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Originally posted by kalosjakar please tell me you are kidding. yo papa gino's that pizza i ate 2 years ago, yeah.... it wasn't that great, can I have my money back?
Don't mock that statement because YES there are actually laws that protect customers up to several years later depending where you live.
A perfect example would be if an employee laced the pizza with some kind of poison that causes long term damage.If 2 years later they traced all dead people as having ate from that pizza joint and entered the Hospitol that same day,then they would be sued for a lot of money.
Also just because some publisher has a lawyer write up a legal document,does not make it LAW.The law will ALWAYS preside over that digital agreement you enter into.They also have absolutely no right to change the game any way they see fit just because they say so,they still have to preside under the law,no exceptions.
A good argument would have to prove they mislead you into how much you would spend.Example the common topic on PAY TO WIN gaming.If they mislead you by having you spend say 20 bucks a month to compete,then after investing thousands all of a sudden they force you to spend 500 a month ,that would be grounds for a lawsuit and full recovery and maybe more.
To understand it better you would need to think "monopoly" or price fixing.You might think a publisher has the right to charge whatever they want but they do not,it is for customer protection.A GIANT gaming operation known as HASBRO was sued by the USA government for just those reasons and of course they admitted guilt but got away easy with a settlement.
point being ,yes the law is quite inept at protecting customers but there is still law out there with a good lawyer IF of course you can prove they broke the law.
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Originally posted by Wizardry Originally posted by kalosjakar please tell me you are kidding. yo papa gino's that pizza i ate 2 years ago, yeah.... it wasn't that great, can I have my money back?
Yes it is true, but there is a little problem when you accept the Eula (which is a binding contract btw)
You are actually accepting that "the game experience might change at any time" something that is clearly stated in the first few lines of the Eula.
Once you accept that term, you cannot complain that the game is not the same you used to play, because you clearly accepted to play it even though you were warned in advance.
If you notice, every time a Publisher updates the game there is generally a new Eula to sign.
This is an acknowledgement that the game has changed from the previous version and might play differently, so a new Eula is required to make sure that the user is fine playing a game that might be different from the version he played before and that could be different in the future..
Every major update requires a new Eula to accept, that's to avoid that a customer that signed an Eula 4 years ago complains 4 years after that the game has changed several times and it is not the game that has signed for.
So every time a game get updated the publisher submits a new Eula to sign, so to cover those situations.
Of course if blizzard turned WoW into Word Office then the OP might stand a chance............. but that's not the case.
WoW is still a game, it is still a MMO.............. it is just slightly different than the original version, it is not a different product.
You have no hope whatsoever of recourse against Blizzard. You will just have to...
Heh, normally I would agree, but, if you're in the US, maybe you can pull it off. I've read so many cases where people have successfully won their suit when they and the Judge should be slapped upside the head.
If someone can sue McDonalds because they spilled coffee on themselves, then you sir just have to show up to court and say, your Honour, I'm here, and unhappy, I understand that in this country all someone has to do is look at me wrong and I can sue them.
Originally posted by sludgebeard I mean think about it, I played up till WOTLK, the game was drastically different back then, more grouping and open world pvp just to name a couple things. I spent half a grand on this game, and I cant even install it and play for a minute because of how poorly designed and away from its original content the game has become. So my question is, do I have any right to legal recourse against Blizzard? Or am I just forced to play a game that is drastically different than what I agreed to originally?
Seriously, why do people who play mmos have this above type of ridiculous concept where your money spent DON'T depreciate with time and e-products are NOT real products??
Hell if you bought a pair of designer shoes for $500 5 years ago you WOULD NOT ask for money back just because the brand changed the fashion style...
Or you WOULD NOT ask for money back on the food you ate just because they changed the favour...
You have already spent your money's worth and got your value for it. Get over it.
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Originally posted by c0796 Heh, normally I would agree, but, if you're in the US, maybe you can pull it off. I've read so many cases where people have successfully won their suit when they and the Judge should be slapped upside the head. If someone can sue McDonalds because they spilled coffee on themselves, then you sir just have to show up to court and say, your Honour, I'm here, and unhappy, I understand that in this country all someone has to do is look at me wrong and I can sue them.
