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The fact that this game is under NDA says more about the state of the game than anyone breaking the

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  • VolgoreVolgore Posts: 2,209Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by DamonVile
    Can you name an mmo that didn't have it's beta under NDA at some point ?

    Trove - zero nda, since alpha 0.0.0.

    Actually they named the game and 2 days later released it to public alpha testers with no nda.

     

    Except that Trove isn't an mmo, no matter how the trionmongers like to turn it.

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  • neobahamut20neobahamut20 ste-julie, QCPosts: 336Member
    Originally posted by Sovrath
    Originally posted by neobahamut20
     

    Sounds like poor man thinking. Everything is a business, act accordingly, do everything for you and you only, screw the others. Poor people exist because they are easily dominated.

     

    But again "you know you are not going to get paid therefore there is no reason to enter in the agreement".

    If you truly want to think that "everything you do is about money then "everything you do will be and should be about money".

    You wouldn't be beta testing video games or even wasting your time as, remember, you don't want to be a 'poor man' you want to be a rich man, so you will maximize your income opportunities at every chance you can find.

    Remember, we are talking about the idea of "your word". If you word is there for you to make money then you will only be giving your word in instances where you can make money. That's a "commodity" that you are selling.

    Additionally, if we follow your line of thinking, you really aren't very business smart because, per the topic of discussion, you are making the exact amount of money whether you keep the nda or break the nda.

    Which again is stupid because, as you infer, you want to maximize cashflow at all times and not waste your time with endeavors that are not adding to your bottom line.

     

    That is wrong:

    You get to save money from the free preview if the game sucks. That is huge for a lot of people.

    People will pay you for your beta key. Sometimes not much, sometimes a lot. For the weekend, TESO keys arent even worth looking for a buyer, but it was worth much more a few months ago.

    People will pay you to leak (especially if in alpha) - There are blogs out there that get visitors from having leaks posted. Not everyone gets to have the convenient domain name mmorpg.com.

    The work you do for the corporation is minimal since they have the shittiest testing tools anyways, you really are there to give feedback so they can market the game better. You are really just an idiot to them. So might as well reap the benefits of being a tool and profit from it.

    Data miners also want beta access so they can create and test their mining tools since such databases are sought after by the players.

    Anything that can attract visitors to a website is worth money. That is the sole reason to get in betas, to sell out.

    Boycotting EA. Why? They suck, even moreso since 2008.

  • asmkm22asmkm22 Anchorage, AKPosts: 1,788Member
    Originally posted by JJ82
    Originally posted by asmkm22
    Originally posted by Xiaoki

    Carbine dropped the NDA for Wildstar for early levels and has had a bunch of other previews for the game.

    TESO has shown ....pencil sketches of armor.


    When an MMO is as tight lipped about everything just a couple months from release its easy to tell that are trying to hide something.

    It shows that they have no confidence in their product.

    Or it shows that they have so much confidence in their product that they don't feel the need to hype it up through beta marketing.

     Did you really just attempt to say that they are not trying to hype up TESO?!?

    Podcasts, youtube channel, Facebook page, Tweeter, massive amounts of interviews on every gaming site, having every TES wiki and fan site update their 2nd age lore with TESO story information........keep reaching buddy.

    No, I said they aren't trying to hype it up through beta marketing.  They're doing normal marketing stuff like anyone else.  What they aren't doing is trying to generate hype by turning the beta process into some early access thing.  Learn to read buddy.

    You make me like charity

  • vmopedvmoped Athens, GAPosts: 1,708Member
    Originally posted by asmkm22

    No, I said they aren't trying to hype it up through beta marketing.  They're doing normal marketing stuff like anyone else.  What they aren't doing is trying to generate hype by turning the beta process into some early access thing.  Learn to read buddy.

    This site is rife with people who complain when a game uses their 'beta' tests as advertisements, and now when a game goes back to a more traditional model of actually doing testing during a beta test its a bad sign...

