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Forbes Predicting Biggest Disaster of 2014

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  • FearumFearum Cinnaminson, NJPosts: 1,166Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by cnutemp

    I think they may be right.   TESO brings nothing new to the table other than their IP.  Quest hub grinding to max level then 3 faction pvp?  Sounds like guild wars 2, and I already have that game.

    If you really think GW2 is a good example of 3 faction PvP I feel sorry for you friend.

  • BetaguyBetaguy Halifax, NSPosts: 2,590Member
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by Betaguy
    Originally posted by kitarad

    Restructuring is not an indication of failure. Blizzard North was shutdown by Blizzard Entertainment. I think no one in their right mind will call Diablo a failure.

    As for the 300 million was that a rumour or really true ?

     Was more like 150 Million, TESO will be the most expensive production MMO to date when it releases.

    Nope it was over 300mil, EA is trying to downplay the true cost, but now that ex-bioware employees are not under EAs wings and those who have spoken to them candidly, it was well over 300mil.

     

     No one will ever know forsure... disgruntled ex-employees can up play just as easy as the suits down playing. Just saying.

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  • ArskaaaArskaaa KauhajokiPosts: 842Member Uncommon

    Elder scroll fans buy game no matter how much it sucks.

    i will buy it becouse im fan. see when i play it, is it good or bad.

  • SawlstoneSawlstone barrie, ONPosts: 301Member
    Originally posted by Amjoco
    Originally posted by cnutemp

    I think they may be right.   TESO brings nothing new to the table other than their IP.  Quest hub grinding to max level then 3 faction pvp?  Sounds like guild wars 2, and I already have that game.

    I will love this game, not because it offers new or extraordinary features, but because it will be surrounded by other TES fans. It will be a niche game, and probably thin out to just those who love the title after a few months. Well, this is my prediction! :)

    I'm with you on that! Just like the fans of FF have their game we can have ours!

  • ShadanwolfShadanwolf Posts: 2,114Member Uncommon

    Let the game speak for itself.

    When we have open beta many will make a judgement....for better or worse

    till then...to much bloviating.

  • BetaguyBetaguy Halifax, NSPosts: 2,590Member
    Originally posted by Arskaaa

    Elder scroll fans buy game no matter how much it sucks.

    i will buy it becouse im fan. see when i play it, is it good or bad.

     And that is the proper attitude for any individual as everyone has their own taste to satisfy. Every MMO I have bought since WoW has let me down, I don't feel I have wasted time or money. It would also not stop me from buying and trying any future MMO's to come. How else will I find what I am looking for if I just stop buying and start crying.

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  • TerminalDeityTerminalDeity fairfield, OHPosts: 106Member
    We NEED these corporate cash-grab MMOs to fail. Once they become poison to investors, they will stop being made, and the genre will flourish and see true innovation. 
  • greenreengreenreen Punchoo, AKPosts: 2,101Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by cnutemp

    I think they may be right.   TESO brings nothing new to the table other than their IP.  Quest hub grinding to max level then 3 faction pvp?  Sounds like guild wars 2, and I already have that game.

    I was reading about PVP last night, it's already going to be better than GW2.

    You can place then MOVE all the siege engines except the ram. Can't do that in GW2.

    Your target is based partly on your reticule for aiming, no more hopping and attacking. No more easy mode.

    A guild can only own one keep at a time. In GW2 one super guild can dominate the landscape.

    If you do own a keep, as a guild you can setup a trading store there.

    A person can join 5 guilds.

    Everyone in the game can stealth. It's not limited to a single class to be able to sneak up and attack. That makes for tactical play without everyone being a thief. You want to be a heavy armor wearing magic caster stealthing around? Can do.

    They built the game to support 200 players regularly on the screen at a time. Do I even need to remind everyone about invisible players in GW2 because they couldn't handle the amount on the screen and in their battles it was around 250 players per side maximum. Wasn't their final solution to that - we can't fix it so we will just take away all culling.

