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  • Crazy_StickCrazy_Stick Privacy Preferred, NCPosts: 1,059Member
    Originally posted by karmath
    Originally posted by fistorm
    Originally posted by Arglebargle
    Originally posted by fistorm
    Originally posted by Dr_Shivinski
    It's Elder Scrolls in name only. Don't get all excited over publisher hype videos. 

    I do because all the videos even the in depth ones show that this game is exactly like SKYRIM, and when SKYRIM fans realize this, I think this will be the most successful next  gen games, that sets a benchmark for all MMORPG's that come after it.

    I think you are going to be disappointed.   However, I agree with your original premise that it will sell like gangbusters, and make a ton of money.   Initially.   The question is where it will plateau with players once the intial bloom has faded.

     

     

    I hate to say it, but I think it is those who do not realize how close this game is to SKYRIM that will be disappointed they did not try this game, expecially if they are SKYRIM fans, to the gathering, to the exploration,  to the ADVENTURE ZONES, Heroic RAIDS, and dungeons at 50+.  Watch the official videos yourself and make your own opinion, don't let others tell you its any different,  the game company has never lied and has always done what its said.

     

    I think if your a SKYRIM fan, you should watch close what people say after the game is released, I think you will find its EXACTLY the fantasy all ES games the devs say it is.   I know you all are trying to look out for my feelings, but there is no need, its coming in three months, and I ask you to at least read all my posts in this thread after it is released and see how much it matches to what I speculate based off all the videos and things said by the devs, and the history of ES games.

     

     Good luck.  I think all I had to say and could be said is in this thread.  I find myself facing same things I proved with posts earlier in the the thread,  Take care, I'll check in from time to time till release.  I hope you enjoyed the many debates I gave.

    I seriously cannot comprehend your complete and utter blindness. Its like your trying to convince people the sky is pink with green polka dots. It's really on that level of stupidity.

     

    This one is pretty easy man. While one could still be dealing with an overly rabid fan boy, a view twisting the reality of the matter into the most marketable line on a consistent basis in an attempt to sell you or a specific target group on an item is pretty much a dead give away for identifying a shill or some one with vested interests in a product's promotion. Don't let yourself be had or used to further those aims.

  • someforumguysomeforumguy HomePosts: 3,540Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by baphamet

     


    Originally posted by someforumguy
    I am talking with the perspective from a PC Skyrim player. Skyrim is one of the few games I know that offer a ridiculous amount of gameplay freedom. Unmodded to some extent, but with mods you can even change the game basics. The only other game that I know which also offers a sp experience and offers even more freedom then Skyrim, is Minecraft.

     

     

    Will ESO be an Elder Scrolls game?

    Obviously.

    Will ESO be an Elder Scrolls game that meets the expectations of PC Skyrim players?

    I doubt it, maybe for a part of those people. But for many others, seeing other people running around will destroy their immersion, which is one of the most important things about Skyrim. You create the story in Skyrim, but the story is made for you in ESO, with others running the exact same story.

    Will ESO be a good MMO?

    Possibly. From what I've seen so far and read about it, I can imagine how it could appeal to MMO players who are not particularly fan of Skyrim. The themepark player will find some interesting freedom with character development. But compared to Skyrim (also because of the mods) it will feel restricted. Although for some Skyrim fans the added PVP and co op could be a nice trade off.

    Will ESO be a good enough MMO to warrant a box+sub fee in these times?

    I doubt it. I expect that initial sales will be good, but I am very curious what actions Zenimax will take when the amount of subs after some time will disappoint (which I expect ). Like many others I see small chance for ESO to stay exclusively subbased for long.

     


     

    not trying to pick on you, i don't have a problem with your post as a whole. but its funny to me when people act like they know the pulse of all skyrim fans and what they want in an ES mmo lol

    as if they are just one entity that all want the same basic things in their game.

    a lot of casual gamers like structured gaming, some people didn't do a lot of exploring and just went where the quests took them and when they stumbled upon a cave or something along the way, they would check it out.

    that's actually exactly how i play skyrim.

    you also have to remember that a lot of skyrim players have never played an mmo or wow is all they know.

    if the pvp area is a success, i can see it lasting a while for many people.

    as well as the fact that they can now play an ES game with friends, even if it isn't exactly what they are used to.

