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Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Den HelderPosts: 9,065Member Uncommon

they got the best mounted combat system in MMORPG land

They have the best legendary mount system in the world with fully customisable mounts

They got legendary weapons that you can level and customize

They got the greatest and largest dungeon of them all

They have some of the hardest dungeons

They have the best stories

They have a dark deep fantasy world... withouth all the flash and bang.

They have musical instruments that playrs actually can play

They have pipes you can actually smoke

They have the shire

They have big eppic PvE battles

They have Players vs Monster PvP play

 

And there are many things ik keep forgetting about...  Its the best MMO ever..  if you dont mind linear stories..

Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

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  • ThillianThillian BratislavaPosts: 3,143Member Uncommon

    Legendary items is easily the worst AA system out there. It relies on random selection of legacies upon creation. You can customize it further through the shop if you dare to pay 200-1000 Turbine Points for each legacy switch/upgrade (100 TP = 1$) In the end you might spend thousands of TPs just for your legendary weapon, which becomes obsolete every year after each expansion. Legendary items serve to fill Turbine's pockets, since top players will shamelessly purchase all the upgrades to get tier 8 legacies they want, consuming at least 5000 TPs in the end.

    They definetly do not have the largest and/or greatest dungeons. Dungeons in LOTRO are extremely linear (excluding initial dungeons, like Urugarth or Carn Dum but those are just a few). Skirmishes are usually defend a spot or progress through some randomized events in a limited area. And they are definetly not the hardest, LOTRO is easy MODE, even on hardest difficulties it's nothing special.

    Big epic PvE battles is quite a joke. The Helm's Deep so-called Epic Battles is just another form of a skirmish.

    Dark Deep fantasy world. I agree that Tolkien has created a fantastic and deep world, however, it's definetly not dark, and Turbine's incorporation of the lore into the game is everything but deep.

    I agree, mounted combat is fairly good, except of the ridiculous lag while riding, since the engine isn't capable of handling certain high movement speeds, and you will rubberband often, which has nothing to do with the connection and it's the number one target of criticism on the official forums (right along with the ridiculous legendary item system).

     

     

     

    REALITY CHECK

  • TohcixTohcix SonderborgPosts: 13Member

    Mounted combat in LOTRO is.... bad.. it is really bad.. .i want to use the word Shitty.

     

    For ranged char, mounted combat may be good, but for melee char, it is so awsomly bad, it's hard to describe.

    For a guardian char.... dont even start on it.

    You can kill the mobs, but it's just so boring and takes so much time, that it's a pain to do.

     

    The rest seems ok.

     

    About legendary weapons, unless you are part of a raiding guild and you can get the first age stuff, it aint that much to glorify, tbh.

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  • piquetpiquet OdensePosts: 202Member
    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

    They got the greatest and largest dungeon of them all

    Have not played this game that much, but which dungeon are you referring to?

     

  • VincerKadenVincerKaden Edison, NJPosts: 457Member

    I haven't experienced much (if any) lag while in mounted combat. I'd like to see that combat system become available sooner so it could drive new players to try this game out.

     

    I agree that the legendary weapons could become a cash sink to get the legacies desired. As a lifetime subscriber, I'm able to just accumulate my monthly TP allowance and get what I want without real world money. That's an exception rather than the norm. It won't happen, but I'd like to see a crafting system be added that lets people build their weapon mods.

     

    Helm's Deep is more than a skirmish, but you can see similarities without being wrong. I find that there is much more to do in a Helm's Deep battle: decisions to make, skills to acquire, etc. My gripe is that to "skill up", it seems to require many runs of the same content, over and over. By the time I get to the skills I want, I'm going to be sick of these battles.

     

    As MMOs go, I still enjoy this one more than almost all others.

     

    EDIT: Response to the poster above who said "About legendary weapons, unless you are part of a raiding guild and you can get the first age stuff, it aint that much to glorify, tbh."

