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Forbes Predicting Biggest Disaster of 2014

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  • FearumFearum Cinnaminson, NJPosts: 1,165Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by cnutemp

    I think they may be right.   TESO brings nothing new to the table other than their IP.  Quest hub grinding to max level then 3 faction pvp?  Sounds like guild wars 2, and I already have that game.

    If you really think GW2 is a good example of 3 faction PvP I feel sorry for you friend.

  • BetaguyBetaguy Halifax, NSPosts: 2,573Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by Betaguy
    Originally posted by kitarad

    Restructuring is not an indication of failure. Blizzard North was shutdown by Blizzard Entertainment. I think no one in their right mind will call Diablo a failure.

    As for the 300 million was that a rumour or really true ?

     Was more like 150 Million, TESO will be the most expensive production MMO to date when it releases.

    Nope it was over 300mil, EA is trying to downplay the true cost, but now that ex-bioware employees are not under EAs wings and those who have spoken to them candidly, it was well over 300mil.

     

     No one will ever know forsure... disgruntled ex-employees can up play just as easy as the suits down playing. Just saying.

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  • ArskaaaArskaaa KauhajokiPosts: 946Member Uncommon

    Elder scroll fans buy game no matter how much it sucks.

    i will buy it becouse im fan. see when i play it, is it good or bad.

  • SawlstoneSawlstone barrie, ONPosts: 301Member
    Originally posted by Amjoco
    Originally posted by cnutemp

    I think they may be right.   TESO brings nothing new to the table other than their IP.  Quest hub grinding to max level then 3 faction pvp?  Sounds like guild wars 2, and I already have that game.

    I will love this game, not because it offers new or extraordinary features, but because it will be surrounded by other TES fans. It will be a niche game, and probably thin out to just those who love the title after a few months. Well, this is my prediction! :)

    I'm with you on that! Just like the fans of FF have their game we can have ours!

  • ShadanwolfShadanwolf Posts: 2,165Member Uncommon

    Let the game speak for itself.

    When we have open beta many will make a judgement....for better or worse

    till then...to much bloviating.

  • BetaguyBetaguy Halifax, NSPosts: 2,573Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Arskaaa

    Elder scroll fans buy game no matter how much it sucks.

    i will buy it becouse im fan. see when i play it, is it good or bad.

     And that is the proper attitude for any individual as everyone has their own taste to satisfy. Every MMO I have bought since WoW has let me down, I don't feel I have wasted time or money. It would also not stop me from buying and trying any future MMO's to come. How else will I find what I am looking for if I just stop buying and start crying.

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  • TerminalDeityTerminalDeity fairfield, OHPosts: 129Member Uncommon
    We NEED these corporate cash-grab MMOs to fail. Once they become poison to investors, they will stop being made, and the genre will flourish and see true innovation. 
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    Whatever.

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  • Ender4Ender4 milwaukee, WIPosts: 2,247Member Uncommon

    If FFXIV can keep a solid player base any game can. I imagine this game will be awful but will still sell enough to make their money.

  • SoulTrapOnSelfSoulTrapOnSelf Ellicott City, MDPosts: 190Member

    It's a no brainer... this is another game trying to get both PvP and PvE crowds on board, trying to offer "everything" for different type of players and it's not gonna end up well...

    From the beginning this game was focusing with the 3-faction war in Cyrodiil. I am not a PvP fan, but Zenimax should have focused on Cyrodiil and leave the other provinces out of the game. TES fans are waiting for TES VI, where they will be able to really explore both on surface and underwater places with the characters they want to play.

     

  • baphametbaphamet omaha, NEPosts: 3,008Member Uncommon

    don't care how much a game costs to make, only if i enjoy playing it or not.

  • Nemesis7884Nemesis7884 ZurichPosts: 932Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by SoulTrapOnSelf

    It's a no brainer... this is another game trying to get both PvP and PvE crowds on board, trying to offer "everything" for different type of players and it's not gonna end up well...