    I didn't present it as fact, just as my opinion. This should be clear if you carefully read my post. Also stated that it was from me as pc gamer point of view. I don't even have an opinion about how console gamers who played Skyrim on their console see ESO.

    I also think that most PC gamers have tried a MMO and are familiar with their mechanics. The themepark MMO mechanics.

    The first thing I said is that ESO is obviously an Elder Scrolls game. But is this the reason why PC gamers like Skyrim? There are many ppl who play Skyrim, but not any other rpg's beyond that. Just look on Steam for that. So, would ESO be interesting to them? Because why Skyrim and not other rpg's?

    My strongest opinion is about the price model though. But I suspect that they already made plans if the subs fail to deliver.

    EDIT: As for seeing Skyrim fans as one entity. I just didn't want to write all possible reasons why Skyrim fans have some expectations that ESO can't meet. The immersion thing for being alone in Skyrim was just an obvious example of the many reasons. I should have worded that differently now I read that back. But I don't see Skyrim fans as a group with the same opinion, or for that matter the same as mine. Just that ESO differs on some key points. Points that make a lot of players play Skyrim, but not other RPG's.

  • CazNeergCazNeerg Puyallup, WAPosts: 2,198Member
    Originally posted by someforumguy
     

    My strongest opinion is about the price model though. But I suspect that they already made plans if the subs fail to deliver.

    When, not if.  The market has changed too much for any new game to prosper long term on subs alone.  It's still the smartest opening play, but only until subscriber losses start kicking in.

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  • AdokasAdokas KristiansandPosts: 217Member
    Originally posted by CazNeerg
    Originally posted by someforumguy
     

    My strongest opinion is about the price model though. But I suspect that they already made plans if the subs fail to deliver.

    When, not if.  The market has changed too much for any new game to prosper long term on subs alone.  It's still the smartest opening play, but only until subscriber losses start kicking in.

    I simply don't share your thoughts on this. The market hasn't changed, more than it has grinded to a complete and utter halt. I personally believe people will pay for quality. I believe all the jumpers are because, most of the released games resemble each other way too much, bar the skin of it.

    I hope it'll change one day. But I simply don't believe it's because the market has changed in a non-sub direction. The market has grinded to a halt because of an overflow of the same package, with different wrappings, instead. My opinion, at least! :-)

  • muthaxmuthax mondaPosts: 593Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Crazy_Stick
    Originally posted by karmath
    Originally posted by fistorm
    Originally posted by Arglebargle
    Originally posted by fistorm
    Originally posted by Dr_Shivinski
    It's Elder Scrolls in name only. Don't get all excited over publisher hype videos. 

    I do because all the videos even the in depth ones show that this game is exactly like SKYRIM, and when SKYRIM fans realize this, I think this will be the most successful next  gen games, that sets a benchmark for all MMORPG's that come after it.

    I think you are going to be disappointed.   However, I agree with your original premise that it will sell like gangbusters, and make a ton of money.   Initially.   The question is where it will plateau with players once the intial bloom has faded.

     

     

    I hate to say it, but I think it is those who do not realize how close this game is to SKYRIM that will be disappointed they did not try this game, expecially if they are SKYRIM fans, to the gathering, to the exploration,  to the ADVENTURE ZONES, Heroic RAIDS, and dungeons at 50+.  Watch the official videos yourself and make your own opinion, don't let others tell you its any different,  the game company has never lied and has always done what its said.

     

    I think if your a SKYRIM fan, you should watch close what people say after the game is released, I think you will find its EXACTLY the fantasy all ES games the devs say it is.   I know you all are trying to look out for my feelings, but there is no need, its coming in three months, and I ask you to at least read all my posts in this thread after it is released and see how much it matches to what I speculate based off all the videos and things said by the devs, and the history of ES games.

     

     Good luck.  I think all I had to say and could be said is in this thread.  I find myself facing same things I proved with posts earlier in the the thread,  Take care, I'll check in from time to time till release.  I hope you enjoyed the many debates I gave.

    I seriously cannot comprehend your complete and utter blindness. Its like your trying to convince people the sky is pink with green polka dots. It's really on that level of stupidity.

