    Originally posted by Wizardry

    Red carpet dodging,already done in FFXIV,so nothing new there.

    Dodging is great IF done right,Unreal series started dodging and perfected it,GW2 made a joke of it with the rolling somersaults.

    Double jump is what ruined the unreal series,it looks out of place and imo just dumb,i never got into Unreal after UT99 just because of that double jump nonsense.

    Author thinks the red carpet does not dumb down combat,sorry but he is wrong,it most certainly does.You are NOT watching the field of combat,you are watching for the red carpet treatment of hand holding.In FFXI for example, the game that actually does combat HARD and intuitive,you had to LEARN each and every mobs tactics,there was and is no red carpet treatment to tell you exactly what it is.

    Besides that FFXIV is already doing it,so WS is not bringing anything new to the table.

     

    There is a WORLD of difference between the "red carpet" feature in Wildstar and FFXIV.  You aren't even close to being on point regarding this subject.  And yeah, if you don't like the "hand holding" of telegraphs, there is an option to turn them completely off.  

    FFXIV combat and Wildstar combat aren't even in the same ballpark to one another.  Not the same league, and not even the same sport.  

    Oh, and one other thing you are wrong about:  You absolutely, 100% WILL BE focused entirely on the field of combat with the telegraph system.  I'm amazed you could actually think otherwise.  The fucking telegraphs are ON the field of combat, for crissakes.  What else would you call it?  

     

  • elockeelocke Manassas, VAPosts: 4,205Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Isoman
    Originally posted by elocke
    Originally posted by Isoman
    Originally posted by elocke
    As much as I like the mechanics and features the game offers, the control style and aesthetics leave me wanting and this game just doesn't have that "magic" it needs to draw me in.  It's like it wants to be WoW but be different yet doesn't catch that certain "magic" that WoW had that kept me playing for so many years.  Come to think of it, no game since WoW really has.  Someone should do a study on what is the same in post WoW mmos and what is truly different and see where and what the missing "piece" is. 

     

    For many people, the "magic" of WoW was simply their first mmo. For others, it was the polished and well combined features of previous titles into one game. Post WoW, there is no mystery or originality anymore. It's been said time and again; been there, done that. The magic is gone. As long as Carbine makes a game that is fun, entertaining, and keeps me coming back for more, that's all that matters. 

    Well it wasn't my first MMO.  FFXI had that "magic" for me before WoW.  SWG had it for me before FFXI.  So...for me, your argument has no merit.  For you it may have been the magic of novelty, for me it is something else.  Something very tough to define but there none the less.

    As for Wildstar, it needs to be fun, entertaining and have longevity yes, but so far...all I've seen and otherwise point to it not having at least 1 of those if not all 3. 

     

    I said for many people the "magic" of WoW was simply their first mmo. Many does not mean all. Like you, SWG had that magic for me as well, but only because it was my first mmo. I sense you're going out of your way to demonstrate your infinite experience over me in mmos, so let me save you the time by conceding to you on that point. However, to dismiss the premise of my previous post by claiming the magic for you was "something else" is a total cop out. If you don't have anything meaningful to add, please do us all a favor and don't respond with condescending or vague replies. I will now return to my casual gamer corner and let you hardcore types continue to rack up your thousands of forum replies.

    Wow.  I wasn't even attacking you nor being condescending, nor trying to demonstrate any infinite experience over anyone in MMOs.  I merely pointed out that you gave 2 reasons for the "magic" not being there and I disagree with both due to my past experiences.  Not everyone is out to get you, you know.  At least not me.  The magic does have a lot to do with polish but it also has a lot to do with sheer amount of content and variation of said content.  WoW blew me away because I went through 3 different characters and still didn't see every quest in the game nor every zone on my leveling journey.  It was fantastic.  That and the music and sound effects were the best in the genre as well as character controls/feedback and UI interaction coupled with humor and an aesthetic which actually worked and didn't push me away.  I suppose that's the "magic" that all games seem to miss.  BUT, I bring up FFXI because it gave me that same "magic" just in different flavors.  I still remember the feel of FFXIs zones and the music and sound and the interaction with party members while leveling far more than I do my numerous characters in every other MMO aside from WoW since then.  So, the "magic" we're talking about here, CAN be repeated, it just hasn't been yet.  I'm waiting on the company who "gets it" to bring it back.  Just a matter of time now.

