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  • Caliburn101Caliburn101 LondonPosts: 636Member

    I love AoC for the detail and design of the armours.

    That said, I never enjoyed mass PvP in AoC - it was uniformely rubbish and required that you turn graphics down to Zelda levels of detail to experience anything other than 3 fps.

    I think the compromise Zenimax has made is good enough for me to immerse myself in the look whilst not crashing as I run into 50+ players in a mass skirmish.

    Of course, they have to acheive that... but I don't mind the compromises necessary to do so.

    We are a decade from networking, graphics processors and servers capable of running AoC levels of detail with hundreds of players on the screen at the same time.

    Patience...

  • Jimmy562Jimmy562 FlimwellPosts: 1,099Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by asrlohz
    Originally posted by Xarko

    It might also be a trade off for their character creator. It offers many kinds of body shapes, especially in torso part, from fat to arnold. I image it would cause many visual glitches.

    Thats not an excuse tho. Ive hated bodypaint armors all my time in wow and Im gonna hate it even more in any "next-gen" game.

    Very true, actually.

     

    I think they should have gone with less size and width customization and try to just make the races unique in their build. That said, I think it's nice that not every nord will have to be a massive hunk of muscle and brawn. But on the other hand, whom has ever heard of a fat Argonian?

     

    But, I think that the 'Bodypaint' armour in TES:O isn't too bad. And the term 'next-gen' is really nothing you should be using when it comes to MMOs. None of them are next-gen because of the massive development span. But yes, I wouldn't miss the ridding of slim-fit armours.

    The legends are true.

  • aspectofgoreaspectofgore umePosts: 17Member
    I guess ESO looks alright, but this post really made me remember how nice looking AoC was when it was released. Still looks good

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  • Terminus-EstTerminus-Est GlasgowPosts: 352Member
    To me, this is one of the most off-putting things about the game. My "vision" of the Elder Scrolls has now been so influenced by Skyrim that I find ESO's graphics and art style rather lacking. I think I will get over this after playing for a while, but at the moment this is one of my biggest barriers. 
  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Posts: 5,447Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by asrlohz
    Originally posted by Terminus-Est
    To me, this is one of the most off-putting things about the game. My "vision" of the Elder Scrolls has now been so influenced by Skyrim that I find ESO's graphics and art style rather lacking. I think I will get over this after playing for a while, but at the moment this is one of my biggest barriers. 

    I can assure you that it has a very lush and beautiful landscape, artstyle and barely noticeable "Bodypaint" armour, only clearly visible on cloth armour.

     

    The last part about the stretchy-thingy could already be seen in the first leaked gameplay of TES:O back in April the 19th where we saw the Soulshriven robe.

    My problem with the armor is its all dark and cryptic. Works ok for me but my wife says there was no thought taken into account for women playing. She would like to look pretty and I think not enough MMOs take the woman factor into account. Also I am not talking about skanky looking clothing, just something a woman would want to wear in a fantasy setting. 


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  • SawlstoneSawlstone barrie, ONPosts: 301Member
    [mod edit

    Elder Scrolls doesn't really do "pretty" and the armor is suppose to be functional. No offence but this statement is going to get flamed since there are many stylized mmo's that appeal to a female eye.

  • asrlohzasrlohz UddevallaPosts: 645Member
    Originally posted by Nanfoodle
    Originally posted by asrlohz
    Originally posted by Terminus-Est
    [mod edit]

    My problem with the armor is its all dark and cryptic. Works ok for me but my wife says there was no thought taken into account for women playing. She would like to look pretty and I think not enough MMOs take the woman factor into account. Also I am not talking about skanky looking clothing, just something a woman would want to wear in a fantasy setting. 

    I beg to differ, really. I feel as if the armour can be both colourful as well as complimenting to a female body.

    Albeit the following picture is somewhat dark and not pretty in the sense of beautiful flowing dresses pretty but it is very well adapted to the female body. [mod edit]

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  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Posts: 5,447Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by asrlohz
    Originally posted by Nanfoodle
    Originally posted by asrlohz
    Originally posted by Terminus-Est
    To me, this is one of the most off-putting things about the game. My "vision" of the Elder Scrolls has now been so influenced by Skyrim that I find ESO's graphics and art style rather lacking. I think I will get over this after playing for a while, but at the moment this is one of my biggest barriers. 

    I can assure you that it has a very lush and beautiful landscape, artstyle and barely noticeable "Bodypaint" armour, only clearly visible on cloth armour.

     

    The last part about the stretchy-thingy could already be seen in the first leaked gameplay of TES:O back in April the 19th where we saw the Soulshriven robe.