     

    This one is pretty easy man. While one could still be dealing with an overly rabid fan boy, a view twisting the reality of the matter into the most marketable line on a consistent basis in an attempt to sell you or a specific target group on an item is pretty much a dead give away for identifying a shill or some one with vested interests in a product's promotion. Don't let yourself be had or used to further those aims.

    One question: if he is a shill (not questioning your line of thoughts) those peopel who spent 300+ messages pouring hate on this game (a game that they won't play) and trying to force their negative view on others, what are they?

    I feel sad for people who do this. 

  • muthaxmuthax mondaPosts: 593Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by CazNeerg
    Originally posted by someforumguy
     

    My strongest opinion is about the price model though. But I suspect that they already made plans if the subs fail to deliver.

    When, not if.  The market has changed too much for any new game to prosper long term on subs alone.  It's still the smartest opening play, but only until subscriber losses start kicking in.

    A lot of games still have subs. Maybe they don't have millions of paying users (but no game does, not even WoW if 4-6 millions play in China) but they still make a profit. The problem is that the average wowtard thinks quantity=quality

    They probably all eat in mcdonalds...

  • dotdotdashdotdotdash Llandrindod WellsPosts: 364Member


    Originally posted by TangentPoint
    Originally posted by SlyLoK  
    Indeed. I hope the NDA drops soon so people who are calling ESO just another themepark can finally see why they are wrong.
    Or.... they could elaborate on their reasoning, give specific examples, comparisons and explanations, and provide a compelling case for how they're right...

    That street goes both ways, and neither direction is a guaranteed "win". 


    As soon as the NDA drops, I'm sure there are those who will take the time out to explain why TESO is a standard themepark MMO, and a very different beast (one that lives in a massive heard and is fat and eats all day) to the single player games. They just can't do that right now. No idea why they respect such boundaries; the NDA isn't legally binding, as much as they'd like to think it is.

  • SoulTrapOnSelfSoulTrapOnSelf Ellicott City, MDPosts: 190Member
    TES VI will be as successful as Skyrim. TESO will be as successful as SWTOR.
  • Crazy_StickCrazy_Stick Privacy Preferred, NCPosts: 1,059Member
    Originally posted by muthax

    One question: if he is a shill (not questioning your line of thoughts) those peopel who spent 300+ messages pouring hate on this game (a game that they won't play) and trying to force their negative view on others, what are they?

    I feel sad for people who do this. 

     

    That's an easy one man. Chances are that if you actually find some one with three hundred posts hating on ESO for not being Skyrim worthy then you are dealing with this guy...

     

    image

     

    Be on the look out.

     

  • EinsamWulfEinsamWulf San Diego, CAPosts: 69Member

    @OP

    You wrote 3 paragraphs about Skyrim and then start the fourth with "Now that I covered the history of Elder Scrolls..."

    Just to be clear, Skyrim is the fifth Elder Scrolls and you in now way covered the history of the series. While I can understand and appreciate being excited for a new MMO you may want to tone down your praise until well after launch and the game has had some time to mature. Additionally as many others have pointed out ESO and Skyrim are not the same game and will most likely never be, that may or may not be a bad thing but from gathering the little bits of whispers from those in beta I'm not exactly overly optimistic about the game. With that said the game may end up being great but it is far too early to tell how well the game will do.

     

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  • rodarinrodarin camarillo, CAPosts: 576Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by dotdotdash

     

     

     

    As soon as the NDA drops, I'm sure there are those who will take the time out to explain why TESO is a standard themepark MMO, and a very different beast (one that lives in a massive heard and is fat and eats all day) to the single player games. They just can't do that right now. No idea why they respect such boundaries; the NDA isn't legally binding, as much as they'd like to think it is.

    There are people breaking the NDA some wholeheartedly, but the threads are instantly deleted because theyre mostly negative. That is why anyone with a brain knows that the POSITIVE stuff that is breaking the NDA being allowed to stay on sites is just more marketing hype. And the worst type.