    The campaigns will be 3 month increments instead of just weeks per match. There is more than one campaign going on at a time, you aren't stuck in one match.

    You will NOT have to be in queue for hours to play PVP. It scales so that people don't have to wait - see campaigns.

    There are no jumping puzzles in PVP with people who don't want to PVP taking up space on your side while they aren't fighting. You know how many times I waited in queue just to find out that other people inside were getting their map completion or jumping puzzles while our points dwindled away in GW2 because those people didn't want to actually play PVP. Never again.

    Someone is going to be crowned Emperor after the end of campaigns.

    They have leaderboards for PVP.

    They reward healing in PVP and you aren't going to be ignored for playing a support character. It's not just DPS characters that will get rank on the leaderboards. That is so freaking HUGE! Healers never got counted and now they will.

    There is no loot in PVP from other players so that people focus on fighting instead of leaving the fight to loot like the greedy little hoarders gamers can be.

    The area for PVP is supposed to be the size of 9 normal zones. Nine freaking zones.

    There is PVP specific gear.

    Keeps aren't just keeps, there are 3 resource areas around each keep feeding it supplies, those can all be attacked to weaken the keep. That gives smaller groups something to do and gives each keep 4 potential places to defend/attack.

    I haven't even seen but two videos on this and about 4 articles. I've gathered all that and having played GW2, I can spot that this is better.

  • PigglesworthPigglesworth Delaware, OHPosts: 257Member Uncommon
    Whatever.

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  • Ender4Ender4 milwaukee, WIPosts: 2,253Member

    If FFXIV can keep a solid player base any game can. I imagine this game will be awful but will still sell enough to make their money.

  • SoulTrapOnSelfSoulTrapOnSelf Ellicott City, MDPosts: 190Member

    It's a no brainer... this is another game trying to get both PvP and PvE crowds on board, trying to offer "everything" for different type of players and it's not gonna end up well...

    From the beginning this game was focusing with the 3-faction war in Cyrodiil. I am not a PvP fan, but Zenimax should have focused on Cyrodiil and leave the other provinces out of the game. TES fans are waiting for TES VI, where they will be able to really explore both on surface and underwater places with the characters they want to play.

     

  • baphametbaphamet omaha, NEPosts: 2,838Member Uncommon

    don't care how much a game costs to make, only if i enjoy playing it or not.

  • Nemesis7884Nemesis7884 ZurichPosts: 880Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by SoulTrapOnSelf

    It's a no brainer... this is another game trying to get both PvP and PvE crowds on board, trying to offer "everything" for different type of players and it's not gonna end up well...

    From the beginning this game was focusing with the 3-faction war in Cyrodiil. I am not a PvP fan, but Zenimax should have focused on Cyrodiil and leave the other provinces out of the game. TES fans are waiting for TES VI, where they will be able to really explore both on surface and underwater places with the characters they want to play.

     

    i disagree with you... a themepark mmo needs to have some sort of end game pvp component if it wants longevity and 3-way-pvp works the best.

    sure the adventure zone with elite dungeons and somewhere on the horizon maybe raids (altough not planned i think) is also good to please the pve crowd but it will get stale and the players - as in every mmo ever made - will rush through the content much faster than they can produce it - therefore you need end game pvp...

  • General-ZodGeneral-Zod Zod, CAPosts: 743Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Fearum
    Originally posted by cnutemp

    I think they may be right.   TESO brings nothing new to the table other than their IP.  Quest hub grinding to max level then 3 faction pvp?  Sounds like guild wars 2, and I already have that game.

    If you really think GW2 is a good example of 3 faction PvP I feel sorry for you friend.

    Guildwars mirrored class 3 "server" affair was disgusting. I feel sorry for him too...

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  • baphametbaphamet omaha, NEPosts: 2,838Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by TerminalDeity
    We NEED these corporate cash-grab MMOs to fail. Once they become poison to investors, they will stop being made, and the genre will flourish and see true innovation. 

    that makes no sense. the low budget indie mmo's will be made regardless of the success or failures of big budget games.

    no company is going to spend lots of money on something that isn't going to return their investment.

    there will just be less mmo's being made and all of them being small budget niche games, games being made either way.