    My problem with the armor is its all dark and cryptic. Works ok for me but my wife says there was no thought taken into account for women playing. She would like to look pretty and I think not enough MMOs take the woman factor into account. Also I am not talking about skanky looking clothing, just something a woman would want to wear in a fantasy setting. 

    I beg to differ, really. I feel as if the armour can be both colourful as well as complimenting to a female body.

    Albeit the following picture is somewhat dark and not pretty in the sense of beautiful flowing dresses pretty but it is very well adapted to the female body. And if you look at the Bosmer heavy armour I think that it provides a nice, colourful cascade of beauty. I can't show you any pictures of it though.

    Wish I could say more or I would be breaking the NDA =- As for that pic ya its not bad at all. But fitting the female form is not all that is required to make some women happy in a MMO. Heck most of the time women are dressed like a whore. My guess is because there are more men gamers cleavage sells lol. I am sure if the devs sat down with some female gamers they could come up with ideas that would make them happy and fir the art theme of ESO.


    =-D Only on a forum can optimism be called bad and pessimism the good thing =-D Welcome to the internet and forums. 


  • asrlohzasrlohz UddevallaPosts: 645Member
    Originally posted by Nanfoodle
    Originally posted by asrlohz
    Originally posted by Nanfoodle
    Originally posted by asrlohz
    Originally posted by Terminus-Est
    To me, this is one of the most off-putting things about the game. My "vision" of the Elder Scrolls has now been so influenced by Skyrim that I find ESO's graphics and art style rather lacking. I think I will get over this after playing for a while, but at the moment this is one of my biggest barriers. 

    I can assure you that it has a very lush and beautiful landscape, artstyle and barely noticeable "Bodypaint" armour, only clearly visible on cloth armour.

     

    The last part about the stretchy-thingy could already be seen in the first leaked gameplay of TES:O back in April the 19th where we saw the Soulshriven robe.

    My problem with the armor is its all dark and cryptic. Works ok for me but my wife says there was no thought taken into account for women playing. She would like to look pretty and I think not enough MMOs take the woman factor into account. Also I am not talking about skanky looking clothing, just something a woman would want to wear in a fantasy setting. 

    I beg to differ, really. I feel as if the armour can be both colourful as well as complimenting to a female body.

    Albeit the following picture is somewhat dark and not pretty in the sense of beautiful flowing dresses pretty but it is very well adapted to the female body. And if you look at the Bosmer heavy armour I think that it provides a nice, colourful cascade of beauty. I can't show you any pictures of it though.

    Wish I could say more or I would be breaking the NDA =- As for that pic ya its not bad at all. But fitting the female form is not all that is required to make some women happy in a MMO. Heck most of the time women are dressed like a whore. My guess is because there are more men gamers cleavage sells lol. I am sure if the devs sat down with some female gamers they could come up with ideas that would make them happy and fir the art theme of ESO.

    There is no cleavage. This game is more respectable to women than it is to men. The even the thinnest of characters would still have bigger pecs than their heads. Whilst women will have natural bodies as well as realistic sizes. This can be gleamed from screenshots alone.

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  • HatefullHatefull Posts: 770Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

    Originally posted by Nemesis7884 it just doesnt look "next gen" to me or 2014 material...it looks like 2008 at best. Which is a real shame cause at least the art style looks a lot better than those weird first tries at armors and the environment really looks beautiful imo they nailed it with that! but the armors...meh - they should really hire the age of conan guy, he is a genius. besides the armor it seems while the environment is as said stunning, everything placed in it looks rather 10 years old...for example props. In one video they showed a basket with apples, and the apples were basically a flat surface with apples painted on it  - i mean cmon, thats not 2014...
    Graphics and mass Pvp events dont go hand in hand.... Its allways a trade off...  

    Fps shooters have it easy becuase they have much less different armors and much less people on screeen..

     

    the game has to run fluently on older hardware too...  

     

    There is a reason that mass PvP in Age of Conan is allmost unplayable...  And other developers have learned from this... So far only GW2 has had an engine to support fluent mass PvP..


    Lineage 2 had huge PvP events and ran well. Planetside 1 and 2, massive Tps/fps shooter. DaOC had big sieges and ran well. There are several examples, GW is not breaking new ground for massive flowing pvp.

    If you want a new idea, go read an old book.

  • IselinIselin Vancouver, BCPosts: 5,609Member Uncommon

    Ironic thread considering just how good the armor is in this game... best and most varied armor textures I have ever seen in an MMO.

     

    And not over the top with silly embellishments like what you get in most Asian MMOs.

