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The fact that this game is under NDA says more about the state of the game than anyone breaking the

NildenNilden null, NBPosts: 1,284Member Uncommon
Not letting people share information about the beta says way more than anyone who breaks the NDA could.

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  • DamonVileDamonVile Vancouver, BCPosts: 4,818Member
    Can you name an mmo that didn't have it's beta under NDA at some point ?
  • PhryPhry HampshirePosts: 6,289Member Uncommon
    Oddly enough i am not aware of any game that was in anything other than Open Beta, that didnt have an NDA, and even some that were. If a game is in closed Beta, then it will always have an NDA in force. Have to be a bit new to the scene not to know this tbh. image
  • NadiaNadia Canonsburg, PAPosts: 11,866Member Common

    release is still 4 months away

    probably will be at least some sort of press open beta before launch

  • DoogiehowserDoogiehowser ParisPosts: 1,873Member
    Originally posted by nilden
    Not letting people share information about the beta says way more than anyone who breaks the NDA could.

    What a weird post. All MMOS are under NDA during closed beta phase before release.

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  • ItsabouteconomicsItsabouteconomics San Antonio, MAPosts: 16Member

    I cant comment on the state of the game but Im looking forward to Beta testing.

     

    Why are you so concerned about the NDA?  IF you wanted info on the game, it was so easy to get into the Beta your complaining about.

     

    I think all of us in Beta have an opinion about the Beta.  Im not concerned about anyone else and their opinion about the game to say anything about it.

  • KyleranKyleran Tampa, FLPosts: 19,987Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Itsabouteconomics

    I cant comment on the state of the game but Im looking forward to Beta testing.

     

    Why are you so concerned about the NDA?  IF you wanted info on the game, it was so easy to get into the Beta your complaining about.

     

    I think all of us in Beta have an opinion about the Beta.  Im not concerned about anyone else and their opinion about the game to say anything about it.

    It was? I don't recall anyone coming to my front door and asking me to please join the beta.

    Hey, they should want me in their beta, I'm just that good!  image

    Enjoy your weekend guys, give it a good shakedown.

     

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  • NildenNilden null, NBPosts: 1,284Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DamonVile
    Can you name an mmo that didn't have it's beta under NDA at some point ?

    Guild wars 2 lifted the NDA for the beta weekend events and lifted it for the press even before the weekend events in closed beta. It's not about having the NDA at some point but when they lift it. The fact that they haven't lifted it for this event is telling to me compared to GW2.

    Also I get that MMORPG.com respects the NDA so please abide by it.

    Edit: To further clarify my position. Guild Wars 2 lifted the NDA for April 27-29 and all beta weekend events after then released August 28th.

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  • JJ82JJ82 Chicago, ILPosts: 1,177Member Uncommon

    it IS starting to get close to the point where most of the major older MMOs enter open beta with a lifting of the NDA.

    AC1, EQ1, DaoC, SWG, WoW....all had their NDA lifted at around the 4 month mark with a few at 3.

    If TESO doesn't go into open beta in the next month, it will leave little time to hammer out the bugs you get from various systems and the game will have a poor launch like AO, AoC and a few others that had little open testing.

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  • MikePaladinMikePaladin NewYork, NYPosts: 233Member

    I guess they are polishing the content and don't want to spoil every thing plus to all GAMERS today are such DRAMA QUEENS and will start anti ESO campaign because they played Closed beta.

    Also why to worries people will buy the game anyway in near future nothing better than ESO so every one will give a shot. And again your speculation a non sens! Did you play the CBT ? No ? Well don't judge then

  • ItsabouteconomicsItsabouteconomics San Antonio, MAPosts: 16Member
    Originally posted by JJ82

    it IS starting to get close to the point where most of the major older MMOs enter open beta with a lifting of the NDA.

    AC1, EQ1, DaoC, SWG, WoW....all had their NDA lifted at around the 4 month mark with a few at 3.

    If TESO doesn't go into open beta in the next month, it will leave little time to hammer out the bugs you get from various systems and the game will have a poor launch like AO, AoC and a few others that had little open testing.

    Ahh,  the Holy Pentagon of Mmo's  have been brought into the equation. 

     

    Perhaps Teso will fail ,   if:then.  image

  • DocBrodyDocBrody EldridgePosts: 1,820Member

    I´ve agreed to some NDAs and at the end most of the MMOs were really good.

    Secret World for example. Ok that was not so polished at NDA beta but around 1.2 it started to seriously kick ass.

