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armor details look a bit like bodypaint

Nemesis7884Nemesis7884 ZurichPosts: 879Member Uncommon

Am i the only one who is a bit bothered by that? Im no graphics nazi but a lot of the armor looks simply like they have taken the naked character model and painted the armor over it - that might be an easy way to do it but it looks quite cheap. Even mmo's muuuuuch older didnt do it to that extend - for example age of conan which i still consider to have some of the best mmo armor i have ever seen...it looks a bit cheap no?

At least they could make the armor bulk a bit bigger, it just looks weird that a character is wearing a heavy armor that snugs his skin tightly like a wet suit?!

 

example: http://tamrielfoundry.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/dunmer-sentry.jpg

example from age of conan in contrast: http://th08.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2011/174/3/9/tamarian_tigers_faction_armour_by_tulx-d3jrm85.jpg

http://vnmedia.ign.com/screenshots/conan/54672795.jpg

http://elmundotech.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/tier3_barbarian_armor.jpg

the difference might be subtle but having different "layers" makes armor looks so much better and so much more realistic. Sometimes it also seems through smart use of "open" and closed armor spaces age of conan just much better creates the "illusion of layers" and depth...either way, armor in eso looks kinda meh and altough we do have different art styles you can easily recognise that the basic armor models come from the same artists which imo is bad - they should hire the age of conan guys.

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  • RobokappRobokapp Dublin, OHPosts: 5,205Member Uncommon

    if that's cloth or leather it's fine...they are stretchy.

     

    if that gray tries to be plate, we have a problem. I believe it's leather though...leather and chain?

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  • killahhkillahh calgary, ABPosts: 437Member
    Originally posted by Nemesis7884

    Am i the only one who is a bit bothered by that? Im no graphics nazi but pt lot of the armor looks simply like they have taken the naked character model and painted the armor over it - that might be an easy way to do it but it looks quite cheap. Even mmo's muuuuuch older didnt do it to that extend - for example age of conan which i still consider to have some of the best mmo armor i have ever seen...it looks a bit cheap no?At least they could make the armor bulk a bit bigger, it just looks weird that a character is wearing a heavy armor that snugs his skin tightly like a wet suit?! example: http://tamrielfoundry.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/dunmer-sentry.jpgexample from age of conan in contrast: http://th08.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2011/174/3/9/tamarian_tigers_faction_armour_by_tulx-d3jrm85.jpghttp://vnmedia.ign.com/screenshots/conan/54672795.jpghttp://elmundotech.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/tier3_barbarian_armor.jpgthe difference might be subtle but having different "layers" makes armor looks so much better and so much more realistic. Sometimes it also seems through smart use of "open" and closed armor spaces age of conan just much better creates the "illusion of layers" and depth...either way, armor in eso looks kinda meh and altough we do have different art styles you can easily recognise that the basic armor models come from the same artists which imo is bad - they should hire the age of conan guys.

     

    different concept art, different style, different. Doesn't look terribad to me, the only illusion here, tbh, is your views.

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  • Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Den HelderPosts: 9,064Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Robokapp

    if that's cloth or leather it's fine...they are stretchy.

     

    if that gray tries to be plate, we have a problem. I believe it's leather though...leather and chain?

    http://tamrielfoundry.com/2013/10/skill-overview-armor/comment-page-12/

     

    its medium armor..   The page above also shows heavy armor... 

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  • FappuccinoFappuccino ErgensPosts: 159Member

    Jump to 14 seconds in to look at the armour. Or at least...in the char creation screen.

     

  • Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Den HelderPosts: 9,064Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Fappuccino

    Jump to 14 seconds in to look at the armour. Or at least...in the char creation screen.

     

    Seems a confirmation of the OPs statement... Breastplates dont seem to have a fysical component.... Which obviously hands, shoulders and boots do have...

     

    Its not a game killer for me, but it is a pitty

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  • FappuccinoFappuccino ErgensPosts: 159Member
    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
    Originally posted by Fappuccino

    Jump to 14 seconds in to look at the armour. Or at least...in the char creation screen.

     

    Seems a confirmation of the OPs statement... Breastplates dont seem to have a fysical component.... Which obviously hands, shoulders and boots do have...

     

    Its not a game killer for me, but it is a pitty

    As long as the gameplay is tight, it shouldn't matter much. Unless one is strict about armour behaviour. I.e. dancing/moving around and having plate armour move like rubber.

  • Nemesis7884Nemesis7884 ZurichPosts: 879Member Uncommon

    it just doesnt look "next gen" to me or 2014 material...it looks like 2008 at best. Which is a real shame cause at least the art style looks a lot better than those weird first tries at armors and the environment really looks beautiful imo they nailed it with that!

    but the armors...meh - they should really hire the age of conan guy, he is a genius.

    besides the armor it seems while the environment is as said stunning, everything placed in it looks rather 10 years old...for example props. In one video they showed a basket with apples, and the apples were basically a flat surface with apples painted on it  - i mean cmon, thats not 2014...