    @OP: By your own logic you cannot compare GW2 and TESO because they are not utilizing the same monetization model.  No one is forcing you to give ZOS money.  Trying to convince everyone else this game will fail due to not dropping their NDA ~4 months prior to launch because another title did not is just immature and flawed logic.

    Cheers!

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  • MMOredfalconMMOredfalcon Mitchell, ONPosts: 132Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by nilden
    Originally posted by Doogiehowser
    Originally posted by nilden
    Originally posted by Doogiehowser
    Originally posted by nilden
    Originally posted by DamonVile
    Can you name an mmo that didn't have it's beta under NDA at some point ?

    Guild wars 2 lifted the NDA for the beta weekend events and lifted it for the press even before the weekend events in closed beta. It's not about having the NDA at some point but when they lift it. The fact that they haven't lifted it for this event is telling to me compared to GW2.

    Also I get that MMORPG.com respects the NDA so please abide by it.

    Edit: To further clarify my position. Guild Wars 2 lifted the NDA for April 27-29 and all beta weekend events after then released August 28th.

    GW2 had its closed beta phase too. You are assuming that alll MMOS follow same patterns when it comes to NDA.

    No I'm not. I'm comparing a specific example with dates and the same weekend events process.

    One lifted the NDA one did not.

    Guild Wars 2 Beta wiki

    Yeah so what i said. You expect ESO to follow same beta patterns as GW2. Moreover you are comparing an open  beta weekend of GW2 with closed beta weekend of ESO.

    Who made this rule that that if beta testing is on weekends it has to be open?

    Stop putting words in my mouth. I didn't expect ESO to follow the same beta patterns, I didn't assume all MMOs follow the same beta patterns.

    Guild Wars 2 could have kept the NDA. They didn't because they were fine with people sharing information about the game and didn't have anything to hide.

    Nobody is putting words into your mouth...you are doing it quite well with your posts. You are comparing ESO beta to GW2 beta. Basically saying that ESO isn't doing the same as GW2...so it must be hiding something. So if games aren't following the GW2 pattern, then they are hiding....

  • NildenNilden null, NBPosts: 1,284Member Uncommon
    Ok I won't compare it to anything then. I'm sure they just have the NDA there to protect the secret sauce and stop people from talking about how awesome the game is.

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  • RhazmuzRhazmuz Posts: 208Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by nilden
    Ok I won't compare it to anything then. I'm sure they just have the NDA there to protect the secret sauce and stop people from talking about how awesome the game is.

    The NDA is there to make sure Zenimax can control the public impression the game makes, and make sure that the public is not allowed to make judgments until they feel the game represents what they envision for it and is in a final state.

    Why spark judgments and impressions from a build which isnt final?

    Now, you can spin that whatever way you want, but its still the bare bones of it.

  • -aLpHa--aLpHa- KrefeldPosts: 852Member


    Originally posted by nilden
    Ok I won't compare it to anything then. I'm sure they just have the NDA there to protect the secret sauce and stop people from talking about how awesome the game is.

    To protect them from badmouthing is more like it, if i was Zenimax i wouldn't lift the NDA until release day, so they at least get some of the funding back.

  • FappuccinoFappuccino ErgensPosts: 159Member
    Two months and 25 days to go until launch and people seriously believe this isn't what we're going to get at launch? 
  • -aLpHa--aLpHa- KrefeldPosts: 852Member


    Originally posted by Fappuccino
    Two months and 25 days to go until launch and people seriously believe this isn't what we're going to get at launch? 

    I am pretty sure what you see is what you get, can't be far from gold status and they will send the client to get pressed into retail discs, they usually do this 3 months before release.

    There won't be any significant changes, in this stage of development they usually focus on bug fixing.

  • RhazmuzRhazmuz Posts: 208Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by -aLpHa-

     


    Originally posted by Fappuccino
    Two months and 25 days to go until launch and people seriously believe this isn't what we're going to get at launch? 

     

    I am pretty sure what you see is what you get, can't be far from gold status and they will send the client to get pressed into retail discs, they usually do this 3 months before release.