  • DoogiehowserDoogiehowser ParisPosts: 1,873Member
    Originally posted by nilden
    Originally posted by DamonVile
    Can you name an mmo that didn't have it's beta under NDA at some point ?

    Guild wars 2 lifted the NDA for the beta weekend events and lifted it for the press even before the weekend events in closed beta. It's not about having the NDA at some point but when they lift it. The fact that they haven't lifted it for this event is telling to me compared to GW2.

    Also I get that MMORPG.com respects the NDA so please abide by it.

    Edit: To further clarify my position. Guild Wars 2 lifted the NDA for April 27-29 and all beta weekend events after then released August 28th.

    GW2 had its closed beta phase too. You are assuming that alll MMOS follow same patterns when it comes to NDA.

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  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,197Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Kyleran
    Originally posted by Itsabouteconomics

    I cant comment on the state of the game but Im looking forward to Beta testing.

    Why are you so concerned about the NDA?  IF you wanted info on the game, it was so easy to get into the Beta your complaining about.

    I think all of us in Beta have an opinion about the Beta.  Im not concerned about anyone else and their opinion about the game to say anything about it.

    It was? I don't recall anyone coming to my front door and asking me to please join the beta.

    Hey, they should want me in their beta, I'm just that good!  image

    Enjoy your weekend guys, give it a good shakedown.

    I even asked to join so easy must be relative. It's okay, the game doesn't sound like it's for me. I don't like daoc style pvp and there are a few other details that sound iffy to me.

  • NildenNilden null, NBPosts: 1,284Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Doogiehowser
    Originally posted by nilden
    Originally posted by DamonVile
    Can you name an mmo that didn't have it's beta under NDA at some point ?

    Guild wars 2 lifted the NDA for the beta weekend events and lifted it for the press even before the weekend events in closed beta. It's not about having the NDA at some point but when they lift it. The fact that they haven't lifted it for this event is telling to me compared to GW2.

    Also I get that MMORPG.com respects the NDA so please abide by it.

    Edit: To further clarify my position. Guild Wars 2 lifted the NDA for April 27-29 and all beta weekend events after then released August 28th.

    GW2 had its closed beta phase too. You are assuming that alll MMOS follow same patterns when it comes to NDA.

    No I'm not. I'm comparing a specific example with dates and the same weekend events process.

    One lifted the NDA one did not.

    Guild Wars 2 Beta wiki

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  • PsychoPigeonPsychoPigeon UnkownPosts: 565Member Uncommon
    Just to point out - ArcheAge in Korea had no NDA, we were free to write reviews of our experience, post pictures and video. They had nothing to hid and it was great PR.
  • squalleonahasqualleonaha miss, ONPosts: 211Member

    in my life time experience. all game game that have NDA usu8ally trying to scam player, they scare to lets people know clearly about their games that why they using NDA

    FF14 was an example.

    they only allow nice thing like screenshot,wallpaper and some movie-making video clip.

  • asmkm22asmkm22 Anchorage, AKPosts: 1,788Member
    Originally posted by nilden
    Not letting people share information about the beta says way more than anyone who breaks the NDA could.

    I know, it's crazy that they're actually using the Beta process for things like bug fixes and feedback, rather than publicity and marketing.

    You make me like charity

  • furbansfurbans Tinbucktwo, IAPosts: 965Member
    Originally posted by nilden
    Originally posted by DamonVile
    Can you name an mmo that didn't have it's beta under NDA at some point ?

    Guild wars 2 lifted the NDA for the beta weekend events and lifted it for the press even before the weekend events in closed beta. It's not about having the NDA at some point but when they lift it. The fact that they haven't lifted it for this event is telling to me compared to GW2.

    Also I get that MMORPG.com respects the NDA so please abide by it.

    Edit: To further clarify my position. Guild Wars 2 lifted the NDA for April 27-29 and all beta weekend events after then released August 28th.

    So you are making judgements based on one isolated incident that was completely against the norm?

    Betas are 99.999 repeating % of the time do not allow players to discuss publically their experience since much of the stuff is an in process status.

  • LatronusLatronus Lexington Park, MDPosts: 692Member
    Originally posted by JJ82

    it IS starting to get close to the point where most of the major older MMOs enter open beta with a lifting of the NDA.

    AC1, EQ1, DaoC, SWG, WoW....all had their NDA lifted at around the 4 month mark with a few at 3.

    If TESO doesn't go into open beta in the next month, it will leave little time to hammer out the bugs you get from various systems and the game will have a poor launch like AO, AoC and a few others that had little open testing.