     

    Anyone says one negative thing about ESO on any sight now gets emails and messages. Hell one of my accounts at Bethesda was banned, and I didnt say a single thing about the beta. But it was critical of the game in a blatant NDA breaking fanboy thread. Thread stayed as did the NDA breaking comments and I got an email saying I was banned from participating in the ESO section of the forums. LOL.

     

    Other third party sites, including this one are also cracking down heavily on critical comments. Because they get money from these companies and I am sure the pressure is there to try and keep the spin positive.

     

    Its crunch time and they know that this game is a complete lemon with a shelf life of a lemon in the middle of Las Vegas in August.

     

    The fact the NDA is even still ongoing at this stage, and the complete lack of OFFICIAL news from the company about what is happening or how beta was received or what theyre doing due to beta comments is another very telling sign. Again people can spin that anyway they want by citing past games and whatnot. But when games are truly breaking the mold and the developers are excited about what theyre doing and especially as a release date closes in on the two month mark the internet is abuzz with stuff. We still have crickets.

     

    Sure there was a stress test, but no one knows how it went, officially or unofficially. There is both objective and subjective topics that could be discussed. But nope, no one can say or do anything.

     

    Until people start making anti fan sites whose sole purpose is to break NDAs and give the real story about MMOs or at least their interpretations of them then its PvP on the forums here and at other third party sites.

     

    In the end though the opinions of people really dont matter. Unless theyre your friends and in that case I am sure many circles of friends have talked about this game amongst themselves. So the people on the forums who are critical arent really going to sway anyone, even if theyre the most vocal and seemingly most numerous.

     

    But people still love to voice their opinions and most Americans feel they have a right to do that. So that s why NDAs are hit or miss.

  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAPosts: 18,459Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by rodarin
    Originally posted by dotdotdash

     

     

     

    There are people breaking the NDA some wholeheartedly, but the threads are instantly deleted because theyre mostly negative. That is why anyone with a brain knows that the POSITIVE stuff that is breaking the NDA being allowed to stay on sites is just more marketing hype. And the worst type.

     

    Anyone says one negative thing about ESO on any sight now gets emails and messages. Hell one of my accounts at Bethesda was banned, and I didnt say a single thing about the beta. But it was critical of the game in a blatant NDA breaking fanboy thread. Thread stayed as did the NDA breaking comments and I got an email saying I was banned from participating in the ESO section of the forums. LOL.

     

    Other third party sites, including this one are also cracking down heavily on critical comments. Because they get money from these companies and I am sure the pressure is there to try and keep the spin positive.

    I think it depends on how you say it and where you are getting the info from. You can comment on any of the game play at PAX, you can't comment on the beta (which can be a difficult line to walk).

    As far as being called on the carpet for "negative things", twice I have submitted e-mails after their surveys, with positive but also with negative things, things I thought "were a shame" and twice I received very nice and encouraging responses. No banning me from their forum or their betas.

    I suspect the "honest critical remarks" that players claim are an issue are more about directly breaking nda or about "how you say them".

    You can criticize and comment on negative things without ripping the person/organization a "new one".

  • r3dl4ncer3dl4nce ...Posts: 114Member Common

    The truth about The Elder Scrolls Online.

    1. It's not Skyrim Online. Repeat. It is NOT Skyrim Online.

    Skyrim and Elder Scrolls lovers, you should not look at TESO just like the new chapter of The Elder Scrolls saga just with a lot of other players around you. If you think so, you will be disappointed. Creating a MMO is very different in creating a single player, in a single player you can do a lot of things just because you are the only human being playing, in a MMO some things cannot be permitted to let other people have fun (Killing NPC giving quests? no way. Modding every aspect of the game, from mob difficulty to graphical impact? No, everyone should play the same game. Just to name two game-breaking things in a MMO that can be done in a single player).  But a single player game CAN be adapted to play at its best in a MMO environment, and Zenimax has done a good work, with a big world full of places to explore (and in TESO you will have to explore, you won't be taken from quest hub to the next hub by progressing in the main storyline), interesting quests, dungeons to discover, tresures with treasure maps, events changing the world (you are called to fight invasor setting the town in flames, and you see the town where you have been before with alla buildings in fire). There are a lot of things to do in the PvE environment, and every single part of the PvE environment, from characters to quests, from environments to visual style, resembles all of what you can have seen in Skyrim