    There won't be any significant changes, in this stage of development they usually focus on bug fixing.

    And bug fixing isnt part of the overall picture? Bugs can be related to many aspects and systems in the game, which can put some people off if they see it in a pre release state.

  • azarhalazarhal Somewhere, BCPosts: 761Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by -aLpHa-

     


    Originally posted by nilden
    Ok I won't compare it to anything then. I'm sure they just have the NDA there to protect the secret sauce and stop people from talking about how awesome the game is.

    To protect them from badmouthing is more like it, if i was Zenimax i wouldn't lift the NDA until release day, so they at least get some of the funding back.

    NDA do not protect against badmouthing, nothing stop people form breaking it.

  • -aLpHa--aLpHa- KrefeldPosts: 852Member


    Originally posted by Rhazmuz
    Originally posted by -aLpHa-   Originally posted by Fappuccino Two months and 25 days to go until launch and people seriously believe this isn't what we're going to get at launch? 
      I am pretty sure what you see is what you get, can't be far from gold status and they will send the client to get pressed into retail discs, they usually do this 3 months before release. There won't be any significant changes, in this stage of development they usually focus on bug fixing.
    And bug fixing isnt part of the overall picture? Bugs can be related to many aspects and systems in the game, which can put some people off if they see it in a pre release state.

    I never made it out to be negative, just saying that there won't be significant changes in the game design/gameplay itself. Bug fixing is a big part no doubt but i don't think people are put off by bugs per se, i for one don't mind bugs as long they aren't game breaking.

    I play a buggy mess known as DayZ standalone right now and thoroughly enjoy it because the gameplay is quite good.

  • -aLpHa--aLpHa- KrefeldPosts: 852Member


    Originally posted by azarhal

    Originally posted by -aLpHa-  

    Originally posted by nilden Ok I won't compare it to anything then. I'm sure they just have the NDA there to protect the secret sauce and stop people from talking about how awesome the game is.
    To protect them from badmouthing is more like it, if i was Zenimax i wouldn't lift the NDA until release day, so they at least get some of the funding back.
    NDA do not protect against badmouthing, nothing stop people form breaking it.

    NDA protects them, just because there a few NDA breakers out there doesn't mean people will get the information simply because most people don't bother to look for it, i remember Age of Conan NDA was active until release and people where shocked at how god awful the game was and that game had more of it's fair share of NDA breakers.

    Remember just because we actively try to research our games doesn't mean average Joe will do it, if the Press/Gaming sites can't actively talk about a game because of a gag order, the general consumer will be ignorant.

  • MyriaMyria Lowell, MAPosts: 570Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by -aLpHa-

    I am pretty sure what you see is what you get, can't be far from gold status and they will send the client to get pressed into retail discs [...]

    Given that there will almost certainly be a day-one patch, not really sure that gold status or disc pressing means squat anymore.

  • No amount of polishing and hammering out bugs can save this game. It's gonna be TOR all over, except worse.

     

    I already feel bad for the people who will get this solely because they like the TES series. They're gonna be really disappointed.

  • danisheraserdanisheraser BallerupPosts: 16Member

    I am surprised to see how many people are so "all knowing". First of all, this game is not even close to SWTOR, so stop comparing (and yes I am in beta). Second, the game is not even close to Age of Conan, so stop comparing. Pull out that needle from your arm and take a few chill-pills. Your all exaggerating too much.

    The game seems to need a bit of polishing, but besides that it is very good. Of course there is an NDA, there always is in closed beta's. Stop complaining about it, like a small kid not getting it's candy.

     

  • -aLpHa--aLpHa- KrefeldPosts: 852Member


    Originally posted by danisheraser
    I am surprised to see how many people are so "all knowing". First of all, this game is not even close to SWTOR, so stop comparing (and yes I am in beta). Second, the game is not even close to Age of Conan, so stop comparing. Pull out that needle from your arm and take a few chill-pills. Your all exaggerating too much.The game seems to need a bit of polishing, but besides that it is very good. Of course there is an NDA, there always is in closed beta's. Stop complaining about it, like a small kid not getting it's candy. 