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  • XirikXirik Yorkton, SKPosts: 1,699Member
    Originally posted by CazNeerg
    Originally posted by Xirik
    Originally posted by CazNeerg
    Did I read that correctly?  "Get a smattering of words in quest text."  Does that mean it's not even fully voiced?  What is this, 2004?

    So because one game is fully voiced it makes it the norm for all mmo's?image

    One?  Catch up.  And even if it's not the norm for all MMOs, it is the norm for RPGs, and has been for years.

    and most of those rpgs only last at max 25-40 hours...

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  • Mtibbs1989Mtibbs1989 Fredericksburg, VAPosts: 2,920Member Uncommon

     I might not be the best writer here, but trying to read this article was the equivalent of trying to proofread a middle/high school student's essay. The first paragraph was alright but by the time I got to the third paragraph it was more about trying to make sense of the writer; rather than trying to actually read the article.

     Does MMORPG.com proofread these articles before releasing them?

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  • GuyClinchGuyClinch Sunnyvale, CAPosts: 485Member
    Game looks good. I am absolutely going to play it. I wonder if they will copy GW2 downleveling and dynamic events though. Those are pretty cool features - and better then WoW quest hubs. WoW leveling experience is much better then most MMOs but it doesn't compare to GW2s. Which is currently the only 'chill out and explore" MMO out there. Though TESO looks to have that kind of gameplay too.
  • RebelScum99RebelScum99 Mesa, AZPosts: 1,090Member
    Originally posted by GuyClinch
    Game looks good. I am absolutely going to play it. I wonder if they will copy GW2 downleveling and dynamic events though. Those are pretty cool features - and better then WoW quest hubs. WoW leveling experience is much better then most MMOs but it doesn't compare to GW2s. Which is currently the only 'chill out and explore" MMO out there. Though TESO looks to have that kind of gameplay too.

    I think TESO is going for more of a GW2 look.  Wildstar appears to be pulling more pages from WoW.  That may be a turnoff to some.  It's definitely a quest-hub game.  I'm fine with it, personally.  Just give me a nice-looking world to explore, and I'm okay having to go to hubs for my quests.  GW2 was basically a quest hub game as well.  They just packaged those quests better than we've seen in the past.  

    I'm okay with either style, as long as the game world is interesting and well-made.  

  • AzureProwerAzurePrower AustraliaPosts: 1,508Member Uncommon

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    Although I'm quite looking forward to this game. The wait and see approach still applies.

  • reeereeereeereee Posts: 1,203Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by RebelScum99
    Originally posted by Wizardry

    Red carpet dodging,already done in FFXIV,so nothing new there.

    Dodging is great IF done right,Unreal series started dodging and perfected it,GW2 made a joke of it with the rolling somersaults.

    Double jump is what ruined the unreal series,it looks out of place and imo just dumb,i never got into Unreal after UT99 just because of that double jump nonsense.

    Author thinks the red carpet does not dumb down combat,sorry but he is wrong,it most certainly does.You are NOT watching the field of combat,you are watching for the red carpet treatment of hand holding.In FFXI for example, the game that actually does combat HARD and intuitive,you had to LEARN each and every mobs tactics,there was and is no red carpet treatment to tell you exactly what it is.

    Besides that FFXIV is already doing it,so WS is not bringing anything new to the table.

     

    There is a WORLD of difference between the "red carpet" feature in Wildstar and FFXIV.  You aren't even close to being on point regarding this subject.  And yeah, if you don't like the "hand holding" of telegraphs, there is an option to turn them completely off.  

    FFXIV combat and Wildstar combat aren't even in the same ballpark to one another.  Not the same league, and not even the same sport.  