    While you may think you have a point, open betas are usually more for stress testing servers and hardware not for ironing out bugs.  That doesn't mean that bugs aren't found and fixed, but that's not the major point of an open beta.

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  • RebelScum99RebelScum99 Mesa, AZPosts: 1,090Member
    Originally posted by nilden
    Not letting people share information about the beta says way more than anyone who breaks the NDA could.

    Wrong.  

  • shadow9d9shadow9d9 Boca Raton, FLPosts: 366Member
    Originally posted by Nadia

    release is still 4 months away

    probably will be at least some sort of press open beta before launch

    If the release is 4/4, then it is less than 3 months away...

  • jdnycjdnyc Long Island City, NYPosts: 1,696Member
    Originally posted by nilden
    Originally posted by DamonVile
    Can you name an mmo that didn't have it's beta under NDA at some point ?

    Guild wars 2 lifted the NDA for the beta weekend events and lifted it for the press even before the weekend events in closed beta. It's not about having the NDA at some point but when they lift it. The fact that they haven't lifted it for this event is telling to me compared to GW2.

    It's funny because you're wrong.  GW2 has never lifted their NDA to this day.  They only had the Beta Weekends without NDA. They never said the stuff months before was lifted.  Only the stuff from the point about a month and a half before launch (through the weekends) wasn't under NDA.  Never went retroactive.  

    Your argument....null and void.

    Read your clarification.  You're still wrong.  What they did was Beta Weekends no NDA.  Closed Beta NDA.  Alpha NDA.  Closed Beta up to about a month and a half til launch NDA.  NDA still secure on Closed Beta except for press up to that point.  Alpha NDA has never lifted...ever.

    Alpha and Beta were running simultaneously FYI like most companies do.

  • JJ82JJ82 Chicago, ILPosts: 1,177Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Latronus
    Originally posted by JJ82

    it IS starting to get close to the point where most of the major older MMOs enter open beta with a lifting of the NDA.

    AC1, EQ1, DaoC, SWG, WoW....all had their NDA lifted at around the 4 month mark with a few at 3.

    If TESO doesn't go into open beta in the next month, it will leave little time to hammer out the bugs you get from various systems and the game will have a poor launch like AO, AoC and a few others that had little open testing.

    While you may think you have a point, open betas are usually more for stress testing servers and hardware not for ironing out bugs.  That doesn't mean that bugs aren't found and fixed, but that's not the major point of an open beta.

     On what planet doesn't "hammer out the bugs you get from various systems" not also pertain to servers and hardware?!?

    You are trying to hard to find fault in a post pointing out that the OP is wrong, it isn't time to worry yet, for those that don't already know the game blows that is.

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  • RefMinorRefMinor MyTownPosts: 3,452Member
    Originally posted by PsychoPigeon
    Just to point out - ArcheAge in Korea had no NDA, we were free to write reviews of our experience, post pictures and video. They had nothing to hid and it was great PR.

    Yes, ArcheAge didn't have an NDA throughout its beta process, there were player made videos all over the Internet.

    Elite: Dangerous hasn't even got an NDA for its Alpha testing phase( though it was partially funded by Kickstarter so an NDA against your "investors" might have proved problematic)

    NDAs are for companies who are sweating about the reception they think their game will get, if the developer doesn't have confidence in their product why should anyone else. If they were confident they would be happy to show what was coming and let the opposition do the worrying

  • DoogiehowserDoogiehowser ParisPosts: 1,873Member
    Originally posted by nilden
    Originally posted by Doogiehowser
    Originally posted by nilden
    Originally posted by DamonVile
    Can you name an mmo that didn't have it's beta under NDA at some point ?

    Guild wars 2 lifted the NDA for the beta weekend events and lifted it for the press even before the weekend events in closed beta. It's not about having the NDA at some point but when they lift it. The fact that they haven't lifted it for this event is telling to me compared to GW2.

    Also I get that MMORPG.com respects the NDA so please abide by it.

    Edit: To further clarify my position. Guild Wars 2 lifted the NDA for April 27-29 and all beta weekend events after then released August 28th.

    GW2 had its closed beta phase too. You are assuming that alll MMOS follow same patterns when it comes to NDA.

    No I'm not. I'm comparing a specific example with dates and the same weekend events process.

    One lifted the NDA one did not.

    Guild Wars 2 Beta wiki

    Yeah so what i said. You expect ESO to follow same beta patterns as GW2. Moreover you are comparing an open  beta weekend of GW2 with closed beta weekend of ESO.

    Who made this rule that that if beta testing is on weekends it has to be open?

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