     

    2. It's not a WoW-clone. Repeat. It is NOT a WoW-clone

    TESO is a themepark MMO. Yes. But it's in no way a WoW-clone themepark. First of all, in TESO there are a lot of sandbox/freedom elements, from the building of your character with skill progression, to the exploration of the world, from the user interface so minimalist and that leave a lot of space to look and be part of the environment to the action combat system. Players who want to play a WoW-like experience, try to approch to TESO with an open mind, lokk at what TESO can offer and give you, not what WoW does and TESO does in different ways.Try to look at TESO as a different way to think a themepark, a game where levelling is only a nice addition to a great playing experience, try not to think only at what you can do at level cap and try to have fun during the journy to level cap, try to adapt to the TESO UI and do not miss the screen fll of action bars, minimap, indicators, quest logs, combat logs and all other things that remove your attention from the beatiful world you are playing in.

     

    I could make a 3rd point stating "it's not a DAoC-clone" because I'm sure that after release there will be a lot of threads full of features of DAoC missing or not working the same in TESO, but I did not play DAoC, nor I played AvA in TESO nor I am too interested in this aspect of the game, so I stop my wall of text here.

     

     

     

    TL;DR: The Elder Scrolls Online is not Skyrim, is not WoW, is not DAoC. It's The Elder Scrolls Online, try to look at it with this in mind.

  • muthaxmuthax mondaPosts: 593Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Crazy_Stick
    Originally posted by muthax

    One question: if he is a shill (not questioning your line of thoughts) those peopel who spent 300+ messages pouring hate on this game (a game that they won't play) and trying to force their negative view on others, what are they?

    I feel sad for people who do this. 

     

    That's an easy one man. Chances are that if you actually find some one with three hundred posts hating on ESO for not being Skyrim worthy then you are dealing with this guy...

     

    image

     

    Be on the look out.

     

    Now I am scared... really scared

  • muthaxmuthax mondaPosts: 593Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Sovrath
    Originally posted by rodarin
    Originally posted by dotdotdash

     

     

     

    There are people breaking the NDA some wholeheartedly, but the threads are instantly deleted because theyre mostly negative. That is why anyone with a brain knows that the POSITIVE stuff that is breaking the NDA being allowed to stay on sites is just more marketing hype. And the worst type.

     

    Anyone says one negative thing about ESO on any sight now gets emails and messages. Hell one of my accounts at Bethesda was banned, and I didnt say a single thing about the beta. But it was critical of the game in a blatant NDA breaking fanboy thread. Thread stayed as did the NDA breaking comments and I got an email saying I was banned from participating in the ESO section of the forums. LOL.

     

    Other third party sites, including this one are also cracking down heavily on critical comments. Because they get money from these companies and I am sure the pressure is there to try and keep the spin positive.

    I think it depends on how you say it and where you are getting the info from. You can comment on any of the game play at PAX, you can't comment on the beta (which can be a difficult line to walk).

    As far as being called on the carpet for "negative things", twice I have submitted e-mails after their surveys, with positive but also with negative things, things I thought "were a shame" and twice I received very nice and encouraging responses. No banning me from their forum or their betas.

    I suspect the "honest critical remarks" that players claim are an issue are more about directly breaking nda or about "how you say them".

    You can criticize and comment on negative things without ripping the person/organization a "new one".

    Don't pay attention to him, the only threads being closed are blatant violations of teh NDA and the flame fests some individuals are mounting up in their psycothic crusade to 'destroy ESO' and save the world or something

    Hell knows no wrath like a frustrated nerd (with small reproductive system)

     

  • rodarinrodarin camarillo, CAPosts: 576Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Sovrath
     

    I think it depends on how you say it and where you are getting the info from. You can comment on any of the game play at PAX, you can't comment on the beta (which can be a difficult line to walk).

    As far as being called on the carpet for "negative things", twice I have submitted e-mails after their surveys, with positive but also with negative things, things I thought "were a shame" and twice I received very nice and encouraging responses. No banning me from their forum or their betas.

    I suspect the "honest critical remarks" that players claim are an issue are more about directly breaking nda or about "how you say them".

    You can criticize and comment on negative things without ripping the person/organization a "new one".