  • shalissarshalissar Pohjois-PohjanmaaPosts: 294Member Uncommon
    It probably has something to do with making sure that ESO's rvr doesn't end up being like an AoC guild siege.
  • Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Den HelderPosts: 9,064Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Nemesis7884

    it just doesnt look "next gen" to me or 2014 material...it looks like 2008 at best. Which is a real shame cause at least the art style looks a lot better than those weird first tries at armors and the environment really looks beautiful imo they nailed it with that!

    but the armors...meh - they should really hire the age of conan guy, he is a genius.

    besides the armor it seems while the environment is as said stunning, everything placed in it looks rather 10 years old...for example props. In one video they showed a basket with apples, and the apples were basically a flat surface with apples painted on it  - i mean cmon, thats not 2014...

    Graphics and mass Pvp events dont go hand in hand.... Its allways a trade off...  

    Fps shooters have it easy becuase they have much less different armors and much less people on screeen..

     

    the game has to run fluently on older hardware too...  

     

    There is a reason that mass PvP in Age of Conan is allmost unplayable...  And other developers have learned from this... So far only GW2 has had an engine to support fluent mass PvP..

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  • Ramonski7Ramonski7 Aurora, ILPosts: 2,656Member Uncommon
    Meh whatever....as long as it plays well and they don't look like 2007 or earlier I'm good. I mean I like pretty armor and all but the last thing I'm going to be doing is the equivalent of sharing in the mirror while I'm trying to beat back the enemy faction.

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  • AnthurAnthur StolbergPosts: 686Member Uncommon

    Hmm, SWTOR had/has terrible armor graphics. Hopefully TESO will do better than that. I have not been part of any TESO beta but looking at some screenshots my impression so far is

    AoC >> TESO > SWTOR

    regarding armor graphics. But who knows whether those screenshots are not faked. Let's hope for the best. Won't buy TESO wihout an open beta anyway.

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  • Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Den HelderPosts: 9,064Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Anthur

    Hmm, SWTOR had/has terrible armor graphics. Hopefully TESO will do better than that. I have not been part of any TESO beta but looking at some screenshots my impression so far is

    AoC >> TESO > SWTOR

    regarding armor graphics. But who knows whether those screenshots are not faked. Let's hope for the best. Won't buy TESO wihout an open beta anyway.

    http://www.gamedynamo.com/images/galleries/photo/2293/the-elder-scrolls-online-screenshots-6.jpg

    Swtor armor can be blamed on the dreadfull hero engine..

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  • Nemesis7884Nemesis7884 ZurichPosts: 879Member Uncommon
    dont they also use hero engine for eso?
  • FappuccinoFappuccino ErgensPosts: 159Member
    Originally posted by Nemesis7884
    dont they also use hero engine for eso?

    They did. For "prototyping". So they say.

    http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/05/25/why-the-elder-scrolls-online-isn-39-t-using-heroengine.aspx

  • Ramonski7Ramonski7 Aurora, ILPosts: 2,656Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Fappuccino
    Originally posted by Nemesis7884
    dont they also use hero engine for eso?

    They did. For "prototyping". So they say.

    http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/05/25/why-the-elder-scrolls-online-isn-39-t-using-heroengine.aspx

    Yeah I was just about to point that out:

    You licensed HeroEngine a long time ago. What role did the Hero Engine play in the development of ESO?

    We started ZeniMax Online from scratch, with no employees and no technology. We had to build everything ourselves. It takes a long time to write game engines, especially MMO engines, which are inherently more complicated than typical single-player ones. So, we decided to license the HeroEngine to give us a headstart. It was a useful tool for us to use to prototype areas and game design concepts, and it provided us the ability to get art into the game that was visible, so we could work on the game’s art style. Our plan is for ESO to be a world class MMO, with the most advanced social features found in any MMO to date – so while we were prototyping the game on HeroEngine, we were simultaneously developing our own client, server, and messaging layer that were specifically designed with ESO in mind. Think of HeroEngine as a whiteboard for us – a great tool to get some ideas in the game and start looking at them while the production engine was in development.

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  • BetaguyBetaguy Halifax, NSPosts: 2,590Member
    Not a game breaker for me, I understand why they chosen to do this and the reason why will be for the better in large scale PvP which is going to be the games bread N butter.

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  • XarkoXarko Hradec KralovePosts: 394Member Uncommon

    It might also be a trade off for their character creator. It offers many kinds of body shapes, especially in torso part, from fat to arnold. I image it would cause many visual glitches.

