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Forbes Predicting Biggest Disaster of 2014

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  • XAPKenXAPKen Northwest, INPosts: 4,896Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Loktofeit
     

    Get informed. Read about a writer and actually read their work before slapping at keys to suggest they have an unethical agenda or are on the take. ZombieKen, you're not a Millenial. You know how to do research. That post was below you. 

     

    Editorials always have an agenda, that's why they are printed as opinion pieces rather than news.  On investment sites, that agenda tends to be related to corporate investing.

     

    The push is pretty clear. "Predicting The Biggest Video Game Disaster Of 2014: The Elder Scrolls Online"  The guy is supporting the prediction that the game will be a disaster. 

     

    ZOMG, Zenimax spent 200 million on this game image  It's going to fail.

     

    The article makes Zenimax looks unwise for making a heavy investment, and implies that the game will be another SWTOR.  The article running on an investment site implies a connection to stocks.

     

    The OP asked why would he do this?

     

    I think my conclusion is reasonable speculation.  Editorial journalist scaremongers investors with current or potential interest in companies in the gaming industry.  From my perspective, it looks rather obvious.

     


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  • greenreengreenreen Punchoo, AKPosts: 2,101Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Mardukk
    Originally posted by greenreen
    Originally posted by cnutemp

    I think they may be right.   TESO brings nothing new to the table other than their IP.  Quest hub grinding to max level then 3 faction pvp?  Sounds like guild wars 2, and I already have that game.

    ...snip

    I haven't even seen but two videos on this and about 4 articles. I've gathered all that and having played GW2, I can spot that this is better.

    I'm hoping for PvE in the PvP zone, that drops better unique rewards not found elsewhere in the world.  Should be better than GW2 at least.  

     

    Not sure if the game will flop or not.  It all really depends on the PvP zone.  The PvE isn't looking to be anything much different, unfortunately.  At least the game doesn't have overly stylized gfx and there is more of a focus on first person mouse look combat over zoomed out 30,000 feet over the character.

    You might like the master dungeons then, they said the rewards will be different there. Here's a video that includes discussion on it from a girl working on the game, they go thru other things too like first person and how it wasn't going to be in at the start, endgame etc. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzmmUAX1qII

    I'm trying to embed the video, we will see if that works.

    I do like the idea though that someone could be in the PVP area doing some PVE and it not bump me out for them if I want to play PVP. That's suiting all playstyles and probably why they went with the megaserver thing.

  • MaquiameMaquiame Posts: 793Member Uncommon

    I honestly can't wait till alot of you guys try this game. I seriously suggest when it drops trying it before you buy if you are a gamer on a budget. And I am looking forward to when the NDA drops. I will say this again, this game is beautiful but quite boring and I am sorry having a compass replacing an exclamation point does not change much. FFXIV love it or hate it is good vanilla ice cream. Its a solid game if not nothing new and while not spectacular you know what you are getting - vanilla ice cream that's of very good quality.

     

    This game? Heh, lets just say that its not even good vanilla ice cream. But please get hyped and spend your money. Great pvp means nothing if you can't stand the rest of the game. And pvp combat with that fighting system should be interesting indeed.

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  • Sevenstar61Sevenstar61 Centreville, VAPosts: 1,690Member Uncommon

    Disaster? No. But most likely it will have initial burst like SWTOR and then population will stabilize after few months. 

    I will definitely try it and if I like it, I might play it as as my second MMO. I was in one beta event. I wasn't wowed but I also don't expect it to be a WOW killer. As a fan of TES starting from Daggerfall it will be a nice addition to my collection.

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  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 13,636Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by lizardbones

    Originally posted by DamonVile

    Originally posted by Loktofeit

     
    Console gamers have nothing to do with it.  The MMO gamer pre-ordered their game, paid extra to play it before it was released, shelled out for the CE, and agreed to a monthly fee. To add insult to injury, they willing paid for the expansions, too. The MMO gamer has time and again told the industry "I have no familiarity with history, no concept of the difference between hope and reality, and absolutely no end to my wallet if you tell me over and over the words that I want to hear - that the game is made for me, that the features will revolutionize gaming, and that it is all based on my personal feedback."   After all, that is exactly how the past three years of MMOs have been sold, and it is the entire sales pitch for the Steam Early Access games, all of which start with "get involved with this game as it develops." Why? Because the buying patterns of the PC gamer have proven for well over a decade that there's money in doing it.  
    But it's 100% the devs fault. They should be better people and just know the customer has no self control.
    Why?