    Oh, and one other thing you are wrong about:  You absolutely, 100% WILL BE focused entirely on the field of combat with the telegraph system.  I'm amazed you could actually think otherwise.  The fucking telegraphs are ON the field of combat, for crissakes.  What else would you call it?  

     

    As much as I hate Wildstar for it's cartoony graphics and boring linear quest grind...  the idea... that anyone... would actually suggest that FFXIV's combat is comparable to Wildstar's is mindblowing to me.  FFXIV has the worst combat ever released by a AAA mmo while Wildstar's combat is the one thing the developers really hit out of the ballpark... and for some to suggest that they're the same...  Just ugh... 

  • WolfhammerWolfhammer KetteringPosts: 694Member Uncommon

    " it’s time to grab a fork and tuck in to Carbine’s Layer Cake."

    I don't know about you yanks but English people do NOT eat cake with a fork you heathens!

    Use a SPOON!

    O_x

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  • GazimoffGazimoff Staff Writer LondonPosts: 93Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Wolfhammer

    " it’s time to grab a fork and tuck in to Carbine’s Layer Cake."

    I don't know about you yanks but English people do NOT eat cake with a fork you heathens!

    Use a SPOON!

    O_x

    Dear chap, you have it all wrong! Firstly, it pains me to disappoint you but I actually am English, currently residing in one of the more modern parts of Hampshire. And secondly, you actually use a spoon? I'm not sure which part of this green isle you hail from, but such a flagrant breach of etiquette would certainly raise a few eyebrows in my neck of the woods. That said, the right tool for the job certainly helps; a smaller cake fork with bolstered prong is a definite boon when breaking up a slice of cake prior to consumption.

    A spoon? Heaven forbid...

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  • BacchiraBacchira MalmöPosts: 50Member
    Originally posted by CazNeerg
    Originally posted by Xirik
    Originally posted by CazNeerg
    Did I read that correctly?  "Get a smattering of words in quest text."  Does that mean it's not even fully voiced?  What is this, 2004?

    So because one game is fully voiced it makes it the norm for all mmo's?image

    One?  Catch up.  And even if it's not the norm for all MMOs, it is the norm for RPGs, and has been for years.

     

    What MMORPG besides SWTOR is fully voiced? And I mean fully, that includes your toon, not just NPCs.

    I'd really like to know cause I want to play it

  • pmcubedpmcubed Portland, ORPosts: 289Member

    "Taking down mobs one at a time could get repetitive but, if I’m clever, I can group up two or three and take them down together. "

    Is there any difficulty during combat with AI?  I think there should be a good medium between, for example - vanilla WoW - having to drink and eat after 1 or 2 mob kills and being able to AoE huge packs of mobs with little to no downtime...

    IDK, people criticize some games for their easy PVE content.  All we've seen in WS is level 1-15, but I get a weird sense it's going to be too easy throughout.

     

  • shalissarshalissar Pohjois-PohjanmaaPosts: 298Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by RebelScum99
    Originally posted by Wizardry

    Red carpet dodging,already done in FFXIV,so nothing new there.

    Dodging is great IF done right,Unreal series started dodging and perfected it,GW2 made a joke of it with the rolling somersaults.

    Double jump is what ruined the unreal series,it looks out of place and imo just dumb,i never got into Unreal after UT99 just because of that double jump nonsense.

    Author thinks the red carpet does not dumb down combat,sorry but he is wrong,it most certainly does.You are NOT watching the field of combat,you are watching for the red carpet treatment of hand holding.In FFXI for example, the game that actually does combat HARD and intuitive,you had to LEARN each and every mobs tactics,there was and is no red carpet treatment to tell you exactly what it is.

    Besides that FFXIV is already doing it,so WS is not bringing anything new to the table.

     

    There is a WORLD of difference between the "red carpet" feature in Wildstar and FFXIV.  You aren't even close to being on point regarding this subject.  And yeah, if you don't like the "hand holding" of telegraphs, there is an option to turn them completely off.  

    FFXIV combat and Wildstar combat aren't even in the same ballpark to one another.  Not the same league, and not even the same sport.  