  • XAPKenXAPKen Northwest, INPosts: 4,916Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Amjoco
     

    Ya, it does seem to be an odd new category that sites have been promoting. I'm not sure what the gain is from determining this ahead of time, and/or what they will achieve from it. I can see Forbes possibly taking an interest in it, but Massively? It is like if Ford posted it's 2014 Focus will fail. Why would a game website want to predict a failure? It seems like the publicity would hurt the title and relations with the developer and the publisher.

     

    Stock play.   Zenimax is privately held and MIGHT be in position to pull down some very large earnings with TESO.  Either way it will bring a lot of news.

     

    Make ripples in the water, and other game company stocks (publicly traded ones) will move.  Not to mention stocks for console manufacturers.

     

    Hurting the title is only the direct effect.  Indirectly, there's money to be made.  At least that's my guess.

     

    Then again, maybe someone with lots of money wants it to fail.  They might be trying to poison the water before it enters the race.  However, I find this somewhat unlikely.  I don't see that Forbes readers are likely to be buyers of the game, but it might be intended to indicate that the game is not something to be viewed in a good light.

     

    I wouldn't rule out any possible motivation, especially if it involves money.

     


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  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Arkham, VAPosts: 10,910Member


    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by Betaguy Originally posted by kitarad Did EA come out and say SWTOR is a failure ? You said game producers consider it a failure. Would you please link where EA has said that about SWTOR.
     Kit, I wouldn't dwell on it to much or spend too much time thinking about it.  It is not a failure by any means, it is not what most people wanted, however there is many who do enjoy it and it is a success by any definition regardless what the doom n gloomer's say here.
    It was a massive financial failure - the game cost exceeded $300 million, they anticipated over 10mil subs - this didn't happen.

    The game underperformed badly, it led to a complete dissolution of Bioware Austin into EA.

    Successful games retain their studios, SWTOR is the biggest financial MMORPG failure yet.




    They wanted ten million subs, but had plans in place for 300k to 500k subs. That's not failure, that's a rational approach to a very risky business.

    I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  • bcbullybcbully Westland, MIPosts: 8,276Member Uncommon

    Ok, ESO is a better game than Swtor. Let's get that out the way right now.

     

    There is 3 months gameplay minimum straight out the box with ESO. Slower leveling and a much deeper skill system. This is coming from crazy hour gamer. I can't speak beyond that, because I don't know. 

     

    Will ESO go f2p? Most likely, although having more depth in combat and skills than 2013 AAA's (except AoW) mmorpgs will slow that process.

     

    If Cyrodill is a real game world not just a glorified battle ground, ESO will thrive, and be the biggest money maker since WoW.

  • DoogiehowserDoogiehowser ParisPosts: 1,873Member
    Originally posted by DocBrody

    It will be a lot better than SWTOR for sure, that can be seen easily from gameplay footage already, so it won´t fail as hard as SWTOR.

     

    No one can beat the level of fail that SWTOR was, not even TESO. But it will switch to buy to play and paid DLCs soon after launch, probably similiar to TSW which is running great now and has lots of players.

    Yeah SWTOR is a probably fail even though it has more players than TSW (the game which sold few thousand copies at release and went B2P faster than kardashian drops her panties)  can ever dream to have. But hey i forgot honesty and prudent thinking two characteristics SWTOR bashers do not posses. 