    Are you some kind of hypocrite? stating people are "all knowing" while you break the NDA and talk about the game and try to tell us that your opinion is the only right one.

    You aren't allowed to talk about it, at all, you can't even acknowledge that you are in beta.

  • DMKanoDMKano Gamercentral, AKPosts: 8,544Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Volgore
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by DamonVile
    Can you name an mmo that didn't have it's beta under NDA at some point ?

    Trove - zero nda, since alpha 0.0.0.

    Actually they named the game and 2 days later released it to public alpha testers with no nda.

     

    Except that Trove isn't an mmo, no matter how the trionmongers like to turn it.

    It is an MMO, it's just not an MMO by your narrow definition.

     

  • GinazGinaz Calgary, ABPosts: 1,731Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by -aLpHa-

     


    Originally posted by danisheraser

    Are you some kind of hypocrite? stating people are "all knowing" while you break the NDA and talk about the game and try to tell us that your opinion is the only right one.

    You aren't allowed to talk about it, at all, you can't even acknowledge that you are in beta.

     

    You are allowed to let others know you are in the beta but that's about it.

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  • danisheraserdanisheraser BallerupPosts: 16Member
    Originally posted by -aLpHa-

     

    Are you some kind of hypocrite? stating people are "all knowing" while you break the NDA and talk about the game and try to tell us that your opinion is the only right one.

    You aren't allowed to talk about it, at all, you can't even acknowledge that you are in beta.

     

     

    And you should probably pull out that needle. Call me a hypocrite, who cares. It's not me who goes all crazy because of there is an NDA.

  • HatefullHatefull Posts: 774Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by nilden
    Not letting people share information about the beta says way more than anyone who breaks the NDA could.

    are you...serious? You really want to say this? Just wow.

    If you want a new idea, go read an old book.

  • -aLpHa--aLpHa- KrefeldPosts: 852Member


    Originally posted by danisheraser
    Originally posted by -aLpHa-   Are you some kind of hypocrite? stating people are "all knowing" while you break the NDA and talk about the game and try to tell us that your opinion is the only right one. You aren't allowed to talk about it, at all, you can't even acknowledge that you are in beta.  
     

    And you should probably pull out that needle. Call me a hypocrite, who cares. It's not me who goes all crazy because of there is an NDA.


    Is that your only response? People should stop taking their meds/drugs? Grow a backbone will you, this is a forum so people discussing their opinions is the most basic thing, trying to insult those people by telling them they should stop taking their drugs and you being so oversensitive that you think everyone is "overacting", ain't really a mature response.

  • RattenmannRattenmann ReitmehringPosts: 510Member Uncommon

    The sad truth is:

    The OP is right in his assumption. The game is in an awful state compared to its release date. Not because it will not be finished. It will! Most of it seems pretty great and finished up. But the very basics make it a lackluster experience that only gets worse after you try it yourself.

     

    sad to see another big game fail for me (not talking about the mass market, talking about myself only).

     

    Oh well, but what do i know. All this is just hearsay from a friend of a friend,... ;-)

    MMOs finally replaced social interaction, forced grouping and standing in a line while talking to eachother.

    Now we have forced soloing, forced questing and everyone is the hero, without ever having to talk to anyone else. The evolution of multiplayer is here! We won,... right?

  • -aLpHa--aLpHa- KrefeldPosts: 852Member


    Originally posted by Ginaz
    Originally posted by -aLpHa-   Originally posted by danisheraser
    Are you some kind of hypocrite? stating people are "all knowing" while you break the NDA and talk about the game and try to tell us that your opinion is the only right one. You aren't allowed to talk about it, at all, you can't even acknowledge that you are in beta.  
    You are allowed to let others know you are in the beta but that's about it.

    Ok, didn't read the NDA in it's full detail then, thanks for the clarification.

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