Super-heated coffee sold in a drive-thru. This is one of those headlines that sound ridiculous, but the content of the story actually makes a lot of sense.
The OP's comment however; well, it isn't really worthy of response.
BTW....... I just love the title.
It has to be the only thread where the title contains more information than the body itself............. you can't miss it can you?
Great job OP, this is going to be an epic thread.
Originally posted by godpuppet Did anyone sue SoE over the pre/post CU Patch? Dont think so. Theres your answer sir
I believe people did sue SOE over the expansion on false advertising prior to the NGE patch. As the expansion contained tons of changes that were never discussed or told to the consumer which completely changed the nature of the game. The end result of that was SOE offered a full refund to anyone that purchased the expansion.
In the present case there is no allegations of false advertising, or fraud or trying to hide anything tp get someone to purchase the game or subscribe like in the case of SOE. Here the OP is paying Blizzard per month to play a game each month not for future months. if the game changes and he does not like the future design, direction or present content he can cancel his subscription. The point here is he was paying Blizzard money not for future content but for present content. Now if he had a long term 1 year subscription and Blizzard drastically changed their design he might have an argument. but that's not the case here. Even then that might be considered the risk of purchasing a cheaper long term subscription. The simple answer here is the OP got value for what he paid for and if at anytime he was not satisfied with the product he could have cancelled. They owe him nothing.
If you're gonna be stupid, you gotta be tough.
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I don't think the op has any kind of case. But FWIW Eulas are not legally binding. If what they say in the EULA violates some law(s) its not going to hold up in court. For example if Blizzard suddenly decided to double your monthly fee because they slipped in a little clause in the EULA saying 'monthly fees might double without notice.' it might not hold up in court - because you have to give notice to double your fees. You see where I am going with this..
But no. I don't think there is anything you can do. My advice. Quit for a while and play other MMOs. WoW does alot of things right and you will likely realize the compromises they make aren't so bad..
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The thrill and excitement for the future posts like these, now let us sing a song, and look forward to everything beyond.
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Here is what you do.
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Regardless of you having a case or not I'm just curious about the stuff I highlighted in red. Who is exactly forcing you to play anything?
No required quests! And if I decide I want to be an assassin-cartographer-dancer-pastry chef who lives only to stalk and kill interior decorators, then that's who I want to be, even if it takes me four years to max all the skills and everyone else thinks I'm freaking nuts. -Madimorga-
Really? You really are giving this serious consideration.
Right, firstly the answer is no, check the TOS, you know, that thing you 'tick' when you first logged on... and with every expansion...and with every major patch. You know, that thing... you didn't read. In addition, if you are not enjoying the game and its direction. Don't play, don't waste more money on it. It is that simple.
You bought the game and played it, you pay a sub to rent time to play it. In honest sub based mmo's are a huge saving for a gamer. For a low cost you get many many hours of entertainment from it.
also not sure what you mean by 'forced' to play the game. Did Blizzard come round to your house, sit on your knee and squeezed a quiche into your gaping maw as they teased your niplets coaxing you to play more of their game? No, they did not.
I suppose you could be forgiven though, I mean its not like World of Warcraft is a big game or anything. I mean its not like EVERY online and offline gaming associated website and magazine has excessive coverage of every expansion and patch of the content coming out, giving you the consumer to make an informed decision whether to continue your subscription or not.
Originally posted by Zapzap Originally posted by godpuppet Did anyone sue SoE over the pre/post CU Patch? Dont think so. Theres your answer sir
I don't believe SOE were SUEd. The refund was a good will gesture. If you wanted every penny ever spent on swg back you could have gotten it.
What does the OP want? Money back? prevention of this type of change in product?
What is the OP claiming? unreasonable changes? Breach of trust?
The courts decide these types of things. If there is no recourse through the law, there is always consumer awareness campaigns. Free speech is the best tool.
Do I care anymore than a company cares if I get sued? nope.
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