    Big difference between doing a beta survey and talking about it on open forums. Same as the beta forums I am sure. I am sure people say a lot of things there that obviously wouldnt fly here.

     

    As for the comment above and 'trying to destroy ESO" LMAO yeah because random forum posters have that power. besides Zenimax is doing a lot more than every forum critic ever could think of doing in that regard.

  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard La BarrePosts: 3,549Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by r3dl4nce

    2. It's not a WoW-clone. Repeat. It is NOT a WoW-clone

    From all the official videos and information we got, it's more like a GW2 clone, but without everything that makes GW2 unique and fun, things like dynamic events, free roaming, and good action combat.

    It's actually amusing that GW2 is closer to Skyrim than TESO...

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  • muthaxmuthax mondaPosts: 593Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by rodarin
    Originally posted by Sovrath
     

    I think it depends on how you say it and where you are getting the info from. You can comment on any of the game play at PAX, you can't comment on the beta (which can be a difficult line to walk).

    As far as being called on the carpet for "negative things", twice I have submitted e-mails after their surveys, with positive but also with negative things, things I thought "were a shame" and twice I received very nice and encouraging responses. No banning me from their forum or their betas.

    I suspect the "honest critical remarks" that players claim are an issue are more about directly breaking nda or about "how you say them".

    You can criticize and comment on negative things without ripping the person/organization a "new one".

    Big difference between doing a beta survey and talking about it on open forums. Same as the beta forums I am sure. I am sure people say a lot of things there that obviously wouldnt fly here.

     

    As for the comment above and 'trying to destroy ESO" LMAO yeah because random forum posters have that power. besides Zenimax is doing a lot more than every forum critic ever could think of doing in that regard.

    LOL I didn't say you or others have a chance at that

    I just said that that's what you think.... and that's the saddest part

    Though really I was referrign more to jj82 and his 340 messages dedicated to "save the world from the abomination named ESO!!"

    That guy is so full of it

    PS If you had been in the stress test weekend you'd know how much bull your statement is

  • HeretiqueHeretique Posts: 1,101Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by fistorm
    Originally posted by -aLpHa-

    Skyrim and ESO are two completely different gametypes, i won't even dare compare them.

     

    Based on everything released and said so far by screenshots and devs, I think we can pretty much say they are  both worth to be ES games and quality of games every ES fan would expect from the ES franchise at the SKYRIM and above benchmark.

     

    Also paying box price of SKYRIM every four months as a SUB, would be acceptable to anyone who has a console, because WHO wouldn't buy atleast one console game every 4 months?  Because every four months sub would be the same as a buying one game very four months, or  3 games a year, that's not a lot of cash to have a high quality SKYRIM that you can live in with other fans and have NEW CONTENT for a SKYRIM quality game!

    Being an ES fan since ARENA and also a beta tester of ESO, this statement is completely false. TESO has "similar" aspects to that of the single player games but they are nothing alike.

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    are you have problem ?

  • muthaxmuthax mondaPosts: 593Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Originally posted by r3dl4nce

    2. It's not a WoW-clone. Repeat. It is NOT a WoW-clone

    From all the official videos and information we got, it's more like a GW2 clone, but without everything that makes GW2 unique and fun, things like dynamic events, free roaming, and good action combat.

    It's actually amusing that GW2 is closer to Skyrim than TESO...

    I love GW2 but I disagree. if you don't understand how ESO combat works is fine, if you didn't go round exploring is fine. Just don't make your personal opinions sound like a statement of truth because they aren't

    I like ESO because it's what GW2 could have been and isn't. I just hope devs stick to their guns (unlike Arenanet and the gear grind debacle) and ignore people asking to make this game different from what it is just because they don't like it and don't know how to adapt

    And jesus... ESO combat is AWESOME if you aren't completely useless at videogames

  • matiasvidalmatiasvidal SantiagoPosts: 16Member
    Originally posted by fistorm
    Originally posted by Arglebargle
    Originally posted by fistorm
    Originally posted by Dr_Shivinski
    It's Elder Scrolls in name only. Don't get all excited over publisher hype videos. 