     

    Do you really think Damonvile was serious, lizard? ;) 

     

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  • TheSkimDotNetTheSkimDotNet Pittsburgh, INPosts: 274Member
    Originally posted by Arthasm
    Not only ESO, but Wildstar and any other MMO coming in 2014 will fail so badly, the disaster bigger than GW2.

    Bigger than GW2? That game was a huge success... do you know what you are commenting on?

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  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 13,636Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by ZombieKen
    Originally posted by Loktofeit
     

    Get informed. Read about a writer and actually read their work before slapping at keys to suggest they have an unethical agenda or are on the take. ZombieKen, you're not a Millenial. You know how to do research. That post was below you. 

    Editorials always have an agenda, that's why they are printed as opinion pieces rather than news.  On investment sites, that agenda tends to be related to corporate investing. 

    The push is pretty clear. "Predicting The Biggest Video Game Disaster Of 2014: The Elder Scrolls Online"  The guy is supporting the prediction that the game will be a disaster. 

    ZOMG, Zenimax spent 200 million on this game image  It's going to fail.

    The article makes Zenimax looks unwise for making a heavy investment, and implies that the game will be another SWTOR.  The article running on an investment site implies a connection to stocks.

    The OP asked why would he do this?

    I think my conclusion is reasonable speculation.  Editorial journalist scaremongers investors with current or potential interest in companies in the gaming industry.  From my perspective, it looks rather obvious.

     

    If we are going to completely ignore history and everything else ever written by this journalist then I completely agree, someone who doesn't know squat about the author, the Forbes blog section or the industry in general could view this one piece in a vacuum and reasonably conclude said speculation.

    Such a person should definitely start reading the Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew, as they'd come across as amazingly epic tales of incredible sorcery. Encyclopedia Brown would blow their mind. 

     

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  • PyukPyuk Eugene, ORPosts: 690Member Uncommon
    Spot-on article, imo. The only thing I'd argue is that Elder Scrolls players have been wanting a multiplayer component for quite some time. Zenimax would have been better off putting their money into a multiplayer component to their next Elder Scrolls game, rather than this half-baked ESO that's headed for the proverbial iceberg.

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  • ukforzeukforze LiverpoolPosts: 331Member

    Regardless of all the above, it doesn't help when the likes of forbes start doom mongering.

    I stopped taking notice of things like this it does no good as do a lot of forums including

    this one, to much doom mongering & talk of evil devs & their quest to ruin the world.

     

    Is it any wonder some games fail before release?

    Im not saying this game will be an exception but still for an article to be titled

    "Predicting Biggest Disaster of 2014" what sort of an article is that?

    They should be ashamed tbh, it's all headline snatching bs

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  • FinalFikusFinalFikus Chicago, ILPosts: 906Member
    How can a business model change save it if it isn't doomed? Saviors can do pretty much anything.

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  • MargulisMargulis Glendale, AZPosts: 1,614Member
    Originally posted by DocBrody

    It will be a lot better than SWTOR for sure, that can be seen easily from gameplay footage already, so it won´t fail as hard as SWTOR.

     

    No one can beat the level of fail that SWTOR was, not even TESO. But it will switch to buy to play and paid DLCs soon after launch, probably similiar to TSW which is running great now and has lots of players.

    I agree - there is 0% chance it can fail as bad as SWTOR did, because despite being fairly generic in a lot of ways the world actually feels alive and presents a nice atmosphere to play in.  And despite the negativity for being generic, it does do MOST of that generic stuff pretty well at least.  Plus people on the beta forums have been raving about the pvp even though I could care less about that.

  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 13,636Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by ukforze

    Regardless of all the above, it doesn't help when the likes of forbes start doom mongering.

    I stopped taking notice of things like this it does no good as do a lot of forums including

    this one, to much doom mongering & talk of evil devs & their quest to ruin the world.

     

    Is it any wonder some games fail before release?

    Im not saying this game will be an exception but still for an article to be titled

    "Predicting Biggest Disaster of 2014" what sort of an article is that?

    They should be ashamed tbh, it's all headline snatching bs

    I am curious if Forbes is aware how much some of these blogs affect their brand simply because people consider them "a Forbes article". The name Forbes seems to give undue weight to what is basically just a blogger that happens to write on their site. 

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  • LittleBootLittleBoot roystonPosts: 326Member

    The article almost precisely reflects my opinions on the game; my over-riding response to ESO being 'why?'