    From the beginning this game was focusing with the 3-faction war in Cyrodiil. I am not a PvP fan, but Zenimax should have focused on Cyrodiil and leave the other provinces out of the game. TES fans are waiting for TES VI, where they will be able to really explore both on surface and underwater places with the characters they want to play.

     

    i disagree with you... a themepark mmo needs to have some sort of end game pvp component if it wants longevity and 3-way-pvp works the best.

    sure the adventure zone with elite dungeons and somewhere on the horizon maybe raids (altough not planned i think) is also good to please the pve crowd but it will get stale and the players - as in every mmo ever made - will rush through the content much faster than they can produce it - therefore you need end game pvp...

  • General-ZodGeneral-Zod Zod, CAPosts: 775Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Fearum
    Originally posted by cnutemp

    I think they may be right.   TESO brings nothing new to the table other than their IP.  Quest hub grinding to max level then 3 faction pvp?  Sounds like guild wars 2, and I already have that game.

    If you really think GW2 is a good example of 3 faction PvP I feel sorry for you friend.

    Guildwars mirrored class 3 "server" affair was disgusting. I feel sorry for him too...

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  • baphametbaphamet omaha, NEPosts: 3,008Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by TerminalDeity
    We NEED these corporate cash-grab MMOs to fail. Once they become poison to investors, they will stop being made, and the genre will flourish and see true innovation. 

    that makes no sense. the low budget indie mmo's will be made regardless of the success or failures of big budget games.

    no company is going to spend lots of money on something that isn't going to return their investment.

    there will just be less mmo's being made and all of them being small budget niche games, games being made either way.

  • ZombieKenZombieKen Northwest, INPosts: 5,034Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Amjoco
     

    Ya, it does seem to be an odd new category that sites have been promoting. I'm not sure what the gain is from determining this ahead of time, and/or what they will achieve from it. I can see Forbes possibly taking an interest in it, but Massively? It is like if Ford posted it's 2014 Focus will fail. Why would a game website want to predict a failure? It seems like the publicity would hurt the title and relations with the developer and the publisher.

     

    Stock play.   Zenimax is privately held and MIGHT be in position to pull down some very large earnings with TESO.  Either way it will bring a lot of news.

     

    Make ripples in the water, and other game company stocks (publicly traded ones) will move.  Not to mention stocks for console manufacturers.

     

    Hurting the title is only the direct effect.  Indirectly, there's money to be made.  At least that's my guess.

     

    Then again, maybe someone with lots of money wants it to fail.  They might be trying to poison the water before it enters the race.  However, I find this somewhat unlikely.  I don't see that Forbes readers are likely to be buyers of the game, but it might be intended to indicate that the game is not something to be viewed in a good light.

     

    I wouldn't rule out any possible motivation, especially if it involves money.

     


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  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Arkham, VAPosts: 10,910Member


    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by Betaguy Originally posted by kitarad Did EA come out and say SWTOR is a failure ? You said game producers consider it a failure. Would you please link where EA has said that about SWTOR.
     Kit, I wouldn't dwell on it to much or spend too much time thinking about it.  It is not a failure by any means, it is not what most people wanted, however there is many who do enjoy it and it is a success by any definition regardless what the doom n gloomer's say here.
    It was a massive financial failure - the game cost exceeded $300 million, they anticipated over 10mil subs - this didn't happen.

    The game underperformed badly, it led to a complete dissolution of Bioware Austin into EA.

    Successful games retain their studios, SWTOR is the biggest financial MMORPG failure yet.




    They wanted ten million subs, but had plans in place for 300k to 500k subs. That's not failure, that's a rational approach to a very risky business.

    I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  • bcbullybcbully Westland, MIPosts: 8,710Member Uncommon

    Ok, ESO is a better game than Swtor. Let's get that out the way right now.

     

    There is 3 months gameplay minimum straight out the box with ESO. Slower leveling and a much deeper skill system. This is coming from crazy hour gamer. I can't speak beyond that, because I don't know. 

