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Forbes Predicting Biggest Disaster of 2014

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  • Crazy_StickCrazy_Stick Privacy Preferred, NCPosts: 1,059Member

    If this game were EA made, I would be wondering if some trolls were really paid trolls as in the past but screw that as I don't really care today. If I am honest, SWTOR failed. There is a reason Bioware went the way of the dinosaurs with only a skeletal rebranded remnant retained that will never meet the content release goals they announced before release. The bottom line is that for what they spent they didn't garner the returns expected and all those big names now work somewhere else. Its a free to play grinder with the gall to charge you for hot key bars and sell bikini panties for your characters in the cash shop to stay a'float. It is what it is. A horrible disappointment that killed the willingness of investors to take chances in future games because if a Star Wars MMO can't make it what can?

     

    So the guy at Forbes is a sci fi writer with two books to his name that he tries to hawk at the end of his article and no real game experience outside of playing. It's kind of like this site I guess in that he writes opinions the brand name lets us take seriously for a while. I will even concede that he makes decent points regarding the business model but ultimately his snarky attitude with the developer return comments at the end leave me feeling he is too high on himself and ZOS too much on the defensive already. They read like they are about to have a twitter war.

     

    *Strawberry Cup Cakes* man I can write a better article than the Forbes guy... Pfft.

     

    There are a lot of troubling details about TESO that leave a large portion of the pundits and forum warriors looking at this title as if it is the most likely to fail. I lean that way myself, it's a disaster waiting to happen. But if you are going to write an official opinion on a big name site for a feature article at least take the time to do it right and with a degree of professionalism.

  • PigglesworthPigglesworth Delaware, OHPosts: 257Member Uncommon
    ESO may not bring anything especially new to the genre, but it does bring almost all the best ideas into one place.

    Think of it as a "best practices" MMO.

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  • keithiankeithian Los Angeles, CAPosts: 3,042Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by SoulTrapOnSelf

    Seems many around here haven't beta tested the game. I hope you guys get to play the game in open beta. It should be around Feb/March. NDA hasn't been lifted of course. Zenimax is just avoiding an eventual shit storm. Guild members and other Alliances called quit. Unless Zenimax changes the atrocious PvE and classes, which I doubt it, Forbes will be laughing at you. Enough with the PvE dumbing down. Dull characters, a sorcerer that can't cast an invisibility spell butt he Nightblade can. Sorcerer can't cast a fear spell, the Nightblade can. What is goin on? A sorcerer that needs a fire staff to cast a fireball, a frost staff to cast frost spells? Really? No underwater exploration. Well, exploration doesn't exist!

    You gotta play it so you can see this nonsense. Here's hoping Bethesda doesn't crap on TES VI !!

     

    /back to Skyrim

    It so happens that in Lord of the Rings, Gandalf couldn't cast anything without his staff, so there! lol.

    There Is Always Hope!

  • ComafComaf Chicago, ILPosts: 1,154Member Common

    1.  He is using SW:ToR as his example of how something so potentially viable can fail.  This would be fine, IF considering that had SW:ToR been a fun title (and it was god awful, sorry Star Wars LARP/COSPLAY folks, the game did you no justice), this would be a viable argument.  "Here's this great game that failed," this guy is saying.  Reality is that you can hang a sign on a pig and call it a horse...and that's what the industry has done for years.  SW:ToR was a pig of a game, and I mean that in the nicest of ways.  Just processed E-Sport nonsense. 

     

    2.  If TESO keeps their fail UI/combat/movement mechanics model, and even that awkward side view of the character while you're moving in 3rd person...then yes, this game is doomed to be a niche game at best where folks like me will play (yes, I will play) and do their best to ignore the above.

     

    But telling the readers that F2P is the savior of the industry is a flat out lie.  If this guy even plays mmo video games ( I refuse to call them RPGs anymore), he should well know what happens when the flood gates of bots and children fill a f2P cash shop Pay to Win universe of linear gaming.  Monthly subs don't necessarily make a better game, but they are at least a thumb in the leak at the dam wall...the game still needs to not be crap (still waiting)...