    I do because all the videos even the in depth ones show that this game is exactly like SKYRIM, and when SKYRIM fans realize this, I think this will be the most successful next  gen games, that sets a benchmark for all MMORPG's that come after it.

    I think you are going to be disappointed.   However, I agree with your original premise that it will sell like gangbusters, and make a ton of money.   Initially.   The question is where it will plateau with players once the intial bloom has faded.

     

     

    I hate to say it, but I think it is those who do not realize how close this game is to SKYRIM that will be disappointed they did not try this game, expecially if they are SKYRIM fans, to the gathering, to the exploration,  to the ADVENTURE ZONES, Heroic RAIDS, and dungeons at 50+.  Watch the official videos yourself and make your own opinion, don't let others tell you its any different,  the game company has never lied and has always done what its said.

     

    I think if your a SKYRIM fan, you should watch close what people say after the game is released, I think you will find its EXACTLY the fantasy all ES games the devs say it is.   I know you all are trying to look out for my feelings, but there is no need, its coming in three months, and I ask you to at least read all my posts in this thread after it is released and see how much it matches to what I speculate based off all the videos and things said by the devs, and the history of ES games.

     

     Good luck.  I think all I had to say and could be said is in this thread.  I find myself facing same things I proved with posts earlier in the the thread,  Take care, I'll check in from time to time till release.  I hope you enjoyed the many debates I gave.

    I wonder if this guy even believes the things he's saying lol. Have you played the beta? Color me a hater, but TESO delivers a very different experience when compared to that of the past TES games. It's not even close to what you claim, an online Skyrim. It's more like TES: The MMO. Also, saying that everyone who played Skyrim will buy TESO is a -huge- stretch. Why?

    Because sub fees and MMO. Many players are not willing to pay for it, simple as that. It's not a matter of pricing, it's a matter of willingness. 

    Now, is TESO good? You bet it is, I'll be playing it alongside GW2. It's the next big thing in the MMO scene, and I am excited to explore it. But is it what you claim? Not for a minute, no. We can't be sure, but I see it going F2P already. There's just not enough MMO players out there to keep a sub game nowadays, is what I think. Too much too fast, so many games out there, it's hard to keep one player in one side long enough.

  • r3dl4ncer3dl4nce ...Posts: 114Member Common
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Originally posted by r3dl4nce

    2. It's not a WoW-clone. Repeat. It is NOT a WoW-clone

    From all the official videos and information we got, it's more like a GW2 clone, but without everything that makes GW2 unique and fun, things like dynamic events, free roaming, and good action combat.

    It's actually amusing that GW2 is closer to Skyrim than TESO...

     

    Dark Anchors are like dynamic events, free roaming is in TESO just like in GW2, obviously you will go in some zones where mobs are too powerful for you (take a level 10 char of GW2 to Orr....) and action combat in TESO is just an action combat, similar but not equal to the one in skyrim

    TESO is TESO, but if you prefer playing GW2 the game is still open :) I sold my GW2 after a month of playing, I did not like doing events without a single reson to do them only to zerg "big mobs", I want quests with a story and I want to feel I am the hero saving the world, in GW2 you are just a soldier amongs a lot of other soldiers.

  • muthaxmuthax mondaPosts: 593Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by matiasvidal
    Originally posted by fistorm
    Originally posted by Arglebargle
    Originally posted by fistorm
    Originally posted by Dr_Shivinski
    It's Elder Scrolls in name only. Don't get all excited over publisher hype videos. 

    I do because all the videos even the in depth ones show that this game is exactly like SKYRIM, and when SKYRIM fans realize this, I think this will be the most successful next  gen games, that sets a benchmark for all MMORPG's that come after it.

    I think you are going to be disappointed.   However, I agree with your original premise that it will sell like gangbusters, and make a ton of money.   Initially.   The question is where it will plateau with players once the intial bloom has faded.

     

     

    I hate to say it, but I think it is those who do not realize how close this game is to SKYRIM that will be disappointed they did not try this game, expecially if they are SKYRIM fans, to the gathering, to the exploration,  to the ADVENTURE ZONES, Heroic RAIDS, and dungeons at 50+.  Watch the official videos yourself and make your own opinion, don't let others tell you its any different,  the game company has never lied and has always done what its said.