    Oh, and one other thing you are wrong about:  You absolutely, 100% WILL BE focused entirely on the field of combat with the telegraph system.  I'm amazed you could actually think otherwise.  The fucking telegraphs are ON the field of combat, for crissakes.  What else would you call it?  

     

    action mmorpg's for soccer moms

    yeah you have fun with that.

  • TheocritusTheocritus Gary, INPosts: 3,750Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by geel
    I'm more and more turned off by these posts. I couldn't care less about the combat. I want all the other things just right. A cool world with cool mobs, cool loot and meaningful PvP. Seems like it will be just another A to B fetch grind to me with the occasional nonsense quest.
     

     I'm kinda tired of this game already.....THey are going to have to shwo me alot because right now I'm seeing WoW in a different skin and no way do I want that.....By going the direction they did with the artwork, they are always going to have the wow comparisons.

  • PyatraPyatra Kansas City, KSPosts: 644Member
    Originally posted by Gazimoff
    Originally posted by Wolfhammer

    " it’s time to grab a fork and tuck in to Carbine’s Layer Cake."

    I don't know about you yanks but English people do NOT eat cake with a fork you heathens!

    Use a SPOON!

    O_x

    Dear chap, you have it all wrong! Firstly, it pains me to disappoint you but I actually am English, currently residing in one of the more modern parts of Hampshire. And secondly, you actually use a spoon? I'm not sure which part of this green isle you hail from, but such a flagrant breach of etiquette would certainly raise a few eyebrows in my neck of the woods. That said, the right tool for the job certainly helps; a smaller cake fork with bolstered prong is a definite boon when breaking up a slice of cake prior to consumption.

    A spoon? Heaven forbid...

    We use our hands here in Murica!  Sometimes we just smash our faces into it.

    Birthday Cake In the Face

     

  • RebelScum99RebelScum99 Mesa, AZPosts: 1,090Member
    Originally posted by pmcubed

     

    IDK, people criticize some games for their easy PVE content.  All we've seen in WS is level 1-15, but I get a weird sense it's going to be too easy throughout.

     

    Actually, levels 1-34, not 1-15.  Still, endgame is a mystery at this point.  

  • bbates024bbates024 Phoenix, AZPosts: 80Member Uncommon
    Another good read. I really enjoy the way they have questing laid out from what I have seen in live streams and videos. I like the remote turn in feature, that's something swtor did with a few quests that was really nice and kept you moving forward while questing. The dungeons look fun. I can't wait to see the end game the only glimpse we really had was that vine posted by Frost that showed everyone running in, and it looked awesome!
  • jbombardjbombard SapporoPosts: 531Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Theocritus
    Originally posted by geel
    I'm more and more turned off by these posts. I couldn't care less about the combat. I want all the other things just right. A cool world with cool mobs, cool loot and meaningful PvP. Seems like it will be just another A to B fetch grind to me with the occasional nonsense quest.
     

     I'm kinda tired of this game already.....THey are going to have to shwo me alot because right now I'm seeing WoW in a different skin and no way do I want that.....By going the direction they did with the artwork, they are always going to have the wow comparisons.

    Looking at screens and videos gave me that impression too.  After having played it, it felt different from WoW the second I logged in.  They both have stylized graphics, but the game has completely different feel to it IMHO.

  • plat0nicplat0nic new york, NYPosts: 301Member
    This game looks like WoW 2.0. Same cartoony graphics in a "kids" world.

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  • uriel_mafessuriel_mafess neguritownPosts: 15Member

    All this hype with telegraph and combat I think that is going to become a letdown for a lot of ppl. The Secret World has almost the same mechanics, and even being fun, it ends getting boring.

    Also I cant help but notice that the world is empty. Terrain and locations have very little detail. Almost no weather, wind, light, grass, wildlife animations nor NPCs that could give life to a wolrd.

    Things gotta change a lot  for this game to be something more that a cute attempt to make an innovative MMORPG. As things stand now this game shouldnt deserve more than a 8/10 and that giving lots of points for his mechanics and being genorous.

    I fear for the worst.

     
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