     

    F2P is fail in itself and over time I believe even the American base of players who seem to love being stroked by countless 5 race 4 copy paste classes will start to get wise while they get older.  F2P belongs in the video game system industry...XBOX, PS4, and so forth.  That's the population they are aiming at anyway.

     

    So far, the folks at Zenimax, while horribly lost on the basics of their game (sigh...dammit!), have enough faith in their title to avoid the cash shop Asian tidal wave that has consumed so many lesser projects.

     

     

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  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAPosts: 18,455Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Comaf

     

    2.  If TESO keeps their fail UI/combat/movement mechanics model, and even that awkward side view of the character while you're moving in 3rd person...then yes, this game is doomed to be a niche game at best where folks like me will play (yes, I will play) and do their best to ignore the above.

     

     

    Except people like/love that (including myself) so there is no universal merit to your statement except that you don't like it.

    the UI/combat/movement is probably based a bit off skyrim (to a point) as well as the slightly offside character in 3rd person. And I don't recall that particularly being an issue (it had other UI issues because of the port).

  • greenreengreenreen Punchoo, AKPosts: 2,101Member Uncommon

    Someone commented in that article that there were 4 million people signing up for beta - dat true?

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    Poster - 1 hour ago

    Don’t presume to tell us what we want. 1.7m likes on facebook and 4m beta applications say different.

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    Imagine if they all came to the game on day 1 - nothing is going to be around to kill lol
  • PigglesworthPigglesworth Delaware, OHPosts: 257Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by greenreen

    Someone commented in that article that there were 4 million people signing up for beta - dat true?

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    Poster - 1 hour ago

    Don’t presume to tell us what we want. 1.7m likes on facebook and 4m beta applications say different.

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    Imagine if they all came to the game on day 1 - nothing is going to be around to kill lol

    Most games boost the spawn rates for the first few weeks, especially in the starting zones.

    Also, the phasing will stop everyone from coming into the same place.

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  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 13,666Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Celcius
    That article is more about claiming the sub model is dead then using specific reasons as to why the game will be a big disaster. 

    That was my takeaway, too. 

     

    There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
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  • JJ82JJ82 Chicago, ILPosts: 1,177Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Pigglesworth
    ESO may not bring anything especially new to the genre, but it does bring almost all the best ideas into one place.

    Think of it as a "best practices" MMO.

     

    "The definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results."

    Sums up most of the genre lately, the same pile of crap in a new package. So making yet another game with old ideas is going to do what? The same as all the other games that have done that the last 7 years.

    "People who tell you you’re awesome are useless. No, dangerous.

    They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
    http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/

  • PigglesworthPigglesworth Delaware, OHPosts: 257Member Uncommon
    Nothing new is coming out until EQNext. So, might as well sit back and enjoy playing ESO while you wait.

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  • Crazy_StickCrazy_Stick Privacy Preferred, NCPosts: 1,059Member
    Originally posted by Pigglesworth
    Nothing new is coming out until EQNext. So, might as well sit back and enjoy playing ESO while you wait.

     

    Why not just play Skyrim?

  • PigglesworthPigglesworth Delaware, OHPosts: 257Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Crazy_Stick
    Originally posted by Pigglesworth
    Nothing new is coming out until EQNext. So, might as well sit back and enjoy playing ESO while you wait.

     

    Why not just play Skyrim?

    I prefer MMOs.

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  • DamonVileDamonVile Vancouver, BCPosts: 4,818Member
    Originally posted by JJ82
    Originally posted by Pigglesworth
    ESO may not bring anything especially new to the genre, but it does bring almost all the best ideas into one place.

    Think of it as a "best practices" MMO.

     

    "The definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results."

    Sums up most of the genre lately, the same pile of crap in a new package. So making yet another game with old ideas is going to do what? The same as all the other games that have done that the last 7 years.

    That isn't the definition of madness. It's just a quote from a very famous person taking a shot at some researchers.