     

    Probably true. But I'd like to stress that if you are not part of a raiding guild, you don't need first age weapons. Second age is even more than enough for just about every non-raid encounter.

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  • mindw0rkmindw0rk St-petersburgPosts: 1,351Member
    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

    They have the best stories

    Na. TSW has those

  • ThillianThillian BratislavaPosts: 3,143Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by mindw0rk
    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

    They have the best stories

    Na. TSW has those

    By far.

    The quality of writing between those two games is incomparable. It's like comparing Fellini with Shyamalan or Tarkowski with Michael Bay.

    REALITY CHECK

  • TohcixTohcix SonderborgPosts: 13Member
    Originally posted by Vayman

     

    EDIT: Response to the poster above who said "About legendary weapons, unless you are part of a raiding guild and you can get the first age stuff, it aint that much to glorify, tbh."

     

    Probably true. But I'd like to stress that if you are not part of a raiding guild, you don't need first age weapons. Second age is even more than enough for just about every non-raid encounter.

     

    That is true, a non raider dont need first age weapons, but as OP just said the legendary weapons were Awesoooome, I just had to write my opinion.

    3rd age weapons are good, better then the non 3rd age (if you get your weapons, class item setup right) but it aint that special.

    2nd, and 1st age weapons have more points to use, and i think can have more "ability's" on it. Cant remember the exact name, sorry.

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  • tom_goretom_gore TamperePosts: 1,796Member Uncommon

    If lotro had guild vs. guild PvP in the open world it would be (even more) the roleplayer heaven we've all missed since UO.

     

  • Po_ggPo_gg Twigwarren, WestfarthingPosts: 2,717Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

    They have the shire

    Oh my... I love LotRO, still playing it regularly, but I think there are a few exaggerations here :) (many was noted already in the comments as I see)

     

    best mounted combat system  - Yep, it's fun, but on the other hand it has its issues... Auto Assault had the best mounted combat. Just kidding :)  but really, AA was great.

    legendary weapons, legendary mount  - LI system is the part I'd erase from the game the first time if I had the chance. It's only a huge grindfest without any reason. The idea was nice back then at Moria, the introduction and getting your first 3rd ager is still cool, but the rest is just a boring and tedious grind.

    the greatest and largest dungeons, some of the hardest dungeons  - maybe the largest (but other games have big instances as well). I'm on the fence with hardest, and as for greatest... nope. AoC has the coolest and most fun dungeons, with TSW on the second. FC is great with dungeons. But yep, GA is amazing, CD / Uru and Helegrod likewise.

    best stories  - As others said, TSW is (at least) on par with LotRO, if not better in writing. LotRO's book quest line is cool, the idea of supporting the Fellowship in the background is great. But TSW had Ragnar. He's the best.

    Players vs Monster PvP play  - I agree, at launch it was great (the only pvp I've played in mmo's for more than a few minutes :) ) But after a few months folks get bored with it, and all what's left in there was the usual lowlife pvp crowd, with every great strategic aspect of it was bashed into the ground and only the "kill'em all" mentality lived on. I agree, PvMP was awesome until it lasted.

     

    Agree with the rest, the .abc system is awesome, growing and smoking your own pipeweed is fun, and, before all else, the Shire :)  the Shire alone justifies any amount of time /played  in LotRO. At least for me.

  • SengellSengell FreeportPosts: 29Member

    Sadly I have no clue what Lotro has to offer for real since it has such a nice pay to play system.

    But all that didn't matter anymore since you could buy endgame gear in the auction house. Not sure wether it's still the case but any game which offers best loot for sale is not worth the effort in my eyes.

  • free2playfree2play Toronto, ONPosts: 1,868Member Uncommon

    One of the biggest assets of the game is the world Map by far.

     

    Explore it again, like you hadn't been there before. From the many ruins of Evindim to Forochel, Giant strong holds in Mist Mountain to spider caves in the Trollshaws. Sarnur to Moria, Goldenwood to Mirkwood. The size of this world is unmatched.

     

    tip: Do it on foot.