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  • Carl132pCarl132p Columbus, INPosts: 535Member Uncommon
    Leave it to mmorpg.com to be completely taken in by ESOs crap. Everyone who's played beta including myself know that the combat is GOD AWFUL and the quests aren't any good either. Those caves you love to explore in skyrim? full of turds running around slaying everything the second it spawns. The cool little mini stories that come with quests? not cool in the least, more annoying than anything. 
  • DoogiehowserDoogiehowser ParisPosts: 1,873Member
    Originally posted by Carl132p
    Leave it to mmorpg.com to be completely taken in by ESOs crap. Everyone who's played beta including myself know that the combat is GOD AWFUL and the quests aren't any good either. Those caves you love to explore in skyrim? full of turds running around slaying everything the second it spawns. The cool little mini stories that come with quests? not cool in the least, more annoying than anything. 

    So you are trying to tell us who haven't played the game that we should just take your word for it and start believing that game is awful?

    Sorry but i like to make my own opinions and decisions. Obviously not everyone is going to like the game, which is expected and is a very natural thing. And i don't think you are in position to speak on behalf of 'every one' who has played the beta.

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  • RzepRzep warsawPosts: 716Member Uncommon
    The day I start taking what Fobes says about video games seriously is the day I start telling the future by examining diarrhea.
  • amber-ramber-r londonPosts: 323Member

    Realy surprising a website like forbes would post an article as stupid as this, this kind of thing can lead to self fulfilling prophecies.

     

    This article could be seen as damaging of an upcoming title, I wouldn't be surprised if legal action was possible.

     

    It's not written as someone that has played the title, it's not written as a review of a released product, it's not even written by someone that knows what they are talking about or has much knowledge of the mmo genre.

     

    I expect this kind of nonsense from a biased website like massively but Forbes?  Surprising.

  • AIMonsterAIMonster Apopka, FLPosts: 2,059Member
    Originally posted by SoulTrapOnSelf

    It's a no brainer... this is another game trying to get both PvP and PvE crowds on board, trying to offer "everything" for different type of players and it's not gonna end up well...

    From the beginning this game was focusing with the 3-faction war in Cyrodiil. I am not a PvP fan, but Zenimax should have focused on Cyrodiil and leave the other provinces out of the game. TES fans are waiting for TES VI, where they will be able to really explore both on surface and underwater places with the characters they want to play.

     

    Except it's not offering "everything".  Where is the endgame raiding PvE?  4 man is the max group size.  I can't really comment on the beta, but even then they seem to be struggling with letting people play together.

    There isn't going to be any PvE content in the endgame that players won't consume in less than a month.  Whether you love it or hate it, raiding endgame is needed to sustain a PvE "themepark" MMO in the long run.  The 3 faction PvP will be fun for sure, but it will get old fast for a lot of people as it did in GW2 since it's essentially doing the same thing over and over again each day.

    On a side note, I also laugh at people calling GW2 a failure.  That game made NCSoft lots of money.

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  • greenreengreenreen Punchoo, AKPosts: 2,101Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by amber-r

    Realy surprising a website like forbes would post an article as stupid as this, this kind of thing can lead to self fulfilling prophecies.

     

    This article could be seen as damaging of an upcoming title, I wouldn't be surprised if legal action was possible.

     

    It's not written as someone that has played the title, it's not written as a review of a released product, it's not even written by someone that knows what they are talking about or has much knowledge of the mmo genre.

     

    I expect this kind of nonsense from a biased website like massively but Forbes?  Surprising.

    Exactly, it was all saber rattling. And they didn't even visit the Zenimax site.

    One page visit and I found this on the site, didn't even have to search, it was right on the FAQ http://www.zenimax.com/news_pressrelease10.25.07.htm

    They already had 300 million available for exactly this type of game.

    They weren't bereft of cash since then either.

    http://www.statisticbrain.com/skyrim-the-elder-scrolls-v-statistics/

    He made it sound like they were mortgaging the family cow to get the funds.

    This is an investment and extension of an existing game with proven success. The setting is different for the game but the game itself was a winner and has a proven fan base.

    What was the history of Star Wars - a bunch of pissed off Galaxies players and the game shut down. These two IPs are in totally different swings even if you illogically claimed that both games are exactly the same.

    The person should have kept their mouth shut on this topic. They were really stretching and didn't even do research after admitting they were an outsider.

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