    And most of you seem to say making the same pile of crap using old ideas is why the genre is dying, what they really need to do is make a game with even older ideas and that's what people want.

    I think a more appropriate famous quot for the forum going mmo genre is...

    If I asked them what they wanted, they would of said faster horses.

  • RebelScum99RebelScum99 Mesa, AZPosts: 1,090Member
    I know I get all my gaming news from Forbes.  
  • sakersaker harrisburg, PAPosts: 993Member Uncommon

    A very right-wing "organization", there must be sum libruls in dat-der elder-scrulls socilizt compannies deys gots a bones-ta-pik wit!

  • QuesaQuesa Sacramento, CAPosts: 1,246Member
    You guys need to remember, this dude is a CONTRIBUTOR which means he's some internet blogger who writes articles and gets them posted.  I can't tell you how many of these contributors have had bad grammar and spelling in their articles as well as extreme bias's, which this seems to have.  The guy hates the sub model, there isn't really anything else in there that says why ESO itself will be a failure.  For fucks-sake he uses SWTOR as an example, I mean, could you try to compare two games further apart?
  • JJ82JJ82 Chicago, ILPosts: 1,177Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DamonVile

    That isn't the definition of madness. It's just a quote from a very famous person taking a shot at some researchers.

    And most of you seem to say making the same pile of crap using old ideas is why the genre is dying, what they really need to do is make a game with even older ideas and that's what people want.

    You mean Albert Einstein..............

    And your idea is to go back to making games like they were before the vast majority of players started playing MMOs, because that's what they want. No, its what YOU want because you have rose colored glasses on. Prove it, go back to playing DaoC, UO, EQ1 or AC1 and see how long you can stomach it. They are all still going. Go on, your style of game is still going. And also, TESO is not doing that. They are making a typical MMORPG the like of which has been done a dozen times already, the kind YOU stopped playing because its the same old tried thing.

    "People who tell you you’re awesome are useless. No, dangerous.

    They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
    http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/

  • Sircampsalot08Sircampsalot08 el segundo, CAPosts: 20Member
    Originally posted by Ice-Queen
    I think he has a point somewhat. Console players absolutely will not pay a monthly subscription fee to play it. They're just not that type of gamer, they're the pay $60 for a game, play it til they beat it, then move on type of gamers.

    I think MMOs like FFXI and FFXIV have shown console gamers will pay a monthly subscription to play a game.

    SirCampsalot

  • DamonVileDamonVile Vancouver, BCPosts: 4,818Member
    Originally posted by JJ82
    Originally posted by DamonVile

    That isn't the definition of madness. It's just a quote from a very famous person taking a shot at some researchers.

    And most of you seem to say making the same pile of crap using old ideas is why the genre is dying, what they really need to do is make a game with even older ideas and that's what people want.

    You mean Albert Einstein..............

    And your idea is to go back to making games like they were before the vast majority of players started playing MMOs, because that's what they want. No, its what YOU want because you have rose colored glasses on. Prove it, go back to playing DaoC, UO, EQ1 or AC1 and see how long you can stomach it. They are all still going. Go on, your style of game is still going. And also, TESO is not doing that. They are making a typical MMORPG the like of which has been done a dozen times already, the kind YOU stopped playing because its the same old tried thing.

    Yup Albert Einstein /golfclap. Everything else...well..see the comma ? it's not me saying I want it. Keep reading and it might make more sense.

  • JJ82JJ82 Chicago, ILPosts: 1,177Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DamonVile
    Originally posted by JJ82
    Originally posted by DamonVile

    That isn't the definition of madness. It's just a quote from a very famous person taking a shot at some researchers.

    And most of you seem to say making the same pile of crap using old ideas is why the genre is dying, what they really need to do is make a game with even older ideas and that's what people want.

    You mean Albert Einstein..............