    I can't see the market for this game (admittedly I will probably end up trying it).  Anyone who has played Skyrim (or earlier) will be aware that it does not translate into an mmo, so all you can possible end up with is a generic mmo selling itself on a popular IP, and I don't really think anyone wants any more of those.  

  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Elmira, ONPosts: 2,497Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Pyuk
    Spot-on article, imo. The only thing I'd argue is that Elder Scrolls players have been wanting a multiplayer component for quite some time. Zenimax would have been better off putting their money into a multiplayer component to their next Elder Scrolls game, rather than this half-baked ESO that's headed for the proverbial iceberg.

     

    It's this type of baseless speculation makes for great gloom and doom articles. What makes you think, at all, that this game will not stay true to the lore. It's not like they're bringing in a company unfamiliar with the IP to create the game, these are the people who hold all the lore for the games, who have had to develop and adhere to the lore for all previous games. So basically, assuming that they're just going to abandon lore they've remained true to for the entire series is ridiculous. 

     

    Really no difference with the author of the article, though. I see very little knowledge of the series, or even MMOs in general, and even admits it. I really doubt that the barrier to entry is going to discourage all that many players. They may even go as far as to offset the negative stigma around the who subscription somehow (maybe offer 3 months with the game purchase). Also, his SWTOR example only serves to support big budget, big IP games. With something like 2 million box sales and a decent sell-through on the subscription, why wouldn't you spend the money? Skyrim sold like 15 million copies across all platforms, so I don't think it's unreasonable to believe that they could do 4-5 million boxes for TESO as a conservative number. After that, it's all about keeping people subscribed. Even if they don't, though, SWTOR has shown that the F2P/SUB combo works, even if it is a bit of "bankruptcy a penny at a time" at times with the cash shop, it shows that it's viable. Whether it's a success on console or not on console, I don't think, is a major concern. As long as they've built in contingency plans, they can probably get back a large chunk of their money at launch and then it will trickle in from there. 

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  • aslan132aslan132 Tampa, FLPosts: 378Member Uncommon

    I agree with the premise, even if not all the reasons. As someone who has actually played the game, I think its in desperate need of attention, and it wont be anywhere near ready in April. I cant go into details, but if they rush the game to make a deadline, of course its doomed to fail. 

     

    That being said, I love the game. I would play it, except that its subscription. The worst decision by far they have made, with the release date being second. The game has some interesting points, but releasing a game with broken, missing, and otherwise unplayable gameplay has always been a mistake. Its nothing new to MMOs, but its a mistake they should be learning from, not copying. Im sure ZOS is getting pressured to release, but thats no excuse. WildStar for example is months ahead of them in developement as far as completed content and polish, and they havent even nailed down a release date. 

     

    For ESO to do anything other than fail miserably, they need to remove the release date, and actually finish and polish the game. Otherwise, I agree, they are doomed before launch. Huge mistake ZOS. 

  • MargulisMargulis Glendale, AZPosts: 1,614Member
    Seems the main point he keeps going to over and over in his post is about the subscription model - almost seems like a personal hatred towards that model at times looking at the tone of his comments.  Keeps talking about how there are no successful subscription models anymore - yeah right, ARR is doing very very well.
  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Arkham, VAPosts: 10,910Member


    Originally posted by Loktofeit
    Originally posted by lizardbones Originally posted by DamonVile Originally posted by Loktofeit  
    Console gamers have nothing to do with it.  The MMO gamer pre-ordered their game, paid extra to play it before it was released, shelled out for the CE, and agreed to a monthly fee. To add insult to injury, they willing paid for the expansions, too. The MMO gamer has time and again told the industry "I have no familiarity with history, no concept of the difference between hope and reality, and absolutely no end to my wallet if you tell me over and over the words that I want to hear - that the game is made for me, that the features will revolutionize gaming, and that it is all based on my personal feedback."   After all, that is exactly how the past three years of MMOs have been sold, and it is the entire sales pitch for the Steam Early Access games, all of which start with "get involved with this game as it develops." Why? Because the buying patterns of the PC gamer have proven for well over a decade that there's money in doing it.  
    But it's 100% the devs fault. They should be better people and just know the customer has no self control.
    Why?  
    Do you really think Damonvile was serious, lizard? ;) 

     




    Argh. I cannot keep up with the people who are always being serious and saying what they mean from the people who always use satire or the people who are always sarcastic. It's too much.

    So, how about that Encyclopedia Brown? I think his most awesome case was witnessing a schoolyard fight in 4th grade and staying calm enough to notice that the boy who got punched in the chest didn't get his glasses broken, thus Solving The Case!