     

    Will ESO go f2p? Most likely, although having more depth in combat and skills than 2013 AAA's (except AoW) mmorpgs will slow that process.

     

    If Cyrodill is a real game world not just a glorified battle ground, ESO will thrive, and be the biggest money maker since WoW.

  • DoogiehowserDoogiehowser ParisPosts: 1,873Member
    Originally posted by DocBrody

    It will be a lot better than SWTOR for sure, that can be seen easily from gameplay footage already, so it won´t fail as hard as SWTOR.

     

    No one can beat the level of fail that SWTOR was, not even TESO. But it will switch to buy to play and paid DLCs soon after launch, probably similiar to TSW which is running great now and has lots of players.

    Yeah SWTOR is a probably fail even though it has more players than TSW (the game which sold few thousand copies at release and went B2P faster than kardashian drops her panties)  can ever dream to have. But hey i forgot honesty and prudent thinking two characteristics SWTOR bashers do not posses. 

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  • Carl132pCarl132p Columbus, INPosts: 535Member Uncommon
    Leave it to mmorpg.com to be completely taken in by ESOs crap. Everyone who's played beta including myself know that the combat is GOD AWFUL and the quests aren't any good either. Those caves you love to explore in skyrim? full of turds running around slaying everything the second it spawns. The cool little mini stories that come with quests? not cool in the least, more annoying than anything. 
  • DoogiehowserDoogiehowser ParisPosts: 1,873Member
    Originally posted by Carl132p
    Leave it to mmorpg.com to be completely taken in by ESOs crap. Everyone who's played beta including myself know that the combat is GOD AWFUL and the quests aren't any good either. Those caves you love to explore in skyrim? full of turds running around slaying everything the second it spawns. The cool little mini stories that come with quests? not cool in the least, more annoying than anything. 

    So you are trying to tell us who haven't played the game that we should just take your word for it and start believing that game is awful?

    Sorry but i like to make my own opinions and decisions. Obviously not everyone is going to like the game, which is expected and is a very natural thing. And i don't think you are in position to speak on behalf of 'every one' who has played the beta.

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  • RzepRzep warsawPosts: 767Member Uncommon
    The day I start taking what Fobes says about video games seriously is the day I start telling the future by examining diarrhea.
  • amber-ramber-r londonPosts: 323Member

    Realy surprising a website like forbes would post an article as stupid as this, this kind of thing can lead to self fulfilling prophecies.

     

    This article could be seen as damaging of an upcoming title, I wouldn't be surprised if legal action was possible.

     

    It's not written as someone that has played the title, it's not written as a review of a released product, it's not even written by someone that knows what they are talking about or has much knowledge of the mmo genre.

     

    I expect this kind of nonsense from a biased website like massively but Forbes?  Surprising.

  • AIMonsterAIMonster Apopka, FLPosts: 2,059Member
    Originally posted by SoulTrapOnSelf

    It's a no brainer... this is another game trying to get both PvP and PvE crowds on board, trying to offer "everything" for different type of players and it's not gonna end up well...

    From the beginning this game was focusing with the 3-faction war in Cyrodiil. I am not a PvP fan, but Zenimax should have focused on Cyrodiil and leave the other provinces out of the game. TES fans are waiting for TES VI, where they will be able to really explore both on surface and underwater places with the characters they want to play.

     

    Except it's not offering "everything".  Where is the endgame raiding PvE?  4 man is the max group size.  I can't really comment on the beta, but even then they seem to be struggling with letting people play together.

    There isn't going to be any PvE content in the endgame that players won't consume in less than a month.  Whether you love it or hate it, raiding endgame is needed to sustain a PvE "themepark" MMO in the long run.  The 3 faction PvP will be fun for sure, but it will get old fast for a lot of people as it did in GW2 since it's essentially doing the same thing over and over again each day.

    On a side note, I also laugh at people calling GW2 a failure.  That game made NCSoft lots of money.

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