     

    One of the things about most Online games, you never have a reason to go back to the beginning.  Each time you do that here, open your deeds log, see all the things you never completed. Some exploration, some slayer. All the quests now turned gray that you never took. You will be surprised how much you missed.

  • curacura WarsawPosts: 950Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Thillian
    Originally posted by mindw0rk
    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

    They have the best stories

    Na. TSW has those

    By far.

    The quality of writing between those two games is incomparable. It's like comparing Fellini with Shyamalan or Tarkowski with Michael Bay.

    I prefer LOTROs. TSW made me feel like i was watching boring tv series. I can compare books and authors but generally mmo writing is so bad its hard to say which one is worse. So i think its more about personal preferences (different world, different mood) than objective quality of writing.

  • VincerKadenVincerKaden Edison, NJPosts: 457Member

    For story, it might be in how it's presented between LOTRO and TSW. The Secret World - in my opinion - presents the story better. Cut scenes, voice acting, interesting camera angles and more. LOTRO's stories are mostly just reading through some paragraphs and the occasional simple NPC emotes and talking.

     

    That said, I find that LOTRO stories develop the NPCs, from character relationships to back stories and even death. It's linear, sure, but it's a story development. When set against the backdrop of the interesting places in Middle Earth, it's actually pretty well done despite the dated appearance of the graphics. TSW does this to a degree, too.

     

    All things being equal, it's more enjoyable to watch the TSW scenes than LOTRO, but from just a "story" point of view, I don't think one is objectively superior over the other.

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  • ShorunShorun ViennaPosts: 248Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

    they got the best mounted combat system in MMORPG land

    Agree.

    They have the best legendary mount system in the world with fully customisable mounts

    Maybe, but I don't think a lot of people care.

    They got legendary weapons that you can level and customize

    You can customize weapons in nearly any MMORPG.

    They got the greatest and largest dungeon of them all

    Nope. Everquest 1 and 2. WoW also had great dungeons in Vanilla and BC.

    They have some of the hardest dungeons

    Nope. Everquest 1 and 2.

    They have the best stories

    Agreed. Nothing beats Tolkien (or Tolkien's world).

    They have a dark deep fantasy world... withouth all the flash and bang.

    Agreed. I dig that too.

    They have musical instruments that playrs actually can play

    You mean they've got minigames? A lot of MMO's have minigames.

    They have pipes you can actually smoke

    Yeah...is it a mentionable feature, though?

    They have the shire

    They have great area design, yes.

    They have big eppic PvE battles

    A lot of games do.

    They have Players vs Monster PvP play

     It's unique, I'll give you that. But unpopular and hated for a reason.

    And there are many things ik keep forgetting about...  Its the best MMO ever..  if you dont mind linear stories..

    Just my opinion ;)

  • rodingorodingo Posts: 2,346Member Uncommon

    Things to add to the list:

    - Poor animations:  Characters don't have any sense of weight.  The walk and run cycles look like they are made by first year animation students.

    - Poor art design:  It's a combination of their low poly count models and just over all asthetics.  The environments are nice, but their characters just look kind of,.....off?  I just really can't stand their armor design.  No I don't want WoW's magical football shoulder pads either.

     

    Don't get me wrong.  Lotro is a solid PVE MMO with plenty of mechanics and systems to rival most if not all other MMOs.  That being said, the one thing that has always bugged me about the game is how wrong my characters looked and moved.  The clothing tabs help to give you a custom look, but I would rather show off what I'm actually wearing and not be afraid that I would be mistaken for a clown or circus juggler.

    "If I offended you, you needed it" -Corey Taylor

  • Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Den HelderPosts: 9,065Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Shorun
    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

    they got the best mounted combat system in MMORPG land

    Agree.

    They have the best legendary mount system in the world with fully customisable mounts

    Maybe, but I don't think a lot of people care.

    They got legendary weapons that you can level and customize

    You can customize weapons in nearly any MMORPG.

    do i need to explain the difference between legendaries ..  And simple stats moving around?