    And your idea is to go back to making games like they were before the vast majority of players started playing MMOs, because that's what they want. No, its what YOU want because you have rose colored glasses on. Prove it, go back to playing DaoC, UO, EQ1 or AC1 and see how long you can stomach it. They are all still going. Go on, your style of game is still going. And also, TESO is not doing that. They are making a typical MMORPG the like of which has been done a dozen times already, the kind YOU stopped playing because its the same old tried thing.

    Yup Albert Einstein /golfclap. Everything else...well..see the comma ? it's not me saying I want it. Keep reading and it might make more sense.

     You mean the part that's underlined in my post where I talk about whats after the comma........you know, where you said they need to make even older ideas because that's what people want.

    "People who tell you you’re awesome are useless. No, dangerous.

    They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
    http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/

  • MalviousMalvious Knoxville, TNPosts: 207Member Uncommon
    I am sceptical about any mmo that came out the past 2 years and continue to be sceptical through 2014 towards any mmo.

    Fine, we'll compromise. I'll get my way & you'll find a way to be okay with that.

  • DamonVileDamonVile Vancouver, BCPosts: 4,818Member
    Originally posted by JJ82
    Originally posted by DamonVile
    Originally posted by JJ82
    Originally posted by DamonVile

    That isn't the definition of madness. It's just a quote from a very famous person taking a shot at some researchers.

    And most of you seem to say making the same pile of crap using old ideas is why the genre is dying, what they really need to do is make a game with even older ideas and that's what people want.

    You mean Albert Einstein..............

    And your idea is to go back to making games like they were before the vast majority of players started playing MMOs, because that's what they want. No, its what YOU want because you have rose colored glasses on. Prove it, go back to playing DaoC, UO, EQ1 or AC1 and see how long you can stomach it. They are all still going. Go on, your style of game is still going. And also, TESO is not doing that. They are making a typical MMORPG the like of which has been done a dozen times already, the kind YOU stopped playing because its the same old tried thing.

    Yup Albert Einstein /golfclap. Everything else...well..see the comma ? it's not me saying I want it. Keep reading and it might make more sense.

     You mean the part that's underlined in my post where I talk about whats after the comma........you know, where you said they need to make even older ideas because that's what people want.

    It's part of the same sentence genius. It's a comma.....  It's, most of you say.....everything you quoted....look at the rest of the post that you cut out. Look at the other quote I put at the end.

    I didn't say I want them to use even older ideas. I said it's what people are asking for.

  • NobleNerdNobleNerd Wolcott, NYPosts: 671Member Uncommon

    some of the points and concerns are valid, but I will step out on a limb and say he is wrong in assuming most people are stepping away from subscription based MMOs. I have tried to jump on this wagon of F2P gaming and as many as I have tried and played, I still prefer my MMOs with subscriptions. I cannot name ONE F2P MMO that I have enjoyed playing on a regular basis for at least 1 year. Usually the restrictions, quality of gameplay and the cash shops turn me off.

     

    I may not jump right into ESO on day one, but I have played the betas so far and like the direction they are going. After the last beta I had an empty hole that just was not filled by other games.

     

    For now I will play FFXIV and enjoy.

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  • RoxtarrRoxtarr Freeland, MI, MIPosts: 1,122Member

    The article was nothing more than more anti-sub fee whining. 

    If the game is good, people will pay - if it is, they'll leave. The only thing that will doom ESO is if the game doesn't live up to deserving a sub.

    If in 1982 we played with the current mentality, we would have burned down all the pac man games since the red ghost was clearly OP. Instead we just got better at the game.
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  • phoenix_genma_kenphoenix_genma_ken everPosts: 34Member
    Originally posted by DocBrody

    It will be a lot better than SWTOR for sure, that can be seen easily from gameplay footage already, so it won´t fail as hard as SWTOR.

     

    No one can beat the level of fail that SWTOR was, not even TESO. But it will switch to buy to play and paid DLCs soon after launch, probably similiar to TSW which is running great now and has lots of players.

    swtor was a failure at start but its doing great now

    and btw how the tsw is doing "great" ? it has x2 less playerbase than swtor lol

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