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  • DamonVileDamonVile Vancouver, BCPosts: 4,818Member
    Originally posted by lizardbones

     


    Originally posted by Loktofeit

    Originally posted by lizardbones

    Originally posted by DamonVile

    Originally posted by Loktofeit

     
    Console gamers have nothing to do with it.  The MMO gamer pre-ordered their game, paid extra to play it before it was released, shelled out for the CE, and agreed to a monthly fee. To add insult to injury, they willing paid for the expansions, too. The MMO gamer has time and again told the industry "I have no familiarity with history, no concept of the difference between hope and reality, and absolutely no end to my wallet if you tell me over and over the words that I want to hear - that the game is made for me, that the features will revolutionize gaming, and that it is all based on my personal feedback."   After all, that is exactly how the past three years of MMOs have been sold, and it is the entire sales pitch for the Steam Early Access games, all of which start with "get involved with this game as it develops." Why? Because the buying patterns of the PC gamer have proven for well over a decade that there's money in doing it.  
    But it's 100% the devs fault. They should be better people and just know the customer has no self control.
    Why?  
    Do you really think Damonvile was serious, lizard? ;) 

     

     



    Argh. I cannot keep up with the people who are always being serious and saying what they mean from the people who always use satire or the people who are always sarcastic. It's too much.

    So, how about that Encyclopedia Brown? I think his most awesome case was witnessing a schoolyard fight in 4th grade and staying calm enough to notice that the boy who got punched in the chest didn't get his glasses broken, thus Solving The Case!

     

    lol. dry humor and overly sarcastic are things I get accused of all the time :) It never translates well into text.

  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 13,636Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by lizardbones

     


    Originally posted by Loktofeit

    Originally posted by lizardbones

    Originally posted by DamonVile

    Originally posted by Loktofeit

     
    Console gamers have nothing to do with it.  The MMO gamer pre-ordered their game, paid extra to play it before it was released, shelled out for the CE, and agreed to a monthly fee. To add insult to injury, they willing paid for the expansions, too. The MMO gamer has time and again told the industry "I have no familiarity with history, no concept of the difference between hope and reality, and absolutely no end to my wallet if you tell me over and over the words that I want to hear - that the game is made for me, that the features will revolutionize gaming, and that it is all based on my personal feedback."   After all, that is exactly how the past three years of MMOs have been sold, and it is the entire sales pitch for the Steam Early Access games, all of which start with "get involved with this game as it develops." Why? Because the buying patterns of the PC gamer have proven for well over a decade that there's money in doing it.  
    But it's 100% the devs fault. They should be better people and just know the customer has no self control.
    Why?  
    Do you really think Damonvile was serious, lizard? ;) 

    Argh. I cannot keep up with the people who are always being serious and saying what they mean from the people who always use satire or the people who are always sarcastic. It's too much.

    So, how about that Encyclopedia Brown? I think his most awesome case was witnessing a schoolyard fight in 4th grade and staying calm enough to notice that the boy who got punched in the chest didn't get his glasses broken, thus Solving The Case!

     

    There was one about a Civil War sword that blew my mind because the answer was obvious and I completely missed it.  

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  • JJ82JJ82 Chicago, ILPosts: 1,175Member Common
    Originally posted by DocBrody

    It will be a lot better than SWTOR for sure, that can be seen easily from gameplay footage already, so it won´t fail as hard as SWTOR.

    SWTOR was not made betting hard on KOTOR fans or Console players playing it. They were targeting the MMO market as a whole. TESO is not only betting on TES fans but also console players while making a game that isnt actually targeting either. They aren't even targeting the MMO market as a whole because of its centered design piece.

    This isn't TES designed around an MMORPG world. This isn't an MMORPG designed around a world. Its a MMORPG world designed around centered PvP. The PvP is the focus, everything else is just fluff leading you there. And there isn't one of the three catagories that the game focuses on the majority of, TES player, Console player or MMORPG player that is PvP "focused".

    Some TES players also play PvP based games. Some Console players play PvP based games (fewer play pay per month PvP games) and how many MMORPG players play PvP focused games?!? A small amount.