    They got the greatest and largest dungeon of them all

    Nope. Everquest 1 and 2. WoW also had great dungeons in Vanilla and BC.

    i am talking about Moria, an open dungeon of uncomprable size

    They have some of the hardest dungeons

    Nope. Everquest 1 and 2.

    try them on hard and on level

    They have the best stories

    Agreed. Nothing beats Tolkien (or Tolkien's world).

    They have a dark deep fantasy world... withouth all the flash and bang.

    Agreed. I dig that too.

    They have musical instruments that playrs actually can play

    You mean they've got minigames? A lot of MMO's have minigames.

    its not a mini game, its a socialising tool

    They have pipes you can actually smoke

    Yeah...is it a mentionable feature, though?

    They have the shire

    They have great area design, yes.

    They have big eppic PvE battles

    A lot of games do.

    big battles are a very unique feature

    They have Players vs Monster PvP play

     It's unique, I'll give you that. But unpopular and hated for a reason.

    And there are many things ik keep forgetting about...  Its the best MMO ever..  if you dont mind linear stories..

    Just my opinion ;)

     

    Just to mark my opinion

    Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

  • Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Den HelderPosts: 9,065Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by rodingo

    Things to add to the list:

    - Poor animations:  Characters don't have any sense of weight.  The walk and run cycles look like they are made by first year animation students.

    - Poor art design:  It's a combination of their low poly count models and just over all asthetics.  The environments are nice, but their characters just look kind of,.....off?  I just really can't stand their armor design.  No I don't want WoW's magical football shoulder pads either.

     

    Don't get me wrong.  Lotro is a solid PVE MMO with plenty of mechanics and systems to rival most if not all other MMOs.  That being said, the one thing that has always bugged me about the game is how wrong my characters looked and moved.  The clothing tabs help to give you a custom look, but I would rather show off what I'm actually wearing and not be afraid that I would be mistaken for a clown or circus juggler.

    I totally disagree, annimations have vastly improved since initial release... And espescially my warden annimations or very immersive and have a natural flow....

     

    and their art style is the single one thing that makes the game feel timeless...  Great choice, immersive and naturally flowing environments and gear...  Poly count has nothing to do with art style... For a 7 year old game the graphics still shine to me...  Just take a ride on horseback trough rohan ....

    Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

  • Po_ggPo_gg Twigwarren, WestfarthingPosts: 2,717Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Shorun
    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

    They have musical instruments that playrs actually can play

    You mean they've got minigames? A lot of MMO's have minigames.

    They have pipes you can actually smoke

    Yeah...is it a mentionable feature, though?

    .abc system is far from a minigame, it's a music making "modul" inside the game which has no use besides entertaining other players and roleplay. And in this meaning it's unique (yep, you can do music in ArcheAge as well, but I bet most of the players will use it for the buffs they get from it. In LotRO it's only for the fun).

    Last time I was at the Yule concert of the Shades, trust me, you can't entertain this many folks (http://postimg.org/image/t9dfu34ax/) for 2 hours with some lame minigame :)

     

    Smoking (is a bad habit in reality...) indeed is a "mentionable feature". Pipeweeds have a significant purpose in Tolkien's work as well, in the game it's only cosmetic (*), but still is a part of your character. My hobbits are usually smoking Old Toby or Galenas (I love the ship). And you'd be surprised how well the pipeweed is selling on AH.

    Here's an old video about the early weeds, since then there are many more in-game, but I stick to my Sweet Galenas :) (at around 3:10)   http://youtu.be/v9p5TwcEy2w

    * = I don't play LM often, I think they use one of the pipeweeds for rezzing the fallen fellows.

  • Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Den HelderPosts: 9,065Member Uncommon
    And another great thing, the average population age on my server would be around 40....  

    Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

  • Blaze007Blaze007 OlsztynPosts: 188Member

    One thing Lotro has is a pricing out of donkeys a** - I quit the game around 2010-2011 and coming back right now would cost me - guess how much? 10$ for Rise of Isengard expansion + 19 $ for Riders of Rohan expansion another 19$ for Helm's Deep (and that with 50% Christmas discount!) +15$ for monthly sub. About 65$ to come back to 6 years old game to do more "kill 20 wolfs" type quest. But this time on a horseback! Not bad for a F2P game :))))

  • DeadlyneDeadlyne Rochester, NYPosts: 231Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

    they got the best mounted combat system in MMORPG land

    Purely opinion.  There are other MMOs who's main focus is mounted combat.

    They have the best legendary mount system in the world with fully customisable mounts

    Also opinion.  The same MMO's whos focus is mounted combat have fully customizable mounts.

    They got legendary weapons that you can level and customize

    Defiance has this as well.

    They got the greatest and largest dungeon of them all

    Size doesn't always equal quality.

    They have some of the hardest dungeons

    This is so very debatable.

    They have the best stories

    I didn't find their stories all that interesting compared to many other mmo's that I've played

    They have a dark deep fantasy world... withouth all the flash and bang.

    Definitely not the only ones with this.

    They have musical instruments that playrs actually can play 

    This can be done in RaiderZ, Age of Wulin [mod edit]

    They have pipes you can actually smoke

    They have the shire

    They have big eppic PvE battles

    Tons of games have these

    They have Players vs Monster PvP play

    Everquest had this at one time as well,  all in all neither version is fun after the initial newness wears off.

     

    And there are many things ik keep forgetting about...  Its the best MMO ever..  if you dont mind linear stories..

     

    Normally I don't respond in this fashion but saying that "only" LOTRO has these features is blatantly untrue.  As well as the majority of you list being purely subjective.  I feel it's best to let the facts speak for themselves.

    Just to question the philosophy. Army of Socrates.

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  • Po_ggPo_gg Twigwarren, WestfarthingPosts: 2,717Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Vallador

    I quit the game around 2010-2011 and coming back right now would cost me - guess how much? 10$ for Rise of Isengard expansion + 19 $ for Riders of Rohan expansion another 19$ for Helm's Deep (and that with 50% Christmas discount!) +15$ for monthly sub. About 65$ to come back to 6 years old game to do more "kill 20 wolfs" type quest. But this time on a horseback! Not bad for a F2P game :))))

    Lol, guess what if you didn't quit - $30 for the RoI base pack, $40 for RoR (or even $70 if you wanted the Legendary pack with the 6th bag and the exclusive session play), and $40 for the base pack of HD...

    See how much you kept in the wallet with quitting? ;)

  • Blaze007Blaze007 OlsztynPosts: 188Member


    Originally posted by Po_gg

    Originally posted by Vallador I quit the game around 2010-2011 and coming back right now would cost me - guess how much? 10$ for Rise of Isengard expansion + 19 $ for Riders of Rohan expansion another 19$ for Helm's Deep (and that with 50% Christmas discount!) +15$ for monthly sub. About 65$ to come back to 6 years old game to do more "kill 20 wolfs" type quest. But this time on a horseback! Not bad for a F2P game :))))
    Lol, guess what if you didn't quit - $30 for the RoI base pack, $40 for RoR (or even $70 if you wanted the Legendary pack with the 6th bag and the exclusive session play), and $40 for the base pack of HD... See how much you kept in the wallet with quitting? ;)
    Yup, that is why 21 out of 23 ppl in my guild who keep playing LOTRO are lifetimers. It does no make any sens to anybody else really, not for that money.
  • Po_ggPo_gg Twigwarren, WestfarthingPosts: 2,717Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Vallador

     

    It does no make any sens to anybody else really, not for that money.

    I can only wish for that, but I've missed both windows... so I had to buy those packs (the middle one for RoI and the legendary for RoR), while the lucky lifers got them for free.

  • ScorchienScorchien Hatboro, PAPosts: 1,342Member Uncommon
    Just for the record .. Moria is in the Guiness book as the biggest undergorund Dungeon...
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