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,195Member Uncommon
    The armour designs themselves look pretty good. I'm not a huge fan of batman suit armour (painted on look), but it's not a deal breaker. I think it would be better to have fewer armour models and do them better than more but save on performance by making them skins.
  • spizzspizz BlackForrestPosts: 2,587Member
    You guys have problems if you just look at these small details....pff
  • fistormfistorm Smalltown, WIPosts: 836Member Common

    What your seeing with the picture your posting is GRAPHICS SETTINGS set LOWER then MAX.

     

    I can tell because the TREE AND BACKGROUND look less then they do in the 1080p video FOOTATGE on other videos.

     

    Take this video for example.  SEE how HIGHER QUALITY the trees and objects are compared to the OP PICTURE.

     

    SET to 1080p when watching HD.  http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en/media/videos/659 MiNUTE 1:30 is a great EXAMPLE of HIGH QUALITY, ELF HEAVY ARMOR when set to 1080p! 

     

     

    HERE BELOW IS A FEW GREAT EXAMPLES OF HD QUALITY HEAVY ARMOR on MAX settings:

     

     

    http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en/media/screenshots/619

     

    http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en/media/screenshots/577

     

    http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en/media/screenshots/537

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    I'lll post more as I find them.

     

  • MikePaladinMikePaladin NewYork, NYPosts: 233Member

    Why most of the time they show first person view ? ungly animation

    Armors are sticked to body fact ! actually more like growing from character . WOW older content armor are more detailed and look more dimensional. 200kk HAHAHA

     

  • MikePaladinMikePaladin NewYork, NYPosts: 233Member
    Originally posted by spizz
    You guys have problems if you just look at these small details....pff

    Actually a good game is full of small details witch in final make  and bring an amazing feeling about the game Morrowind was about small details not graphical other but it made it a great game ESO have no graphics no old amazing TES details.

  • curacura WarsawPosts: 950Member Uncommon
    The reason for it is that models have extremely low polygons to allow more players on screen at once. Details are painted not modelled.
  • fistormfistorm Smalltown, WIPosts: 836Member Common
    Originally posted by MikePaladin

    Why most of the time they show first person view ? ungly animation

    Armors are sticked to body fact ! actually more like growing from character . WOW older content armor are more detailed and look more dimensional. 200kk HAHAHA

     

    LOL, you looked at ONLY ONE low graphics texture setting screenshot someone posted AND MAKE A CONCLUSION.......   look at the ones I posed above your post and see how dimensional that third one is.

  • ste2000ste2000 londonPosts: 4,699Member Uncommon

    The ESO graphics are actually good, the world is gorgeous.

    But I agree that the armor sometimes looks a bit too tight.

  • curacura WarsawPosts: 950Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by ste2000

    The ESO graphics are actually good, the world is gorgeous.

    But I agree that the armor sometimes looks a bit too tight.

    IMO the world looks almost like it was designed with last gen consoles in mind. Especially world textures are low res. I hope they have more detailed ones and better shaders for the launch. Not that the game is ugly, but im a bit disappointed considering its 2014.

    BTW, i think some of those OP screenshots were taken with shadows set to low.

  • Terminus-EstTerminus-Est GlasgowPosts: 352Member

    I know which one I think looks better

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  • NobleNerdNobleNerd Wolcott, NYPosts: 671Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Nemesis7884

    it just doesnt look "next gen" to me or 2014 material...it looks like 2008 at best. Which is a real shame cause at least the art style looks a lot better than those weird first tries at armors and the environment really looks beautiful imo they nailed it with that!

    but the armors...meh - they should really hire the age of conan guy, he is a genius.

    besides the armor it seems while the environment is as said stunning, everything placed in it looks rather 10 years old...for example props. In one video they showed a basket with apples, and the apples were basically a flat surface with apples painted on it  - i mean cmon, thats not 2014...

    Keep in mind this will be on consoles too. I know they have come a long ways, but if a few small cosmetics can be reduced to make performance better is it really that bad?

    With regards to the armor... YES I think they need to make it better. Armor is important to me. I see it all the time as I adventure. I want it to look right and look good!

    Right now what I really want them to look into tweaking is combat, jumping physics and animations.

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  • CannyoneCannyone Albuquerque, NMPosts: 263Member

    I have to disagree with the OP.  I think the armor in ESO is fine.  And whatever the case might be I don't want to ever see Huge shoulder pads like it WoW ever again.  Thanks very much.

     

    And to say that ESO's armor is like "Bodypaint" is real exaggeration.  Its just not true!  And I have to say that after all the MMORPGs I've played with "Asian Art styles" ESO's armor styles are a welcome change.  Maybe not "perfect" but nothing ever is... yet its at least different.

     

    Oh, and for the record, I don't remember AoC's armor.  Everything about that game was so painful that my mind has simply blocked it all out...image

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