    Now add in the fact that the TES games have far outsold the KOTOR games and you end up with a formula that points to TESO needing to far outperform SWTOR to not be seen as a failure. Anything less than 5 million in sales will be seen as a weakening of the IP and seeing as how the standalone games retain a million+ players for YEARS it will also need to retain a large amount of subscribers since its an MMO. There is more at stake with corporations making MMOs now, if they don't have a game that performs the entire company ends up taking a hit for it especially one like Zenimax whos board has been tossing around the idea of going public. They cant afford to have a poor performance right now.

    I say Del or Altman will lose their position in less than a year after release with Dominguez being behind it since he is the money behind it all. The company has many power players in it and heads will roll with the game being so bad for the IP.

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  • UtinniUtinni Richmond, VAPosts: 380Member Uncommon
    For console ES fans this will be just like paying for DLC, which is usually $20. Every ES fan I know has all of skyrims DLC which is what, close to 6-7 months sub time, but for 10-15 hours of content each?
  • ukforzeukforze LiverpoolPosts: 331Member
    Originally posted by Vutar

    I hope every MMORPG made for consoles dies a horrible death, losses more money than any other games in history, and generally just sucks. Maybe then devs will stop trying to design derp fests that are completely designed for the lowest common denominator so that "hey we can put it on console!"

     

     

    haha +1

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  • XAPKenXAPKen Northwest, INPosts: 4,896Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Loktofeit
     

    I am curious if Forbes is aware how much some of these blogs affect their brand simply because people consider them "a Forbes article". The name Forbes seems to give undue weight to what is basically just a blogger that happens to write on their site. 

     

    The Forbes name did affect my perspective significantly, and I'm forced into rethinking that position.

    What Porn Stars Do When The Porn Industry Shuts Down  ... on Forbes?

     

    Okay, it's now safe to assume that I'm clueless.  Hehehe, not that some hadn't come to that conclusion long ago.  :-)

     


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  • greenreengreenreen Punchoo, AKPosts: 2,101Member Uncommon

    You know what sucks about this. More people will read and comment on this thread than they did in the one where someone gave out good information in the game. The views on this thread already are twice what some of the others are which are based on game content.

    This article was by someone who doesn't even play MMOs trying to tell us what will fail and their only reason - because its a sub game and SWTOR was also an MMO. Wow, what an uncanny resemblance. You going to tell me someone that hasn't played these games knows more about the players inside them than YOU or ME. If you have played MMOs for years you know a whole hell of a lot more about the people playing them than someone who just looks at a game box does. You've spent countless hours with them both the players and the games.

    For those who go out of their way to have buddy conversations in the thread - every point that has been brought up and dismissed with evidence is all going to get squashed behind people chit chatting and artificially bumping the thread but burying relevant information. The cynic in me wonders if they are doing it on purpose because they don't use any snipping of the original posts, they just keep making long quotes to amuse themselves when they start jawjacking back and forth.

    We really do need a comment + and - system on this forum to bump or push away posts because paging just hides things. Once something gets to over 10 pages only the strong will go through all 10 to pick out the goodies.

  • DoogiehowserDoogiehowser ParisPosts: 1,873Member
    Originally posted by Carl132p
    Originally posted by Doogiehowser
    Originally posted by Carl132p
    Leave it to mmorpg.com to be completely taken in by ESOs crap. Everyone who's played beta including myself know that the combat is GOD AWFUL and the quests aren't any good either. Those caves you love to explore in skyrim? full of turds running around slaying everything the second it spawns. The cool little mini stories that come with quests? not cool in the least, more annoying than anything. 

    So you are trying to tell us who haven't played the game that we should just take your word for it and start believing that game is awful?

    Sorry but i like to make my own opinions and decisions. Obviously not everyone is going to like the game, which is expected and is a very natural thing. And i don't think you are in position to speak on behalf of 'every one' who has played the beta.

    I AM in that position because NO ONE, who has experienced how poorly done the combat is, comes away saying man that was really well implemented. Your melee swings do as much damage as an auto attack in a normal mmo which leaves you sitting there stock still in front of a mob swinging away like an idiot because there is not point to moving around. Sometimes the mobs charge up a power attack and a big obvious box tells you to hit them, which causes a stun, then they sit there and get pummeled some more, but definitely don't die because your hits do nothing. Blocking doesn't actually block the attack, not only does the mob not respond to you blocking, you don't respond to you blocking and you take some damage for it. Whatever awesome combat the videos have lead you to believe is here is definitely not here, and again, the quests are shit. Have fun collecting ten more bear asses for the millionth time.

    I really doubt you knew all the thousands of beta players on a personal level where they expressed their displeasure regarding combat with you. So like i said earlier you are not in a position to speak on their behalf.

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