     

    I think if your a SKYRIM fan, you should watch close what people say after the game is released, I think you will find its EXACTLY the fantasy all ES games the devs say it is.   I know you all are trying to look out for my feelings, but there is no need, its coming in three months, and I ask you to at least read all my posts in this thread after it is released and see how much it matches to what I speculate based off all the videos and things said by the devs, and the history of ES games.

     

     Good luck.  I think all I had to say and could be said is in this thread.  I find myself facing same things I proved with posts earlier in the the thread,  Take care, I'll check in from time to time till release.  I hope you enjoyed the many debates I gave.

    I wonder if this guy even believes the things he's saying lol. Have you played the beta? Color me a hater, but TESO delivers a very different experience when compared to that of the past TES games. It's not even close to what you claim, an online Skyrim. It's more like TES: The MMO. Also, saying that everyone who played Skyrim will buy TESO is a -huge- stretch. Why?

    Because sub fees and MMO. Many players are not willing to pay for it, simple as that. It's not a matter of pricing, it's a matter of willingness. 

    Now, is TESO good? You bet it is, I'll be playing it alongside GW2. It's the next big thing in the MMO scene, and I am excited to explore it. But is it what you claim? Not for a minute, no. We can't be sure, but I see it going F2P already. There's just not enough MMO players out there to keep a sub game nowadays, is what I think. Too much too fast, so many games out there, it's hard to keep one player in one side long enough.

    I don't think subs will be a big problem, mostly thanks to their server architecture.

    You see what 'kills' a MMO is usually:

    1) people scream because they have a queue and scream till devs open another bazillion servers (where no one goes because everyone wants to play on the servers marke FULL

    2) after 1 month locusts leave

    3) servers starts to look empty because they have the population to fill 10 servers but the Ragers forced the devs to open 3 times that number

    4)trolls and haters start to follow daily server status and graphing it to further prove that the "game is dying"

    5) game 'dies' (translated for non retards: game keeps living and making money but it doesn't have 10 million players so it's a 'failure')

    All of these points are less likely to happen because of the megaserver

  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard La BarrePosts: 3,549Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by muthax
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Originally posted by r3dl4nce

    2. It's not a WoW-clone. Repeat. It is NOT a WoW-clone

    From all the official videos and information we got, it's more like a GW2 clone, but without everything that makes GW2 unique and fun, things like dynamic events, free roaming, and good action combat.

    It's actually amusing that GW2 is closer to Skyrim than TESO...

    I love GW2 but I disagree. if you don't understand how ESO combat works is fine, if you didn't go round exploring is fine. Just don't make your personal opinions sound like a statement of truth because they aren't

    I'll destroy your arguments to microscopic bits once the NDA is lifted, until then, I will respect it, unlike you. Any combat video, authorized of course and not leaked, will prove that I'm right anyway.

    I like ESO because it's what GW2 could have been and isn't. I just hope devs stick to their guns (unlike Arenanet and the gear grind debacle) and ignore people asking to make this game different from what it is just because they don't like it and don't know how to adapt

    I've been playing MMORPGs since UO beta (and some muds before), I've played them all, theme park, sandbox, hybrid, so don't worry too much about be adaptation capability.

    And jesus... ESO combat is AWESOME if you aren't completely useless at videogames

    See you when the NDA is lifted. It's gonna be fun.

    Playing now: WoW, Landmark, GW2, The Crew, SotA

    Top 3 MMORPGs played: UO, AC1 and WoW

    Honorable mentions: AO, LotRO, SW:TOR and GW2.

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    So if you notice that I'm no longer answering your nonsense, stop trying... because you just joined my block list.

  • rodarinrodarin camarillo, CAPosts: 576Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by muthax
     

    LOL I didn't say you or others have a chance at that

    I just said that that's what you think.... and that's the saddest part

    Though really I was referrign more to jj82 and his 340 messages dedicated to "save the world from the abomination named ESO!!"

    That guy is so full of it

    PS If you had been in the stress test weekend you'd know how much bull your statement is

    Been in several of them actually.  I stand by my statement.

     

    But will add this, I doubt you have seen any other than the one this past weekend. So points of reference are non existent. 

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