    Thats not an excuse tho. Ive hated bodypaint armors all my time in wow and Im gonna hate it even more in any "next-gen" game.

  • RampajiRampaji copenhagnePosts: 50Member

    IMHO,

    This armor looks pretty decent. :)

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  • asrlohzasrlohz UddevallaPosts: 645Member
    Originally posted by Nemesis7884

    Am i the only one who is a bit bothered by that? Im no graphics nazi but a lot of the armor looks simply like they have taken the naked character model and painted the armor over it - that might be an easy way to do it but it looks quite cheap. Even mmo's muuuuuch older didnt do it to that extend - for example age of conan which i still consider to have some of the best mmo armor i have ever seen...it looks a bit cheap no?

    At least they could make the armor bulk a bit bigger, it just looks weird that a character is wearing a heavy armor that snugs his skin tightly like a wet suit?!

     

    example: http://tamrielfoundry.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/dunmer-sentry.jpg

    example from age of conan in contrast: http://th08.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2011/174/3/9/tamarian_tigers_faction_armour_by_tulx-d3jrm85.jpg

    http://vnmedia.ign.com/screenshots/conan/54672795.jpg

    http://elmundotech.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/tier3_barbarian_armor.jpg

    the difference might be subtle but having different "layers" makes armor looks so much better and so much more realistic. Sometimes it also seems through smart use of "open" and closed armor spaces age of conan just much better creates the "illusion of layers" and depth...either way, armor in eso looks kinda meh and altough we do have different art styles you can easily recognise that the basic armor models come from the same artists which imo is bad - they should hire the age of conan guys.

    I'm alright with how the armour looks, some lack depth and that's a bit of a disappointment but heavy armour is for the most part rather well made. But yes, AoC has a lot more detail to theirs.

     

    Different companies prioritize different things I suppose.

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  • asrlohzasrlohz UddevallaPosts: 645Member
    Originally posted by Xarko

    It might also be a trade off for their character creator. It offers many kinds of body shapes, especially in torso part, from fat to arnold. I image it would cause many visual glitches.

    Thats not an excuse tho. Ive hated bodypaint armors all my time in wow and Im gonna hate it even more in any "next-gen" game.

    Very true, actually.

     

    I think they should have gone with less size and width customization and try to just make the races unique in their build. That said, I think it's nice that not every nord will have to be a massive hunk of muscle and brawn. But on the other hand, whom has ever heard of a fat Argonian?

     

    But, I think that the 'Bodypaint' armour in TES:O isn't too bad. And the term 'next-gen' is really nothing you should be using when it comes to MMOs. None of them are next-gen because of the massive development span. But yes, I wouldn't miss the ridding of slim-fit armours.

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  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAPosts: 18,452Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by shalissar
    It probably has something to do with making sure that ESO's rvr doesn't end up being like an AoC guild siege.

    That's pretty much it. The metal armor "does" stretch. Funny enough, you also see this "issue" in the Dragon Age games.

    However, I believe it's because creating separate pieces that move independently of the others as opposed to being a texture that moves and stretches with body would add be a bit too much when you have many players together in the RvR part of the game.

    This was actually discussed a while back and this was also the conclusion of that discussion.

  • RhoklawRhoklaw Ft. Bliss, TXPosts: 3,476Member Uncommon
    But I want my cake and I want to eat it too!

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  • ste2000ste2000 londonPosts: 4,698Member Uncommon

    I have to be honest.

    I criticised ESO for many things but I like the art style.

    It's a mix of Skyrim and Darkfall (the original one) particularly the Orcs.

    Some piece of Armor are better than others but overall I think Zenimax did a good job.

     

    Comparing ESO graphics with AoC is not an indication of bad design............AoC Armor Art Style is the best bar none.

  • Nemesis7884Nemesis7884 ZurichPosts: 879Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by ste2000

    I have to be honest.

    I criticised ESO for many things but I like the art style.

    It's a mix of Skyrim and Darkfall (the original one) particularly the Orcs.

    Some piece of Armor are better than others but overall I think Zenimax did a good job.

     

    Comparing ESO graphics with AoC is not an indication of bad design............AoC Armor Art Style is the best bar none.

    ...daggerfall...

  • greenreengreenreen Punchoo, AKPosts: 2,101Member Uncommon

    Most of the time I'm zoomed out of characters and unable to see such detail. If it is better performance for the game being multiplayer - I'm fine with non life-like graphics in games. I never seem to care as much about animation as other people either.

    For crying out loud, I've played text games, it could be much worse is how I view it most days. The only real turnoff I have is bright colors as the totality. I can be a dreary person so I want the muted colors around me. The pictures in this room are sort of dreary. There's one with birds over what looks like a swamp and overgrown trees. The others are prints from J.W. Waterhouse. Example http://www.jwwaterhouse.com/view.cfm?recordid=28

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